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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:05:32 AM   
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Curt Schilling explains why John Smoltz made the HOF and Schilling did not.

Asked why Smoltz did so much better than him on the ballot, Schilling said:

"The fact that [the Braves] won 14 straight pennants. I think his 'Swiss Army knife versatility,' which is what somebody said yesterday. I think he got a lot of accolades for that. I think he got a lot of recognition for that. He's a Hall of Famer. The other big thing is, I think he's a Democrat. I know that as a Republican that there's some people that really don't like that.”


Oh wow. Has he completely lost it? He also went on to say that if Schilling was a John Kerry (?) supporter, he would have received more HOF support.

Omg
That's perfect "Schilling"
Persecuted Republican. I know a ton of em.
You can't make up shit that funny.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:05:41 AM   
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Was Veterans Stadium known as a bandbox?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:10:21 AM   
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Curt Schilling explains why John Smoltz made the HOF and Schilling did not.

Asked why Smoltz did so much better than him on the ballot, Schilling said:

"The fact that [the Braves] won 14 straight pennants. I think his 'Swiss Army knife versatility,' which is what somebody said yesterday. I think he got a lot of accolades for that. I think he got a lot of recognition for that. He's a Hall of Famer. The other big thing is, I think he's a Democrat. I know that as a Republican that there's some people that really don't like that.”


Oh wow. Has he completely lost it? He also went on to say that if Schilling was a John Kerry (?) supporter, he would have received more HOF support.

Omg
That's perfect "Schilling"
Persecuted Republican. I know a ton of em.
You can't make up shit that funny.

Agreed. I laughed out loud.

Curt is the type of Republican that really makes them look foolish. Smoltz appears to be the kind you can have a civil argument with.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:12:22 AM   
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Player A: 213-155, 3.33 ERA, 3473 IP, 3074 H, 288 HR, 1010 BB, 3084 K, ERA+ of 125, 3.24 FIP, 1.176 WHIP, 8.0 H/9, 8.0 K/9, 3.05 K/BB, 3 top 5-CYA finishes, 1 CYA, 15-4 in the postseason with a 2.67 ERA, 1 WS ring
Player B: 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3261 IP, 2998 H, 347 HR, 711 BB, 3116 K, ERA+ of 127, 3.23 FIP, 1.137 WHIP, 8.3 H/9, 8.6 K/9, 4.38 K/BB, 4 top 5-CYA, finsihes, 0 CYA (3 #2 finishes), 11-2 in the postseason with a 2.23 ERA, 3 WS rings



Player A is of course Smoltz and B is Schilling. Those are incredibly similar careers. If anything, I think Schilling is slightly better. Especially when you consider that Smoltz' rates are a bit inflated by his time in the bullpen (ie easier to have better numbers 1 inning at a time).

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:18:43 AM   
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Was Veterans Stadium known as a bandbox?


Hmm, I forgot how new Citizens Bank is. You may be right there, Matt. Still, AZ and Fenway definitely are. And my recollection is that Fulton County was huge.

Schilling's ERA+ is better. I really think those 2 guys are about as close as you can get. Both phenomenal in the postseason too. Not sure how you can have one in without the other. Especially when the 2nd one was a part of the first title for the Red Sox in 86 years. That's pretty significant in itself.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:21:33 AM   
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Player A: 213-155, 3.33 ERA, 3473 IP, 3074 H, 288 HR, 1010 BB, 3084 K, ERA+ of 125, 3.24 FIP, 1.176 WHIP, 8.0 H/9, 8.0 K/9, 3.05 K/BB, 3 top 5-CYA finishes, 1 CYA, 15-4 in the postseason with a 2.67 ERA, 1 WS ring
Player B: 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3261 IP, 2998 H, 347 HR, 711 BB, 3116 K, ERA+ of 127, 3.23 FIP, 1.137 WHIP, 8.3 H/9, 8.6 K/9, 4.38 K/BB, 4 top 5-CYA, finsihes, 0 CYA (3 #2 finishes), 11-2 in the postseason with a 2.23 ERA, 3 WS rings



Player A is of course Smoltz and B is Schilling. Those are incredibly similar careers. If anything, I think Schilling is slightly better. Especially when you consider that Smoltz' rates are a bit inflated by his time in the bullpen (ie easier to have better numbers 1 inning at a time).

Good points.

So Curt was probably right about the versatility thing and the connection to Maddux/Glavine. But he should have stopped there with his theory and that would have been good enough.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:22:39 AM   
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Was Veterans Stadium known as a bandbox?


Hmm, I forgot how new Citizens Bank is. You may be right there, Matt. Still, AZ and Fenway definitely are. And my recollection is that Fulton County was huge.

Schilling's ERA+ is better. I really think those 2 guys are about as close as you can get. Both phenomenal in the postseason too. Not sure how you can have one in without the other. Especially when the 2nd one was a part of the first title for the Red Sox in 86 years. That's pretty significant in itself.

I think Fulton County was called "The Launching Pad" for a reason. A very hitter friendly park, as I recall.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:24:08 AM   
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No doubt. The political thing was stupid, of course.

Just would have been cool to have a couple sets of teammates in. Would have loved MLB to make an exception and have Smoltz in last year with Maddux/Glavine. And would have been cool this year to have Schilling in with 2 sets of teammates in Randy and Pedro.

Probably speaks to Schilling's personality that I haven't seen either guy (unless I've missed it) lobbying for Schilling this week.

I did think it was awesome that BOTH Randy and Pedro (again, quite possibly the 2 best pitchers in our lifetimes) said Edgar Martinez was the best hitter they ever saw. Travesty he's not in the HOF too.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:25:15 AM   
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Was Veterans Stadium known as a bandbox?


Hmm, I forgot how new Citizens Bank is. You may be right there, Matt. Still, AZ and Fenway definitely are. And my recollection is that Fulton County was huge.

Schilling's ERA+ is better. I really think those 2 guys are about as close as you can get. Both phenomenal in the postseason too. Not sure how you can have one in without the other. Especially when the 2nd one was a part of the first title for the Red Sox in 86 years. That's pretty significant in itself.

I think Fulton County was called "The Launching Pad" for a reason. A very hitter friendly park, as I recall.


Hmm, maybe so. I guess I just always thought it was huge because of the capacity.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:25:50 AM   
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There was a partial roof over the upper deck, cutting down winds blowing across the paths of batted balls. In addition, until the Colorado Rockies entered the majors in 1993, the stadium had the highest elevation of all major league parks at 1,057 feet above sea level. The combination of all these elements made Fulton County stadium one of the leading home run parks in all of baseball, earning it the nickname "The Launching Pad".

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:28:31 AM   
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Was Veterans Stadium known as a bandbox?


Hmm, I forgot how new Citizens Bank is. You may be right there, Matt. Still, AZ and Fenway definitely are. And my recollection is that Fulton County was huge.

Schilling's ERA+ is better. I really think those 2 guys are about as close as you can get. Both phenomenal in the postseason too. Not sure how you can have one in without the other. Especially when the 2nd one was a part of the first title for the Red Sox in 86 years. That's pretty significant in itself.

I think Fulton County was called "The Launching Pad" for a reason. A very hitter friendly park, as I recall.


Correct

Davy Johnson hit 43 HRs one year when in ATL. NEver sniffed that area again.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 10:29:32 AM   
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There was a partial roof over the upper deck, cutting down winds blowing across the paths of batted balls. In addition, until the Colorado Rockies entered the majors in 1993, the stadium had the highest elevation of all major league parks at 1,057 feet above sea level. The combination of all these elements made Fulton County stadium one of the leading home run parks in all of baseball, earning it the nickname "The Launching Pad".


Wow! The elevation thing blows my mind too. Never think of Atlanta that way.

Good stuff guys. So I guess they both pitched in bandboxes for a lot of their careers.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 11:15:21 AM   
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I think Smoltz and Schilling are very comparable. I love Smoltz, but again, do we really believe Schilling couldn't have been a dominant closer too? I do think he gets points (and probably unfairly) for that "versatility". Both were great in the postseason and are among the guys you'd most likely give the ball to short of Pedro and Randy, of our generation. Also, don't forget that Smoltz pitched almost all of his career in a solid pitchers' park in Atlanta (especially the old park) and Schilling pitched almost all of his career in the bandboxes of Fenway/Philly/AZ.

As for politics, honestly, I think most baseball players couldn't even identify themselves politically. Or know what the platforms are.


They had the same amount of wins (Smoltz and Schilling).....didn't it cost Smoltz about 60 wins by being a closer for the Braves for 4 years? I think the 150 some saves hurt him more than helped....

3 World Series Titles for Schilling is the one thing that will get Schilling in.....213 wins usually isn't enough by itself for a pitcher.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 11:27:27 AM   
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I think Smoltz and Schilling are very comparable. I love Smoltz, but again, do we really believe Schilling couldn't have been a dominant closer too? I do think he gets points (and probably unfairly) for that "versatility". Both were great in the postseason and are among the guys you'd most likely give the ball to short of Pedro and Randy, of our generation. Also, don't forget that Smoltz pitched almost all of his career in a solid pitchers' park in Atlanta (especially the old park) and Schilling pitched almost all of his career in the bandboxes of Fenway/Philly/AZ.

As for politics, honestly, I think most baseball players couldn't even identify themselves politically. Or know what the platforms are.


They had the same amount of wins (Smoltz and Schilling).....didn't it cost Smoltz about 60 wins by being a closer for the Braves for 4 years? I think the 150 some saves hurt him more than helped....

3 World Series Titles for Schilling is the one thing that will get Schilling in.....213 wins usually isn't enough by itself for a pitcher.

I noticed that on Wins too, but I'm of the strong belief that Wins for a pitcher don't matter. So I'm not gonna use it for my side of the argument.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/9/2015 1:27:04 PM   
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Exactly. Wins don't matter, just like saves don't matter. I could care less about either stat.

And yes, it cost Smoltz wins, but you can't really say that because he wasn't durable enough to start at that point. So he would have been "cost" wins either way.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/13/2015 11:09:08 AM   
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Twins will come up with these ideas in 10-15 years or so


Dodgers to have Spanish-speaking coach on every minor league team

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 3:06:23 AM   
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Last year, the world of run production was turned upside down, with the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees, who almost always finish in the top 10 in runs scored, ranking among the worst rather than the best.

In 2015, that usual world order will return. In Part III of our team element ranks -- we ranked the rotations Monday and the bullpens Tuesday -- here are the top 10 MLB lineups:

1. Boston Red Sox

Even before the Red Sox closed a 2014 season in which they finished 18th in runs, Boston GM Ben Cherington had brought change. Mookie Betts, who dominated in the minor leagues, was promoted in the last couple of months and thrived, generating a .368 on-base percentage in 52 games. The Red Sox spent a lot of money on Rusney Castillo and got him to the big leagues, where he had a small sample of success. In November, Boston made two lightning strikes to sign two veteran hitters who've demonstrated the ability to hit good pitchers, Pablo Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez.

Dustin Pedroia's slugging percentage has steadily regressed (.493 in 2010, to .474, .449, .415 and .376 in subsequent seasons), and given the inevitable toll of time and his style of play, some rival evaluators doubt he'll ever get back to being a high-impact hitter. Meanwhile, David Ortiz turned 39 this winter and is presumably in the last years of his career. But the depth in the Red Sox's lineup, which enabled them to lead the majors in runs in 2013 and win a championship, is restored. With Ramirez and Sandoval, and the possible contributions of Betts and Castillo, the Red Sox's offense won't disappear if Pedroia and Ortiz don't hit. Boston's lineup will be formidable again (probably fueled by the reality that the rotations among division rivals appear thin).

It's not entirely clear what role Shane Victorino will have, or where Betts will play, or what the Red Sox will do with Allen Craig and Daniel Nava. But Boston has more and better lineup options than any other team in the majors.

2. Los Angeles Angels

The trade of Howie Kendrick will hurt the lineup, because amid the volatility of other parts of the lineup -- the inherent injury and age questions for Albert Pujols and the puzzle that Josh Hamilton has become -- Kendrick was a steady presence. In his nine-year career, his OPS ranged between .721 at the low end and .802 at the high end; he was solid, season after season. He is gone, and it'll be a challenge for the Angels to replace that consistency. The Angels' offense begins, of course, with the majors' best player, Mike Trout, who had 84 extra-base hits, 83 walks, 115 runs and 111 RBIs in 2014. Pujols had a really good bounce-back year, with 66 extra-base hits among 172 hits; he turns 35 this week.

The Angels added depth this winter, writes Alden Gonzalez.

3. Toronto Blue Jays

Sure, there are questions about the Jays' production at second base and in left field. But Toronto had a relatively strong offense last season, finishing fifth in runs, and the Blue Jays' lineup in 2015 likely will start like this:

SS Jose Reyes
C Russell Martin
RF Jose Bautista
3B Josh Donaldson
DH Edwin Encarnacion

That's a pretty good foundation.

4. Colorado Rockies

To date, all signs are that Troy Tulowitzki will be back, surrounded by Justin Morneau, Carlos Gonzalez, Nolan Arenado, Charlie Blackmon and Corey Dickerson. Sure, the Rockies continues to be Supermen at home and Clark Kents on the road -- last year, they ranked No. 1 in home OPS (.902, 128 points better than any other team) and No. 29 in road OPS (.636) -- but there's no reason to think that's going to change in 2015. By summer's end, they'll have piled up a lot of runs.

5. Detroit Tigers

The Tigers probably will have days when they look like baseball's most dynamic offensive team, with Yoenis Cespedes making Comerica Park look small with long home runs, with Victor Martinez demonstrating why he might be the game's best pure hitter and with J.D. Martinez taking advantage of having runners on base.

In fact, you could argue that the Tigers should be higher than fifth in these rankings after scoring more runs than 28 other teams last year. But there is one major X factor: The health of Miguel Cabrera, who had ankle surgery following the season. Perhaps Cabrera's return will be seamless, and he showed last year that even when he's playing hurt, no hitter has better hands and he can still be very dangerous. Cabrera played in 159 games last season, batting .313, racking up 76 extra-base hits among 191 hits, and hitting .379 in September, hobbling all the while.

But if Cabrera's rehabilitation is extended, or if he has a setback, that will change a whole lot about Detroit's attack. He will be in a walking boot at the start of spring training, in all likelihood.

6. Washington Nationals

Jayson Werth might be out of the lineup at the beginning of the season following his shoulder surgery, but Washington appears to have an offense that could fully evolve this summer. The 24-year-old Anthony Rendon became one of the National League's best hitters last year, compiling 66 extra-base hits, and Bryce Harper showed again in the postseason how dangerous he can become. He's only 22 years old and has lost time to injuries, and yet he has hit 55 homers. Denard Span tied for the NL lead in hits last year (184) and scored 94 runs. Ryan Zimmerman is expected to move to first base, probably permanently, and shortstop Ian Desmond is one of the best offensive players at his position.

In spite of their problems last year, including major injuries to Zimmerman, Harper and Werth, the Nationals still finished ninth in runs. They should be better in 2015.

7. Texas Rangers

The Rangers had rebuilt their lineup for 2014, focusing on the addition of left-handed power. But absolutely everything went wrong for the Rangers last season, with virtually their entire lineup other than Adrian Beltre and Leonys Martin being affected by one problem or another. As such, their run production dipped markedly.

Rangers' ranking in runs
2010: 5th
2011: 3rd
2012: 1st
2013: 8th
2014: 17th

Nobody within the Texas organization will assume anything anymore after what the Rangers experienced in 2014, but this is what we know as of now: Prince Fielder is back to his MMA-style training, without restriction following his neck surgery last summer. Shin-Soo Choo's elbow is feeling much better, and he also has lost some weight. Elvis Andrus learned a lesson from last year, when he showed up to spring training out of shape; he's now in excellent condition. Mitch Moreland has made progress following his physical problems last season.

Jurickson Profar is good to go, but he may return to the minors, given his need for regular playing time, and slugging prospect Joey Gallo is likely to start the year at Double-A, playing third base. Playing in the excellent hitting conditions in Arlington, a return to form for the Rangers seems very possible.

8. Pittsburgh Pirates

Early in the year, the Pirates' offense was very thin, with some modest contributions around Andrew McCutchen, who got very different treatment from opposing pitchers in his first season after being named the MVP. By late season, however, the Pittsburgh lineup had depth to it, despite the struggles of Pedro Alvarez. Josh Harrison batted .315 and compiled 58 extra-base hits, and Starling Marte became a beast, posting a .408 on-base percentage after the All-Star break. The Pirates ranked ninth in the majors in runs in the second half, and they can reasonably expect another year of progress. McCutchen has learned how to handle the challenge of seeing only a few good pitches a game, Gregory Polanco has growth potential and Pittsburgh should get better production at first base than in 2014, when the Pirates' first basemen ranked 24th in OPS. Alvarez, as always, could be a pivotal figure. If he doesn't hit in the first half of the season, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Pirates look for alternatives before the trade deadline.

9. Cleveland Indians

Michael Brantley was in the MVP conversation, and Carlos Santana's second-half OPS was 123 points better than in the first half, but the Indians' offense had issues all year, including the disastrous year of Jason Kipnis, the disintegration of Nick Swisher, who wound up having surgery on both knees, and the recurring hamstring trouble of Michael Bourn. The Indians are encouraged by Bourn's winter work, and they believe Kipnis will rebound. Until Swisher starts playing, it's hard to know what he'll be.

But the Indians added power hitter Brandon Moss this offseason, and could have a good lineup around Brantley and Santana.

10. New York Yankees

Manager Joe Girardi will have some unusual issues to sort through, because it's really hard to say who should be hitting third, fourth and fifth in that lineup. Maybe Carlos Beltran will bat in one of those spots if he has something left, and maybe Mark Teixeira will, following an offseason investment in himself. Maybe Brian McCann's September, when he hit eight homers in 81 at-bats, is a sign of what's ahead. Last year, the Yankees tried a lot of different hitters in the middle of their order, and finished 20th in runs.

But in 2014, they had more than 600 plate appearances from Derek Jeter, who had the ninth-worst OPS in the majors among hitters with at least 325 appearances, and almost 400 plate appearances from Ichiro Suzuki, who wasn't much better. They could get better production in those spots, and in the No. 1 and No. 2 spots in the lineup, particularly, with Jacoby Ellsbury and Brett Gardner settled into those spots. The Yankees also have better lineup depth, and can throw out an all-left-handed batting order in a division in which 16 of the 20 projected rival starters are right-handed.

The lack of a rock-solid, MVP-type middle-of-the-order hitter will probably prevent the Yankees from climbing among the leaders in run production, but improvement seems inevitable.

Honorable mention: The Minnesota Twins, who ranked third in the majors in runs in the second half of last season. … The Oakland Athletics, who dropped from first in runs in the first half of last season to 13th in the second half, will go into 2015 with a rebuilt lineup, and the health of Brett Lawrie and Coco Crisp will be essential. … Justin Havens of ESPN Stats & Info argued for the St. Louis Cardinals to be in the top 10, but it would be a great leap forward after their very unusual 2014 season, in which the Cardinals finished 24th in runs. If the Cardinals jump back into the top 10, it'll be because Kolten Wong announces his presence with authority, and because Jason Heyward has a big impact leading into his free agency. … The Baltimore Orioles, who lost Nelson Cruz and Nick Markakis but should benefit from the return of Manny Machado and Matt Wieters. … And finally, some evaluators believe the Cincinnati Reds will have a strong rebound after a miserable 2014, with Joey Votto leading the way.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 5:29:34 AM   
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The Houston Astros have acquired slugger Evan Gattis in a trade with the Atlanta Braves.

The rebuilding Braves received three minor league prospects -- right-hander Mike Foltynewicz, third baseman Rio Ruiz and right-hander Andrew Thurman -- in the trade, which also sent right-handed minor leaguer James Hoyt to Houston.

Gattis passed a physical Wednesday to complete the deal, which the Braves announced in a news release later in the evening.

Gattis, 28, has 43 home runs in just 213 career games with the Braves. He burst onto the scene as a relative unknown in 2013 and became one of the most popular players among Atlanta's fan base.

The right-handed Gattis, who has played catcher, first base and left field, will join an emerging Astros lineup that already features All-Star second baseman Jose Altuve, promising outfielder George Springer and slugger Chris Carter, who had 37 homers last season.

The deal marks the latest in a busy offseason for the Braves, who also have traded away star outfielders Jason Heyward and Justin Upton following a disappointing 79-83 season


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 8:04:28 AM   
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Interesting that Oakland flipped Escobar for the bullpen guy, Clippard.

Trades in January. That can happen Mr. Ryan/Dinosaur.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 8:23:52 AM   
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The Oakland re-tooling process has been fascinating. Will be interesting to see how they are this season with a couple of the young stud pitchers back, but without Donaldson, who had a great case for MVP last year.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 11:21:44 AM   
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A 20-second pitch clock will be used in Double-A and Triple-A games in 2015, reports Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi.

Major League Baseball owners are seeking changes with the players union concerning the pace of play during games, according to the report. But the majors will not use pitch clock this season.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 11:28:27 AM   
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Love it. I think I mentioned to you guys, but I really didn't notice it much at the AFL, and I was looking for it. The casual fan probably won't care, and the pace of the game is more important anyway. They just had 1 clock in the OF there (similar to a radar gun location at a lot of parks) and 1 on each side of the plate, closer to the on deck circle on each side. Hopefully this will speed up the pace and in a few years pitchers/hitters will be used to it and they can do away with the clock if they wish.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 12:39:09 PM   
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Another sports scoreboard opportunity for Daktronics.....the baseball clock

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 2:13:56 PM   
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San Diego wins All-Star game bid. Can you imagine the prices of those tickets?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/15/2015 3:09:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

A 20-second pitch clock will be used in Double-A and Triple-A games in 2015, reports Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi.

Major League Baseball owners are seeking changes with the players union concerning the pace of play during games, according to the report. But the majors will not use pitch clock this season.


Love it. Games should not be over 2 1/2 hours. Now get rid of home plate umpires and have the machine call balls and strikes so the actual strike zone is enforced.
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