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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Well people said I was insane for saying both Justin Gilbert and Jadaveon Clowney were epic busts, so I'm used to it.

I jut think Winston has an immense feel for the game, and the physical tools to go with it.


I watched Cam Newton last night throw everything like a frozen rope, as opposed to a guy like Luck or Winston who understands touch and angle of passes.

Newton can't throw a fade pattern to save his life, he throws it the same way as he does every other pass.

Also Winston is at his best under pressure

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Clearly you miss all of Luck's stupid throws

This year Winston has to force balls because FSU simply doesn't have the talent they did last year

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Clearly you miss all of Luck's stupid throws

This year Winston has to force balls because FSU simply doesn't have the talent they did last year

Luck does make a lot of INTs, but Indy puts a lot on his shoulders.

Really splitting hairs IMO, absent of Winston's off-field mistakes, they are both phenomenal QBs who have the chance to be elite.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think alot has to play out before we can rule out Winston.

1. Can he be a good citizen until draft night.
2. What pick is used to draft him.
3. How Teddy progresses through the balance of the season.
4. Other needs.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think alot has to play out before we can rule out Winston.

1. Can he be a good citizen until draft night.
2. What pick is used to draft him.
3. How Teddy progresses through the balance of the season.
4. Other needs.

other needs is not an issue, IMO

if he is a stud you take him, regardless of other needs


the other issues do come into play

JMO

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Clearly you miss all of Luck's stupid throws

This year Winston has to force balls because FSU simply doesn't have the talent they did last year

Luck does make a lot of INTs, but Indy puts a lot on his shoulders.

Really splitting hairs IMO, absent of Winston's off-field mistakes, they are both phenomenal QBs who have the chance to be elite.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Clearly you miss all of Luck's stupid throws

This year Winston has to force balls because FSU simply doesn't have the talent they did last year

Luck does make a lot of INTs, but Indy puts a lot on his shoulders.

Really splitting hairs IMO, absent of Winston's off-field mistakes, they are both phenomenal QBs who have the chance to be elite.

Off-field mistakes understates the issue. He has displayed horrible judgement and a stunning lack of self-control, and that doesn't even take into account the possible rape. I would stay away from him at the most important position on any NFL team.

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Clearly you miss all of Luck's stupid throws

This year Winston has to force balls because FSU simply doesn't have the talent they did last year

Luck does make a lot of INTs, but Indy puts a lot on his shoulders.

Really splitting hairs IMO, absent of Winston's off-field mistakes, they are both phenomenal QBs who have the chance to be elite.

Off-field mistakes understates the issue. He has displayed horrible judgement and a stunning lack of self-control, and that doesn't even take into account the possible rape. I would stay away from him at the most important position on any NFL team.

I can forgive the other mistakes - not rape. I would hire the best investigator to determine if he was guilty

Lots of these guys do dumb things and mature - see Cam and Peyton (he of the rubbing his balls in the face of a reporter in college)

But rape is unforgivable in my book

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Anyone watch TCU-WVU?

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

That two-SEC teams in the playoffs dream is dead in the water.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Anyone watch TCU-WVU?

Yep.. That TCU is something else.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

I actually don't think he's impressive at times on the field. He makes some incredibly stupid throws, I can think of the one vs the Irish that was a fade way shot back to the middle of the field. He's the best prospect since Luck and RGIII no doubt and I do think he'll be good, but he is nowhere near as good as Luck on the field.

Well people said I was insane for saying both Justin Gilbert and Jadaveon Clowney were epic busts, so I'm used to it.

I jut think Winston has an immense feel for the game, and the physical tools to go with it.


I watched Cam Newton last night throw everything like a frozen rope, as opposed to a guy like Luck or Winston who understands touch and angle of passes.

Newton can't throw a fade pattern to save his life, he throws it the same way as he does every other pass.

Also Winston is at his best under pressure

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Awesome there are 2 receivers named Pharoah!

Pharoah Brown for Oregon and Pharoah Cooper for SC.