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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 8:45:27 AM   
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I'm not a Shields fan, and it's still too much money IMO, but he should be a good fit in that park, assuming his outfield defense can cover even half of the outfield effectively. The Friars will be really fun to keep an eye on this year.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:02:02 AM   
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I'd be a little miffed if I was a loyal KC fan.
They seem to be following some sort of Twins plan.
Rest on laurels . Never works.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:03:11 AM   
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The Fathers are aggressive!
I likey!
Great OF

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:06:06 AM   
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They're going to struggle for SP this year methinks. Volquez is not all that great anymore, especially in the AL.

They really need Ventura to become dominant (I have my doubts if his health can hold up with that kind of velocity) and Medlen to be good.

The things that they will keep, and what got them where they were last year; a dominant bullpen, defense, and baserunning.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:07:20 AM   
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Yost got his extension.

Agree on the follow-up plan for KC.

Standing Pat is no follow up.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:11:49 AM   
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I'd have kept Billy Butler before I kept Neddy Yostenhire, but maybe that's just me.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:16:12 AM   
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Maybe the retired redneck can get a consulting gig there

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 10:37:16 AM   
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Maybe the retired redneck can get a consulting gig there


I think he already did...last year.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 11:51:28 AM   
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Seemed to me Shields did enough for the Royals where they could have given him 4/$75. I'd be an upset Royals fan too.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 11:54:48 AM   
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Shields and agent over-estimated his market.

12:35pm: Shields’s option is worth $16MM, and the contract contains no incentives, tweets Cotillo. The deal can max out at $91MM over five years if the option is picked up.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/9/2015 1:14:40 PM   
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Would you pay Shields that though? I wouldn't. Am glad the Twins didn't. To me he's kind of a "middle level" guy that hurts your payroll. I think the same of college coaches that get $3-4M. Umm, ok, but in that situation go break the bank for the Saban/Meyer/Harbaugh that's really going to make a difference. Same thing here. If you're willing to pay 4 years/$80M for Shields, then you should instead go 6/$150 for Lester or Scherzer. IMO. Shields is a lot closer to a Hughes level than he is to a Lester/Scherzer/Hamels "ace" level IMO.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/10/2015 2:32:29 PM   
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Law on the Shields deal. Interesting thought on a possible future trade for Hamels. Would be a really cool story to see him go back home to San Diego:

The San Diego Padres are now in a strange position, but one that gives them significant power to do something more to improve their roster before the season starts: They have too many starting pitchers.

Signing James Shields -- more on the contract itself in a moment -- gives them six pitchers who are capable of handling 150 or so innings in a major league rotation and three others who might contribute something less than that this year. That should be enough to get them 1,000 innings from their starters even if they choose to deal one of them.

Shields and Ian Kennedy are the best bets to take the ball 33 times and reach 200 innings. Tyson Ross and Andrew Cashner have better upside on a per-inning basis, but neither is a good bet to stay healthy for a full season. Odrisamer Despaigne, signed for a song by the last front office in San Diego, is probably just a fifth starter in the long run, but he made 23 pro starts last year and doesn't seem to expend much effort that might concern you about his durability. Prospect Matt Wisler, who just missed my top 100 this winter, could be any team's fifth or sixth starter right away.

They also have lefty Robbie Erlin, who has had elbow issues for a few years but finished healthy in 2014; Brandon Morrow, whom I like more as a swingman or two-inning reliever but who was a full-time starter in 2010 and 2011; and Josh Johnson, due back around midyear and usually effective during his brief flirtations with full health. Maybe they will even get some use from Casey Kelly, whose return from Tommy John surgery hasn't been as smooth as they originally hoped.

That's a long way of saying that whatever the Padres think they still need, they at least have the starting pitching to make a run. That could mean packaging two of these guys -- one of the oft-injured starters plus Wisler -- in a deal to try to get Cole Hamels so they have a more reliable guy at the top of the rotation. Maybe they go after a legitimate shortstop or a better first-base option than Yonder Alonso. They could use another left-handed bat, and if Cameron Maybin is on the bench, which you have to assume he is after they acquired three starting outfielders, they don't have a true center fielder in their every-day lineup.

The Padres are an odd team, with enough aggregate talent to contend but one of the most peculiar roster constructions I have ever seen. Trading someone like Cashner or Ross before either suffers another catastrophic injury could make the team better while also converting high-risk assets into shorter-term value.

Shields signed right in the range I expected for him; Dan Szymborski broke down the contract with ZiPS projections that all seem right in line with my own expectations for Shields.

He's a line-drive/fly ball pitcher going to a park that helps those guys, and I think his preference for pitching up in the zone will work well in the 16 or so home starts he makes each year -- at least a little better than it would work elsewhere. He's worth anywhere from two to four wins over what he's replacing, depending on how much you want to bet on some of those fifth- and sixth-starter types staying healthy, but I think the bigger value he provides is creating a surplus that could let GM A.J. Preller make another deal now, in July or, given his propensity to shuffle his roster, any time in between. It's an opportunity to reduce their reliance on unreliable starters while perhaps filling one of the various areas of need mentioned above.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/10/2015 4:33:39 PM   
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The legend re-surfaces

The Braves have inked righty Matt Capps to a minor league deal, David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports on Twitter. An eight-year big league veteran, Capps has not worked in the majors since 2012 and has thrown few minor league innings over the last two seasons owing to injury struggles. The former Pirates, Nationals, and Twins closer is still only 31 years old. He owns a 3.52 ERA over 439 2/3 lifetime frames at the game’s highest level, with 6.5 K/9 against 1.7 BB/9.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/10/2015 4:40:23 PM   
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The legend re-surfaces

The Braves have inked righty Matt Capps to a minor league deal, David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports on Twitter. An eight-year big league veteran, Capps has not worked in the majors since 2012 and has thrown few minor league innings over the last two seasons owing to injury struggles. The former Pirates, Nationals, and Twins closer is still only 31 years old. He owns a 3.52 ERA over 439 2/3 lifetime frames at the game’s highest level, with 6.5 K/9 against 1.7 BB/9.



He looked about 34 when he pitched for the Twins.....I can't believe he is only 31

I went from 25 to 55, overnight, when I heard about the trade of Capps for Ramos.

Gardy and his trade suggestions aged us all before our time.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/10/2015 7:26:26 PM   
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Matt Capps for Ramos was horrible on principle. This is why so many people hated the trade right off the bat. You don't trade a good hitting catching prospect that is ready to play at the major league level for a middle reliever. The Twins made it even worse and miscast Capps as a closer.

I will never forget the Twins trying to sell the deal by saying Matt Capps was a "high character guy"
One Twins executive/scout laid down a line I will never forget in reference to Capps: "His makeup is off the charts"

We could only assume the same thought process was in place when they traded Hardy for Hoey.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/11/2015 9:01:49 AM   
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Had almost forgotten that horrible idea, and then, you go and add salt by mentioning an even worse one .....

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/11/2015 10:02:48 AM   
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Had almost forgotten that horrible idea, and then, you go and add salt by mentioning an even worse one .....


The glory days of the Ron Gardenhire era and his wonderful ability to assess player personnel

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 2/11/2015 10:24:36 AM   
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Matt Capps for Ramos was horrible on principle. This is why so many people hated the trade right off the bat. You don't trade a good hitting catching prospect that is ready to play at the major league level for a middle reliever. The Twins made it even worse and miscast Capps as a closer.



What makes it even worse is that Jon Rausch was doing ok in the closer role at the time and it was all just a hold the position until Nathan came back spot anyway. 

Ramos has had trouble staying healthy but the dude could destroy baseballs when healthy.  Should have kept him.  But Ronny like Drew Butera better...dumb ****


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Had almost forgotten that horrible idea, and then, you go and add salt by mentioning an even worse one .....


The glory days of the Ron Gardenhire era and his wonderful ability to assess player personnel

Oh .... But wait ..... He didn't have ANYTHING to do with personnel decisions.

Sheople will STILL argue that one.

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What really made it worse was that we got a better guy in Brian Fuentes for free just a couple weeks later, showing just how stupid it was.

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What really made it worse was that we got a better guy in Brian Fuentes for free just a couple weeks later, showing just how stupid it was.


Fuentes was a huge addition and along with Roach, Capps was not necessary.

It is really hard to decide which was worse, Ramos for Capps or Hardy for Hoey.

Both were sooooo bad.

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What really made it worse was that we got a better guy in Brian Fuentes for free just a couple weeks later, showing just how stupid it was.


Fuentes was a huge addition and along with Roach, Capps was not necessary.

It is really hard to decide which was worse, Ramos for Capps or Hardy for Hoey.

Both were sooooo bad.


Which is worse?

Hitler or Stalin..

Which is better?

IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY BOTH SUCKED.

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Leon Trotsky might beg to differ.

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Kurkijan just reporting the White Sox will be the ALs most-improved squad.
Skilz head will explode with that news.

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Kurkijan just reporting the White Sox will be the ALs most-improved squad.
Skilz head will explode with that news.


Because we all know its the Red Sox that are most improved.........

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