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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/22/2014 4:16:03 PM   
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Tighten up the baseball. Steroid testing alone does not explain the insance drop off in homers over the last 15 years.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 8:56:43 AM   
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You have got to be kidding me.

They're actually considering making the shift illegal?

I recently asked a veteran major league hitting coach what can be done to inject more offense back in the game. His first response was to address the new defensive positioning.

“The shifts,” he said. “Get rid of them. You need to come up with a definition of illegal defense. I know you’ll say, ‘Well, you’re a hitting coach. Of course you would [say that].’ But it’s something that has really changed the game.”

Support of an “illegal defense” rule – or at least the consideration of it – is gaining some traction in baseball. Such a rule might stipulate, for instance, that you cannot have three infielders on one side of second base. A shortstop would be able to shift as far as directly behind second base on a lefthanded hitter, but no farther.


http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/07/22/shifts-rule-change-lefthanded-batters-david-ortiz


Geez. I was kidding yesterday, guys. I swear!

That's just nuts.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 9:03:09 AM   
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Tighten up the baseball. Steroid testing alone does not explain the insance drop off in homers over the last 15 years.


How about addressing a real issue with the game.....the length of time it takes for a game to be played.

Force pitchers and hitters to get going.

The length of games has become crazy.

Watch a game from the 60's vs. a Yanks/Sox game of today.

Baseball really needs to focus on bringing youngsters into the game as fans as well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 9:16:41 AM   
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How about addressing a real issue with the game.....the length of time it takes for a game to be played.

Force pitchers and hitters to get going.

The length of games has become crazy.

Watch a game from the 60's vs. a Yanks/Sox game of today.

Baseball really needs to focus on bringing youngsters into the game as fans as well.


THe underlined part in a BIG way.

I saw part of a game from the '69 World Series a while back on SNY (the Mets station) and I remember an at bat by Frank Robinson in particular. The guy never stepped out of the box. He just stood there in the box right after the pitch waggling his bat, staring at the pitcher intently, taking half swings eagerly awaiting the next pitch. Nowadays after each pitch almost every batter needs to step out to adjust their "gear" and go through an assortment of rituals. YOu could probably shave off 20-30 a game at least if that gets cleaned up. It's gotten completely ridiculous
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 9:56:16 AM   
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15 second pitch clock, for sure.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 11:06:52 AM   
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Tighten up the baseball. Steroid testing alone does not explain the insance drop off in homers over the last 15 years.


How about addressing a real issue with the game.....the length of time it takes for a game to be played.

Force pitchers and hitters to get going.

The length of games has become crazy.

Watch a game from the 60's vs. a Yanks/Sox game of today.

Baseball really needs to focus on bringing youngsters into the game as fans as well.


I would like to see a pitch clock initiated in MLB and at lower levels, as well. The pitcher has 20 seconds between pitches. The first violation, unless due to injury, inclement weather, or a replay, is a first warning to the pitcher. The second violation is a warning to the dugout. A third violation will result in an automatic ball being assessed on the batter. Subsequent delays with similar results. From the batter's perspective, stepping out of the box to adjust gloves, hat, crotch, pine tar, etc., if over twenty seconds unless due to injury, weather, replay, etc., would be a first warning to the batter. Second warning to the dugout, third warning a called strike on the batter. The penalties would not be per batter. They would be cumulative meaning each team essentially gets two warnings from the pitcher's perspective and the batter's perspective. The third "team" violation is a penalty on the batter or pitcher.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 2:22:59 PM   
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Clock is a great thing. The season really needs to be reduced too (just as it does in the NBA) but that cuts the revenue pie plus the tradition of stats, etc. so it will never happen.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 2:25:01 PM   
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Agree on a shorter season, Dustin -- also agree it will never happen.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 2:32:26 PM   
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What's hurt baseball compared to basketball/football (besides its own ineptitude marketing-wise) is TV. We're in a fast-paced busy culture and it's just tough for most people to commit to a 3-4 hour game every day of the week. But shortening the games would certainly help.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 2:36:44 PM   
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I can't agree with shortening the season. Don't think it would help fan interest at all. People would say "see, it's a dying sport - they know it and they're getting desperate." I like the long season. Play as early as you can and as late as you can. That's basically how it is now. Nationwide the weather is good enough to play from April to October, and that's what we do. Yes, it's sketchy in certain parts of the country in April and October. But the more baseball, the better. Especially if it's good baseball. I realize that following the Twins makes it more difficult.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 2:38:24 PM   
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As a fan, I love the long season. Ditto for NBA. But I don't think it's good for the casual fan. And it's almost certainly not good for the players.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 9:33:17 PM   
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The Tigers have agreed to acquire reliever Joakim Soria from the Rangers in exchange for prospects Jake Thompson and Corey Knebel, Kyle Bogenschutz was first to report on Twitter. Jon Morosi of FOX Sports confirmed that an agreement is in place (via Twitter).

With the acquisition of Soria, the Tigers now possess both of the Rangers’ most recent closers (having signed Joe Nathan as a free agent over the offseason). It remains unclear precisely how the late-inning duties will be allocated for Detroit, but regardless the team will now have an additional premium arm to throw into high-leverage situations.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/23/2014 9:34:03 PM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/24/2014 11:16:49 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.





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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/24/2014 11:59:04 PM   
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Everyone (but the Phillies) knew from the beginning that was the worst contract in baseball. Just like the ones for Miggy and Prince will be.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 6:22:16 AM   
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Everyone (but the Phillies) knew from the beginning that was the worst contract in baseball. Just like the ones for Miggy and Prince will be.


And the one for Mauer

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 7:42:54 AM   
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As a fan, I love the long season. Ditto for NBA. But I don't think it's good for the casual fan. And it's almost certainly not good for the players.



The problem with baseball is 90% of the fans are "casual fans". TF is the epitome of this syndrome. Sheople are there for the ambiance, expensive beer and concerssions (although I have no idea why) and a place to sit and text their friends.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 7:45:02 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 9:18:33 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.


If I were GM, My standards for a FA would be

1. If we go longer than 3 years then every additional year will be team option only.
2. No trade clauses are not an option, Unless player is willing to lop 10% off of their final dollar value of their contract. If you are going to get paid this much, you will assume the risk of being traded.
3. Buyouts for team option years will not exceed 500K.
4. Contracts will have a low base salary with performance bonuses, no guaranteed money, you get paid when you succeed.
5. Every contract for my team will include team wins bonuses for more than 88 wins, then 95.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 9:23:01 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.


If I were GM, My standards for a FA would be

1. If we go longer than 3 years then every additional year will be team option only.
2. No trade clauses are not an option, Unless player is willing to lop 10% off of their final dollar value of their contract. If you are going to get paid this much, you will assume the risk of being traded.
3. Buyouts for team option years will not exceed 500K.
4. Contracts will have a low base salary with performance bonuses, no guaranteed money, you get paid when you succeed.
5. Every contract for my team will include team wins bonuses for more than 88 wins, then 95.

Nobody of note would agree to sign with your team and you'd lose 130 games every season.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 9:30:49 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.


If I were GM, My standards for a FA would be

1. If we go longer than 3 years then every additional year will be team option only.
2. No trade clauses are not an option, Unless player is willing to lop 10% off of their final dollar value of their contract. If you are going to get paid this much, you will assume the risk of being traded.
3. Buyouts for team option years will not exceed 500K.
4. Contracts will have a low base salary with performance bonuses, no guaranteed money, you get paid when you succeed.
5. Every contract for my team will include team wins bonuses for more than 88 wins, then 95.

Nobody of note would agree to sign with your team and you'd lose 130 games every season.


No, I would get coaches very good at developement of young players, Draft well, develope from within and we would win that way. I would never give a marginal player a long ass term contract and let them hang around with a no trade clause.

There would be no $23mil a year for 8 years guaranteed with a no trade clause for a washed up singles hitting walk drawing oft injured powerless 1B and former catcher. There'd be no longterm deals for Vernon Wells, or Barry Zito.

There would be no 4 year contracts for Nick Blackburn,
No longterm extensions with starting player play for utility guys like Nick Punto.

Almost none of those longterm deals end up working well for organizations.

Why the Twins don't sign big name FAs is because they wont sign any one or two year wonders to gargantuan contracts. If you signe all the best FAs to those monster contracts you end up with the Yankees of 2014...OLD OLD OLD team breaking down and under contract for a few more years.

You might start out for a few years with bad records, but then you draft well with the good draft picks you get. develope them and bring them up and when they all mature together you have success, like in 1987. and in the early 2000s as well (if Gardy weren't here we would have gone farther imho).

I really don't have a problem with this aspect of how the Twins run things, my problem is with their talent evaluation. and the fact that they can't see their coaching staff is hindering success.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/25/2014 9:39:10 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.


If I were GM, My standards for a FA would be

1. If we go longer than 3 years then every additional year will be team option only.
2. No trade clauses are not an option, Unless player is willing to lop 10% off of their final dollar value of their contract. If you are going to get paid this much, you will assume the risk of being traded.
3. Buyouts for team option years will not exceed 500K.
4. Contracts will have a low base salary with performance bonuses, no guaranteed money, you get paid when you succeed.
5. Every contract for my team will include team wins bonuses for more than 88 wins, then 95.

Nobody of note would agree to sign with your team and you'd lose 130 games every season.


No, I would get coaches very good at developement of young players, Draft well, develope from within and we would win that way. I would never give a marginal player a long ass term contract and let them hang around with a no trade clause.

There would be no $23mil a year for 8 years guaranteed with a no trade clause for a washed up singles hitting walk drawing oft injured powerless 1B and former catcher. There'd be no longterm deals for Vernon Wells, or Barry Zito.

There would be no 4 year contracts for Nick Blackburn,
No longterm extensions with starting player play for utility guys like Nick Punto.

Almost none of those longterm deals end up working well for organizations.

Why the Twins don't sign big name FAs is because they wont sign any one or two year wonders to gargantuan contracts. If you signe all the best FAs to those monster contracts you end up with the Yankees of 2014...OLD OLD OLD team breaking down and under contract for a few more years.

You might start out for a few years with bad records, but then you draft well with the good draft picks you get. develope them and bring them up and when they all mature together you have success, like in 1987. and in the early 2000s as well (if Gardy weren't here we would have gone farther imho).

I really don't have a problem with this aspect of how the Twins run things, my problem is with their talent evaluation. and the fact that they can't see their coaching staff is hindering success.

You make a very convincing argument.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/26/2014 12:14:57 AM   
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As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.



Long-term contracts should become illegal in baseball. It is ruining the sport. If they are not going to implement a salary cap, the least they can do is limit FA contracts to 4-5 years.


Why? I'm always for more freedom. Let teams take risks. No team "has" to give longterm contracts. Look at the Cardinals' model. They have a steadfast rule and it works for them. Look at the NBA. They basically locked out the league because of crappy contracts THEY gave, even after giving themselves an out of an amnesty clause, essentially absolving themselves of contracts THEY gave. Just ridiculous. MLB resembles the NBA a great deal from an ownership/front office perspective. About 5-10 teams are genius and the rest are absolute morons.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/26/2014 12:17:26 AM   
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You actually win by locking up your young elite guys very early to longterm team-friendly deals when you have ALL the leverage for their first 6 years when they're getting severely underpaid. That's what the A's/Rays do. It works. You're taking minimal risk in the grand scheme of things and the player is also still getting some security.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/26/2014 6:51:50 AM   
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You actually win by locking up your young elite guys very early to longterm team-friendly deals when you have ALL the leverage for their first 6 years when they're getting severely underpaid. That's what the A's/Rays do. It works. You're taking minimal risk in the grand scheme of things and the player is also still getting some security.



They also can evaluate talent. Something the Twins are poor at, as an organization.

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