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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/26/2015 2:18:58 PM   
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Oh, I'm sure this will go swimmingly:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/12231547/new-york-yankees-devising-legal-arguments-alex-rodriguez-able-collect-bonuses

You can guarantee there's going to be marketing of those milestones (from which the Yankees benefit), so this should get interesting...

Poll question: Where does ARod end up in HR's? He'll turn 40 in July and currently has 654. He's currently under contract through 2017.

He may struggle to get to 700. Hit 16 and 18 in 2011 and 2012, and 7 in his 1/3 season in 2013.

ARod and Bonds really are perplexing cases. Both can easily have a case as top 5 players EVER. And both detested by many.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/26/2015 7:51:54 PM   
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I can't stand pretty much anything about Olbermann but he has a good piece talking about how shifts began...in 1870!

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/26/2015 10:08:22 PM   
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I can't stand pretty much anything about Olbermann but he has a good piece talking about how shifts began...in 1870!


I'm still waiting for the team that puts a rover in LF to defend Joe Mauer AB.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/26/2015 10:10:21 PM   
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I can't stand pretty much anything about Olbermann but he has a good piece talking about how shifts began...in 1870!


I'm still waiting for the team that puts a rover in LF to defend Joe Mauer AB.


Can you imagine if a few teams try it and Joe starts getting his flares to LF caught? Bremer will hemorrhage.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/27/2015 10:44:02 AM   
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post/_/id/9260

Banning defensive shifts is an absurd idea

By Buster Olney | ESPN Insider

At the start of every round of batting practice, hitters of all shapes and sizes and power potential are expected to drop two bunts, whether it's Billy Hamilton or Miguel Cabrera, Dee Gordon or Jose Abreu. Depending on the player, this is sometimes done haphazardly, more as a part of the warmup process -- for the batting-practice pitcher as well as the hitter -- than as actual preparation.

After that, most hitters are expected to swing as if executing a hit-and-run, slapping the ball to the opposite field as a runner, real or imagined, breaks from first base.

These are elements of play that have been mostly ignored over the past 30 years, with most teams expecting the majority of their hitters to wait patiently for strikes before looking to drive the ball. Walks and homers became the building blocks of the best offenses.

But there was a precipitous drop in offense last season, in an era when radical defensive shifts are becoming standard operating procedure, and more and more teams have had discussions this winter about what counter attack to take. Some teams have spent more time talking about bunting -- about evaluating situations in which a bunt attempt could be appropriate within current climate, while also placing a greater focus on identifying players less likely to be constricted by a shift.

This has become part of the ebb and flow in the tides of baseball offense, following the time when pitchers first started throwing overhand, then the deadball era, then the offensive explosion in the 1930s, the run-production decline of the '60s that led to the lowering of the mound, and, for about 20 years, the steroid era.

So it's startling that new commissioner Rob Manfred might embrace the idea of banning defensive shifts, if necessary. He acknowledged that in an interview with Karl Ravech.

Here's a transcript of that portion of the conversation, so you get the complete context:
Ravech: If you had a broad brush, and the goal was to be as radical as you can be with regard to the way the game is played on the field, what would you do?

Manfred: Well, I think that … I would think about two sets of changes. The first is the set of changes we just talked about in, in terms of the pace of the game. And I would be aggressive about using the clock over the long haul. I think it's a helpful thing in terms of moving the game along. I think the second set of changes that I would look at is related. And that relates to injecting additional offense in the game. For example, things like eliminating shifts. I would be open to those sorts of ideas.

Ravech: Forward thinking, Sabermetric defensive shifts?

Manfred: That's what I'm talking about, yes.

Ravech: Let's eliminate that?

Manfred: Uh-huh.

Ravech: So do you then draw lines by which your second baseman --

Manfred: Well, I think you need --

Ravech: … needs to stand or you can't go to the left side of the bag?

Manfred: I think it's the latter. You got to have somebody -- you know, you divide the number of players who have to be each side of second base.

This is a really, really bad idea that should be dismissed quickly, as it was by the general managers who discussed it in a meeting last fall. Some old-school teams that have yet to embrace shifts backed the idea, but the more progressive teams widely rejected it, and rightly so.

As teams increasingly used shifts in recent years, some frustrated hitters have privately advocated for this kind of rule change. In listening to the complaints, I must admit that it was sometimes difficult to stifle laughter, just as it was when pitchers griped about the shrinking outfield dimensions of the ballparks in the '90s. I heard stories about pitchers taking tape measures onto fields at places like Camden Yards, where pitchers have questioned whether the distance from home plate to left-center field is actually 364 feet.

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Defensive shifts might not be too well-liked by some of the game's top sluggers, but they're a necessary part of baseball's evolution.
But mostly, pitchers and catchers and managers and front offices did what generations of competitors in all sports have done for years: They adapted. And in baseball, those changes have taken on many forms, from drug-testing to the application of information. More pitchers started using the cut fastball, choosing to value movement over velocity. Managers and front offices have increasingly limited the vulnerability of their pitchers, removing tiring starting pitchers earlier, using more relievers for shorter stints, in which pitchers are throwing harder.

For more than a century, defensive alignments have been adjusted, but often blindly, given the lack of statistical data to support the common alterations. It became standard operating procedure for managers to position their infielders in or back, or to ask their corner infielders to guard the lines in the late innings, to have their outfielders play deeper when protecting a lead. Lou Boudreau famously employed a shift against Ted Williams in 1946, and since then, this has become a more common practice against sluggers intent on pulling the ball.

But in recent years, the Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee Brewers embraced two very simple questions: Where is the hitter most likely to hit the ball, and based on that, what is the best way to plot the fielders?

These questions are a long time coming; what took them so long to get to this moment, we can all wonder. They are part of the same family of inquiry that led hitters to anticipate where a pitcher will throw his next pitch and what that pitch will be, and a pitcher identifying the best way to beat the hitter standing at the plate.

Pushing for rules to restrict defensive positioning would be as absurd and antithetical to the game as informing pitchers they can throw only pitches that are straight, or telling hitters they aren't allowed to swing at a hanging curveball.

First, the practical application of the sort of rule that Manfred discussed with Ravech is bound to be far more complicated than the new commissioner envisions. Some folks in the sport quickly riffed through some of those on Sunday: Will there be a line in the middle of the field limiting the movements of the infielders? Could the shortstop or second baseman straddle the line, or merely keep a foot on the line? Could the infielder move as the pitch is being delivered? Who would monitor those movements? If there was a violation of the rule, what would be the remedy? Would the movement of the fielders be subject to review?

What if teams became more creative in shifting against a big slugger such as David Ortiz? What if the second baseman played in short right field, the center fielder moved close to the infield, the left fielder moved toward left center and the third baseman went to left field? Will all fielders be restricted in their pre-pitch movements? Will it be like an NBA foul shot, so that a player isn't allowed to cross a line until the pitch is released?

And what if a manager wanted to employ a five-man infield, which has been an oft-used strategy when a decisive run is at third base? Would that be allowed?

At the heart of this debate, there is this: Should teams no longer be allowed to place fielders where they think the hitter is going to hit the ball?

That's a thought that doesn't seem far removed from telling Andrelton Simmons he's not allowed to throw hard to first base, or telling Juan Lagares he isn't permitted to run too far for a fly ball in the gap.

There are other ways to adjust the game if offense is needed. Lowering the mound, for example, a proven elixir, or giving different instructions to the umpires about how to interpret the strike zone.

But if Charles Darwin were alive and applied the principle of survival of the fittest, he might see baseball as in the midst of a transition. He might argue that hitters need to adapt, understanding they aren't all as good as Ted Williams was and that there might be situations in which dropping a bunt to an open side of an infield is the appropriate response to a shift. Cubs manager Joe Maddon, who's managed against David Ortiz for years, talked recently about how Ortiz is one of the few hitters willing to take a bunt hit.

Over time, teams will inevitably assess a higher value on players -- those in the big leagues, in the minors and even amateurs -- who are capable of hitting the ball to all fields. Teams will evaluate how easily defensed a particular hitter is, and quite simply, they’ll look for batters who they believe will have the most effective swings for the current conditions. There are still seven fielders behind the pitcher, and no matter how they are aligned, there are vast areas for hitters to exploit.

The tides changed in recent years, and the castles hitters enjoyed for years have crumbled. Now it's up to hitters to respond, and for scouts and general managers to respond, rather than asking managers and fielders to effectively play with a hand tied behind their backs. It's not the baseball God-given right of sluggers to swing as hard as they can and get results, and Manfred shouldn't feel compelled to step in and protect them.

Former big leaguer Adam Everett talks about shifts, and the buy-in within the Astros' organization.

More on Manfred

• Jerry Crasnick writes about Manfred's long history in baseball before ascending to the throne.

• Manfred is determined to steer more young people to the sport, writes Tyler Kepner. Within this Kepner sidebar, Manfred addresses the issue of why Mets majority owner Fred Wilpon was made the chairman of Major League Baseball's finance committee at a time when the Mets have one of the smallest payrolls in the game and a lot of Mets fans are incredibly frustrated with the team's spending. From the piece:
"I understand the whole Madoff thing," Manfred said, "but before and since, Fred Wilpon was an extraordinarily successful businessman. The committee -- the finance and compensation committee -- really deals with two issues, principally: executive compensation, which he's more than capable of dealing with, and a central office budget. Obviously, to be a successful businessman, you have to know how to budget."
Around the league

• Major League Baseball in the Bay Area has Bud Selig's stamp, writes John Shea.

• Mike Napoli considered retiring, given a problem that plagued him. He is sleeping much better now, he says.

• Jered Weaver wants to pitch deeper into games, writes Mike DiGiovanna.

• The Brewers are discussing a reunion with K-Rod, again. That makes sense. He wants to be a closer, and since the Brewers' trade for Jonathan Papelbon didn't/hasn't gone through, the Brewers have one of the last -- if not the last -- closer jobs available.

• A Phillies prospect had a huge day in the clinching game of the Dominican winter ball championship series.

• The talks between the Blue Jays and Orioles about Dan Duquette may or may not be over. The Blue Jays are looking elsewhere, writes Shi Davidi. The two sides have never been close to a deal, writes Roch Kubatko.

We'll see if the two sides re-engage.

• Tom Kelly hopes to get clearance to be at spring training.

• It's great for Ichiro that he has a landing spot for 2015 after working out a one-year deal with the Marlins. He can now continue his move toward 3,000 hits in Major League Baseball; he needs just 155.

That said, it's really unclear exactly how Ichiro fits with the Marlins, because he really doesn't complement what they have, which is the best overall outfield in the majors (Giancarlo Stanton, Marcell Ozuna and Christian Yelich). At this stage of his career, Ichiro is still a good outfielder, but the Marlins' starting outfielders are all good defensively, so Ichiro won't be needed as a late-inning defensive upgrade. He doesn't hit for power, which limits his value as a pinch-hitter. Ichiro could be used in situations in which the Marlins need a hitter to put the ball in play, or as a pinch-runner, but on this roster, he's kind of a square peg for a round hole.

Moves, deals and decisions

1. The Yankees are prepared to fight with Alex Rodriguez over money.

2. Ryan Flaherty agreed to a 2015 contract.

3. The Red Sox avoided arbitration with two pitchers.

NL West

• Logan White is invigorated by his new role with the Padres.

NL Central

• The Brewers' Jimmy Nelson says he's ready to go.

• Billy Hamilton is looking to put two solid halves together.

AL West

• Josh Hamilton's goal for the upcoming season: Keep it simple, and hit 30 homers.

• Jeff Banister explains how he will foster an important working relationship.

AL Central

• For the Tigers, 2015 won't be quite so easy, writes Bob Wojnowski.

• The Tigers have their sights set high, writes Peter Gammons.

• Billy Butler says he'd be more than happy to return to the Royals someday.

• Alex Meyer is looking at another late bloomer as inspiration.

• White Sox manager Robin Ventura is really happy about the mood at the team's SoxFest this winter, writes Colleen Kane.

• Avisail Garcia dropped some weight.

• The White Sox have ground to make up.

Lastly

• The city of Chicago and the Cubs will honor Ernie Banks on Wednesday. Ernie Banks' statue will be placed in Daley Plaza.

• Banks' son shared some memories of his father.

• Ernie Banks' family released more information.

• Thom Loverro writes that Ernie Banks was a greater champion than Bill Belichick.

• Banks found joy in baseball.

And today will be better than yesterday.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/27/2015 11:04:05 AM   
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Telling teams how they can play defense
Hmm
This new commish and me won't be getting along methinks

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/28/2015 4:30:25 PM   
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Would not be surprised if the Twins pursue Viciedo

The White Sox announced that they have signed infielder Gordon Beckham to a one-year, $2MM contract and designated outfielder Dayan Viciedo for assignment in order to clear a space on the 40-man roster

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/28/2015 11:12:22 PM   
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Would not be surprised if the Twins pursue Viciedo

The White Sox announced that they have signed infielder Gordon Beckham to a one-year, $2MM contract and designated outfielder Dayan Viciedo for assignment in order to clear a space on the 40-man roster


Is he even worth pursuing?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/30/2015 12:38:17 PM   
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Yankees To Sign Scott Baker To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams [January 30, 2015 at 12:15pm CST]


The Yankees have agreed to terms on a minor league contract with longtime Twins right-hander Scott Baker, reports Matt Eddy of Baseball America (on Twitter).

Baker was a mainstay in the Twins’ rotation during their run at the top of the division, but he underwent Tommy John surgery in Spring Training of 2012 and has yet to re-establish himself as a reliable rotation cog in the Major Leagues. Baker has spent the past two seasons in the Cubs and Rangers organizations, working to a combined 5.17 ERA in 95 2/3 innings of work.

Prior to those struggles and his surgery, however, Baker was a solid, if unspectacular mid-rotation arm for Minnesota. He averaged 181 innings of 4.11 ERA ball (103 ERA+) from 2008-10 with the Twins before seemingly taking a significant step forward in a 2011 season that was cut short by injury. Baker notched just 134 2/3 innings that year but had turned in a pristine 3.14 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 prior to being shut down. Metrics such as his 3.45 FIP and 3.43 SIERA reflected genuine improvement as well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 1/30/2015 12:54:40 PM   
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Scott Baker and the new Yankee Stadium probably not a great marriage.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/2/2015 3:24:15 PM   
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2:22pm: The Rockies are in agreement with right-hander John Axford on a minor league contract with an invite to Spring Training

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/2/2015 3:59:48 PM   
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Yankees To Sign Scott Baker To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams [January 30, 2015 at 12:15pm CST]


The Yankees have agreed to terms on a minor league contract with longtime Twins right-hander Scott Baker, reports Matt Eddy of Baseball America (on Twitter).

Baker was a mainstay in the Twins’ rotation during their run at the top of the division, but he underwent Tommy John surgery in Spring Training of 2012 and has yet to re-establish himself as a reliable rotation cog in the Major Leagues. Baker has spent the past two seasons in the Cubs and Rangers organizations, working to a combined 5.17 ERA in 95 2/3 innings of work.

Prior to those struggles and his surgery, however, Baker was a solid, if unspectacular mid-rotation arm for Minnesota. He averaged 181 innings of 4.11 ERA ball (103 ERA+) from 2008-10 with the Twins before seemingly taking a significant step forward in a 2011 season that was cut short by injury. Baker notched just 134 2/3 innings that year but had turned in a pristine 3.14 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 prior to being shut down. Metrics such as his 3.45 FIP and 3.43 SIERA reflected genuine improvement as well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/2/2015 6:14:13 PM   
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Yankees To Sign Scott Baker To Minor League Deal

By Steve Adams [January 30, 2015 at 12:15pm CST]


The Yankees have agreed to terms on a minor league contract with longtime Twins right-hander Scott Baker, reports Matt Eddy of Baseball America (on Twitter).

Baker was a mainstay in the Twins’ rotation during their run at the top of the division, but he underwent Tommy John surgery in Spring Training of 2012 and has yet to re-establish himself as a reliable rotation cog in the Major Leagues. Baker has spent the past two seasons in the Cubs and Rangers organizations, working to a combined 5.17 ERA in 95 2/3 innings of work.

Prior to those struggles and his surgery, however, Baker was a solid, if unspectacular mid-rotation arm for Minnesota. He averaged 181 innings of 4.11 ERA ball (103 ERA+) from 2008-10 with the Twins before seemingly taking a significant step forward in a 2011 season that was cut short by injury. Baker notched just 134 2/3 innings that year but had turned in a pristine 3.14 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 prior to being shut down. Metrics such as his 3.45 FIP and 3.43 SIERA reflected genuine improvement as well.


Solid and yet unspectacular. Sounds like a shoe-in for the Twins HOF.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/3/2015 6:28:19 AM   
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Baker was always a mental weakling to me. He has no chance in NY.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/3/2015 7:35:58 AM   
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Scott Baker and the new Yankee Stadium probably not a great marriage.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/3/2015 8:22:23 AM   
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Dave Bergman, master of the hidden-ball trick, dead at 61

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/dave-bergman--master-of-the-hidden-ball-trick--dead-at-61-212803914.html

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/3/2015 1:16:58 PM   
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He was on the 1987 team. I remember him. 61 is too young. Sad.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/3/2015 6:30:23 PM   
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I can't stand pretty much anything about Olbermann but he has a good piece talking about how shifts began...in 1870!


I'm still waiting for the team that puts a rover in LF to defend Joe Mauer AB.


Can you imagine if a few teams try it and Joe starts getting his flares to LF caught? Bremer will hemorrhage.


There is no rational reason for any team to have their right fielder playing where a right fielder typically plays when Mauer comes up:


You can literally count on one hand the amount of flies he to right field. I'd be willing to wager that most of his hits into right were on the ground.

A right fielder should play almost in center field since Mauer simply refuses to turn on a baseball. The center fielder and left fielder should take care of the left side of the outfield. One should play close to the line and the other in shallow left. This would force Mauer to pull the ball and I doubt he can without striking out more and hitting the ball on the ground tons of times, which would = lots of double plays

There are boatloads of anecdotal records to support what I am saying in regards to where he puts the ball in play. This is not "subjective analysis" and therefore I don't see how anything I said here can be viewed as "bashing"

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/4/2015 10:11:19 AM   
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Los Angeles Angels outfielder Josh Hamilton will be out for six to eight weeks after undergoing shoulder surgery, the team announced Tuesday. He is doubtful for Opening Day, the team said.

Hamilton's injury is to the AC joint, which also hampered him last season. He began to experience pain in the shoulder when he began taking more intense batting practice sessions last week.

The surgery will be performed Wednesday and Hamilton could resume baseball activities in a little as three weeks.

Injuries limited Hamilton to just 89 games last season. He tied a career-low with 10 home runs and had a career-low 44 RBI and .414 slugging percentage.

The 33-year-old has three years remaining on his five-year, $125 million contract.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/5/2015 2:11:04 PM   
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Report is cubbies "kicking tires" on Shields

Which has more substance than if the Twins "Kick tires" or "are in" on someone.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/5/2015 2:46:35 PM   
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I've always liked VMart and wish him no ill-will, but the Tigers are breaking down right before our eyes. Maybe they have 1-2 more years in them in contention (max), but they're about toast IMO. And when they fully crash, it's going to be HARD. They'll be in the cellar of our division again within 2-3 years at the most IMO.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12284767/victor-martinez-detroit-tigers-torn-medial-meniscus

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/5/2015 5:36:09 PM   
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With Victor out, it's hard to imagine the Tigers winning the division. Royals have the upper hand on the Indians, but it should actually be a pretty close battle between the 4 non-Twins clubs.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/5/2015 10:08:45 PM   
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Both Miggy and Verlander figure to have bounceback years this years (still possible they regress further), but right now the Tigers have lost their best hitter from last year and their best pitcher. And the Porcello/Cespedes deal was awful for them.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/6/2015 10:58:36 AM   
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More and more talk that Shields is going to end up with the Padres.

I still don't see them making the playoffs this year with or without Shields, but you have to give it to them for trying.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 7:01:32 AM   
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More and more talk that Shields is going to end up with the Padres.

I still don't see them making the playoffs this year with or without Shields, but you have to give it to them for trying.


looks like 4 years/72-78mill

so not as "big game" as he was hoping.

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