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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 2:50:06 PM   
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If Dozier ever goes to Baltimore, I'd have to move to Maryland.



You wouldn't be able to walk for a week with a Hardy / Dozier infield.

4 hours and see a doctor........

That would be 7 days in your case......maybe all season long.

......an erection lasting four months .......

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 2:54:21 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 3:01:57 PM   
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Is Mrs. SMF going to engineer a Dozier trade to Baltimore?


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 3:44:41 PM   
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Value soo low that is all they can get in the offseason.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 9:35:38 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 9:46:04 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 9:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you consider positional value, is Alex Rodriguez the greatest player of all-time? I was just looking at his career stats and I think there's an argument to be made that he is. Most of the "greatest of all time" names you hear are outfielders or 1st basemen. A-Rod was a SS and 3B, two of the worst hitting positions in baseball, for his entire career. I honestly believe he could be one of the Top 3 third basemen in baseball next season. The position across the league is horrible. His WAR will be formidable. I really hope by the time he's eligible for the HOF the voters are over all this steroid stuff. Put the legends in. Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod are the Williams, DiMaggio and Musial of this generation. They belong in Cooperstown.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:11:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agree there, Matt. I don't think Ruth can ever be topped because of the pitching aspect, but as for "everyone else" A-Rod's in the mix. Along with Bonds, Ted Williams, Mantle, Mays...

I don't agree with you on his impact this season. 1) I don't think he'll end up playing much 3b at all. 2) I just don't think he's got much left in the tank.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:18:08 PM   
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Agree there, Matt. I don't think Ruth can ever be topped because of the pitching aspect, but as for "everyone else" A-Rod's in the mix. Along with Bonds, Ted Williams, Mantle, Mays...

I don't agree with you on his impact this season. 1) I don't think he'll end up playing much 3b at all. 2) I just don't think he's got much left in the tank.

Let's not overstate Ruth's pitching. He had TWO good pitching seasons in his career. And speaking of the time, look at the competition....there wasn't much. It was a time when there weren't many teams, and it's questionable how many truly great players were in the game at the time.

Other than his time at pitcher, he was a plodding outfielder. A-Rod was a top-rate SS and 3B, and played against much tougher competition.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:21:15 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:22:23 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:46:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		10:23pm: The Rockies and Twins have also spoken to New York about Gee, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.

9:31pm: Up to six teams are interested in Gee, MLB Network Radio’s Jim Duquette reports (hat tip to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News).

8:54pm: The Mets and Rangers are discussing a possible trade that would send right-hander Dillon Gee to Texas, FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi reports (Twitter link). The Rangers were said to be preparing to talk to the Mets about Gee (and Jon Niese) yesterday. While the two sides have talked, however, “nothing is close on that front,” according to The Record’s Matt Ehalt (Twitter link).

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/9/2014 10:48:30 PM   
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10:23pm: The Rockies and Twins have also spoken to New York about Gee, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.

9:31pm: Up to six teams are interested in Gee, MLB Network Radio’s Jim Duquette reports (hat tip to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News).

8:54pm: The Mets and Rangers are discussing a possible trade that would send right-hander Dillon Gee to Texas, FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi reports (Twitter link). The Rangers were said to be preparing to talk to the Mets about Gee (and Jon Niese) yesterday. While the two sides have talked, however, “nothing is close on that front,” according to The Record’s Matt Ehalt (Twitter link).

Don't want him. Unless we are trading a complete garbage prospect.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 5:45:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Cubs will have agreed to terms with former Red Sox and Athletics ace Jon Lester, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweets. Lester will receive six years and $155MM, Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports notes (on Twitter). The deal also includes a $15MM vesting option for a seventh year, David Kaplan of CSN Chicago tweets.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 9:02:21 AM   
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The Astros have agreed to a three-year, $18.5MM deal with reliever Luke Gregerson, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). Houston had been rumored to be pursuing several angles to add one more more late-inning relievers.



After adding Luke Gregerson this morning, the Astros are “closing in” on a deal with fellow right-handed reliever Pat Neshek, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports on Twitter. Neshek has been said to be talking with Houston and two other teams.

Houston is nearing a two-year pact with Neshek, Nightengale adds.



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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 9:27:51 AM   
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Is a 1.55 WHIP great?


Way to cherry pick one stat from one season.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 9:46:54 AM   
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Agree there, Matt. I don't think Ruth can ever be topped because of the pitching aspect, but as for "everyone else" A-Rod's in the mix. Along with Bonds, Ted Williams, Mantle, Mays...

I don't agree with you on his impact this season. 1) I don't think he'll end up playing much 3b at all. 2) I just don't think he's got much left in the tank.

Let's not overstate Ruth's pitching. He had TWO good pitching seasons in his career. And speaking of the time, look at the competition....there wasn't much. It was a time when there weren't many teams, and it's questionable how many truly great players were in the game at the time.

Other than his time at pitcher, he was a plodding outfielder. A-Rod was a top-rate SS and 3B, and played against much tougher competition.


Ruth played in a era where all the bad things were detrimental to playing the game. He drank, ate too much, and still dominated. AROID used performance enhancing drugs.

You do have a point about eras. Ruth did not play in an integrated league so he would have had more competition for slugging than he had if Josh Gibson would have been allowed to play with/against him.

Ruth gets more credit for me though for growing the game. The homerun brought people to the ballpark. He changed the entire paradigm of the game. Do you know who held the lead in HRs for a season before he hit 60? He did, with 23.

That's how he changed the game. And his number should be closer to 800 dingers too. Rule changes, when he played if a ball landed in foul territory even if it curled around the fair side of the pole, it was foul, and it's estimated 80 or so of balls he hit "foul" would be called HRs today.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 9:56:16 AM   
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Way to go Neshek

9:51am: Neshek receives a $12.5MM guarantee over two years, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports on Twitter.

8:39am: After adding Luke Gregerson this morning, the Astros have reached a deal with fellow right-handed reliever Pat Neshek.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 9:57:02 AM   
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20 mill SIGNING Bonus

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9:49am: Lester will pocket a signing bonus of at least $20MM, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney tweets.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 10:45:46 AM   
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When you consider positional value, is Alex Rodriguez the greatest player of all-time? I was just looking at his career stats and I think there's an argument to be made that he is. Most of the "greatest of all time" names you hear are outfielders or 1st basemen. A-Rod was a SS and 3B, two of the worst hitting positions in baseball, for his entire career. I honestly believe he could be one of the Top 3 third basemen in baseball next season. The position across the league is horrible. His WAR will be formidable. I really hope by the time he's eligible for the HOF the voters are over all this steroid stuff. Put the legends in. Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod are the Williams, DiMaggio and Musial of this generation. They belong in Cooperstown.


NO. He will never be greatest of all time consideration.

1. he's a self absorbed asshole
2. he's a blatant cheater

Ruth did it eating hot dogs and drinking him self silly
ARoid had to cheat to get where he is now.

and he helped others cheat.

I honestly hope the writers get over themselves in time and let the roiders in...
But I refuse to call any of them "best of all time", because they chose to cheat when they had the talent to truly be the best.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 11:11:11 AM   
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10:29am: The bonus is for $30MM, Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports, amongst other updates regarding the precise workings of the deal (links to Twitter). That includes $20MM up front and another $10MM spread over the life of the deal, per a tweet from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.

Lester also receives a full no-trade clause, Stark reports. The vesting clause is actually for $25MM and comes with a $10MM buyout. It can vest with a 200-inning season in 2020 or if Lester racks up 400 total frames over 2019-20.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 11:37:23 AM   
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Love it when Boston demonstrates its stupidity. As Buster Olney said, Boston should just come out and admit that they screwed up.

Lester wanted to retire as a Red Sox.

Twins did the same thing with Hunter when they failed to extend him a year before he hit FA and then when he hit FA, offered him 3 years when the Angels gave him 5.

Twins (TR) = Boston = idiots

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 11:45:32 AM   
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When Lester came to Boston and said he wanted an extension before he hit FA in Spring 14, Boston offered 4 years at $70 million.

Love it when Boston demonstrates its stupidity. As Buster Olney said, Boston should just come out and admit that they screwed up.

Lester wanted to retire as a Red Sox.

Twins did the same thing with Hunter when they failed to extend him a year before he hit FA and then when he hit FA, offered him 3 years when the Angels gave him 5.

Twins (TR) = Boston = idiots



I didn't have a problem with the Twins not offering 5 years at the time, nor would we have been able to match the dollars they offered either.

I was wrong about it, but I saw Hunter getting older and the Twins would have regretted that contract had they offered it.

Hunter was a rarity. Now they brought him back for way too much. But they only have to deal with it for one season.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 12:54:25 PM   
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When Lester came to Boston and said he wanted an extension before he hit FA in Spring 14, Boston offered 4 years at $70 million.

Love it when Boston demonstrates its stupidity. As Buster Olney said, Boston should just come out and admit that they screwed up.

Lester wanted to retire as a Red Sox.

Twins did the same thing with Hunter when they failed to extend him a year before he hit FA and then when he hit FA, offered him 3 years when the Angels gave him 5.

Twins (TR) = Boston = idiots



I didn't have a problem with the Twins not offering 5 years at the time, nor would we have been able to match the dollars they offered either.

I was wrong about it, but I saw Hunter getting older and the Twins would have regretted that contract had they offered it.

Hunter was a rarity. Now they brought him back for way too much. But they only have to deal with it for one season.



Again the Twins mistake was not their failure to sign Hunter when he hit FA. Their problem was failure to extend him the offseason before he hit his final year as is highlighted in the post. Once he hit FA, the Twins would have to match a five year offer.

Boston could have extended Lester for a lot less money than they ultimately would have had to pay to keep him from signing with the Cubs had they been proactive and extended Lester this past offseason. Instead they lowballed him and now he is gone. Same thing for the Twins......they could have extended Hunter the offseason before he hit FA.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/10/2014 1:52:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Orioles have interest in Red Sox outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, a source tells Rob Bradford of WEEI.com (via Twitter). Nothing is remotely imminent on that front but the O’s view the slugger as a good potential fit.


Twins should get involved in this. RH slugger at TField works well. Then you deal Arcia.

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