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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 12:07:49 PM   
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Of course the A's had the pitching too (starting pitching). But it was mostly a matter of their offense failing in the postseason that kept them from winning (or getting to) a WS.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 12:10:01 PM   
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SO WITH ALL those decidedly average stats, exactly how did Kansas City win the World Series? By assembling undervalued players to form a devastating weapon: defense.

Defense and bullpen arms. That was the key.

Verducci is an idiot.



So is Ryan for believing Park/Sano/Arcia will be decent defensively in the outfield.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 12:21:44 PM   
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SO WITH ALL those decidedly average stats, exactly how did Kansas City win the World Series? By assembling undervalued players to form a devastating weapon: defense.

Defense and bullpen arms. That was the key.

Verducci is an idiot.


What Verducci doesn't understand is that Moneyball wasn't simply about finding guys with high obp......it evolves.....it looks for undervalued components of the game and collects those components that can be obtained on the cheap.

And agree.....defense and bullpen pitching are easier to maintain and avoid slumps as compared to offense.

Unless one of your bullpen guys is Glen Perkins.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 12:26:44 PM   
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"chicks dig pitching and defense"


NOPE
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 12:40:30 PM   
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Sandy Alderson diagnosed with treatable form of cancer. 8-12 weeks of chemo ahead.

one of the first responses

"that's what they said about Flip"

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:03:23 PM   
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Buster Olney, ESPN Staff/Senior Writer

Stacking the top of the leaderboard of center fielders is relatively simple because The Best Player on the Planet is at No. 1 -- that would be Mike Trout, of course -- and Andrew McCutchen is a solid No. 2 pick.

However, one evaluator who was asked for his input said there may be an intruder in the world of Trout and McCutchen very soon, because of the progress of Arizona’s A.J. Pollock. "I don't think a lot of fans and media understand how good he really is," the evaluator said.

The Diamondbacks certainly do, which is why they intend to follow up on discussions about a long-term deal with him later this winter, once other significant winter work is completed and Arizona begins to prepare for arbitration. Pollock will turn 28 Saturday, has a little over three years of service time and is coming off a season in which he compiled 65 extra-base hits, 111 runs and 39 stolen bases.

When Arizona has asked other teams about possible deals for pitching, Pollock's name has been mentioned repeatedly, and the Diamondbacks quickly deflect. "We aren't going to trade him," one Arizona official said.

Pollock is almost untouchable, Diamondbacks CEO Derrick Hall said Wednesday night.

Ranking the top 10 center fielders in MLB:

1. Mike Trout, Los Angeles Angels

Mike TroutHe just had his 24th birthday in August, and yet sometime during the 2016 season, he'll probably hit the 150th homer of his career and score the 500th run, and by season's end, he'll be closing in on 1,000 hits. That is nuts. He is the only player in history to finish first or second in the MVP voting in each of his first four seasons.

2. Andrew McCutchen, Pittsburgh Pirates

Andrew McCutchenNext season, the drumbeat about his contract situation begins. Under the terms of the deal he signed with the Pirates, he has three years left, including a team option for 2018. McCutchen, 29, is building a formidable legacy, with five All-Star appearances and four consecutive years in which he has finished in the top five in the NL MVP voting. He seemingly has gotten more and more efficient in situational hitting as he gets more adept at picking pitches: He batted .361 last season with runners in scoring position.


Andrew McCutchen batting with RISP



Batting average

Slugging percentage

OBP


2015 .361 .494 .656
2014 .303 .440 .447
2013 .282 .389 .365
2012 .326 .442 .533
2011 .285 .387 .550
2010 .255 .364 .351

Plus McCutchen keeps doing stuff like this.

3. A.J. Pollock, Arizona Diamondbacks

A.J. PollockTo go with some of the offensive numbers mentioned above, the Diamondbacks center fielder was in the top 10 in the majors in WAR in 2015. Pollack hit 20 homers in 2015, more than twice his previous season high of eight in 2013.

4. Lorenzo Cain, Kansas City Royals

Lorenzo CainThe guy who ranked right behind Pollock in WAR was Cain, who continues to mature as a hitter. His rates of contact went up, his percentage of missed swings went down -- from 11 percent in 2014 to 8.4 percent last year -- and Cain racked up 101 runs in just 140 games last season, with a career-high slugging percentage of .477. Cain ranked in the top 10 among all fielders in defensive runs saved.

5. Mookie Betts, Boston Red Sox

Mookie BettsSome evaluators actually ranked Betts as high as third in this top 10 because of his extraordinary progress and what they perceive to be a serious devotion to improving. It was just four years ago that the Red Sox selected Betts in the fifth round of the draft, and already he is doing serious damage at the plate. He finished last season with 68 extra-base hits -- 42 doubles, eight triples and 18 homers. At a time when consistent contact is an increasingly rare commodity, Betts has some very Dustin Pedroia-like numbers: 86 extra-base hits and just 113 strikeouts in 197 games.

Keep in mind that Betts was struggling early in the 2015 season, hitting .221 on May 17. From that point forward, he batted .312, with an .861 OPS. Not surprisingly, other teams keep asking about him in trade talks, and not surprisingly, the Red Sox say no.

6. Adam Jones, Baltimore Orioles

Adam JonesThe Orioles center fielder has been incredibly consistent over the past seven seasons, posting an OPS in the range of .767 to .839 with at least 19 homers and 49 extra-base hits. In 2015, he hit 25 homers with 82 RBIs in 137 games.

7. Kevin Kiermaier, Tampa Bay Rays

Kevin KiermaierThe Rays center fielder posted a staggering DRS total of 42, nearly lapping the player who finished second, Andrelton Simmons. So despite some questions about how good of a hitter he will be moving forward (he hit .263 with 24 walks in 151 games), his glovework is so good that even some traditional scouts ranked him high on this list.

8. Dexter Fowler, free agent

Dexter FowlerHe scored 102 runs for the Cubs last season while posting 149 hits, 84 walks and a more than respectable .346 on-base percentage. Plus he is a switch-hitter, hits for some power and steals some bases. He did not fare well in some defensive metrics, such as DRS.

9. Kevin Pillar, Toronto Blue Jays

Kevin PillarEvaluators love how hard he plays and how he sells out in his defense. He was difference-maker for Toronto in 2015 and was right there with Pollock in DRS with 14. He's probably not higher on this list largely because of his on-base percentage -- he had 28 walks in 159 games -- and there is a curiosity about how the 26-year-old Pillar improves in the years ahead.

10. Adam Eaton, Chicago White Sox

Adam EatonLike a lot of the White Sox players, Eaton got off to a terrible start. But Eaton greatly improved as the 2015 season progressed, batting .335 after the All-Star break, 11th-best in the majors, and finishing with a career-high 14 homers and 58 RBIs.

Toughest guys to leave off

The Astros' Carlos Gomez. “When he’s healthy, he’s among the best [center fielders],” said one evaluator, and Gomez just wasn’t healthy last season, playing only 115 games.

The Rockies' Charlie Blackmon is widely respected for the type of player that he is, but as with other Colorado hitters, there is some mystery about exactly how good he is because of his Jekyll/Hyde home/road splits. Last season, he had an .890 OPS in games played in Colorado and a .695 OPS in road games. The theory of one evaluator is that Rockies hitters see such a completely different quality of breaking pitches when they play outside of Colorado that they struggle against sliders and curves.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:08:18 PM   
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Hicks should have made it at #10.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:15:03 PM   
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I can't believe Matt didn't point this out......

Mackey and Judd.....Songs by the Yule Log

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Tracy Claeys is Comin’ to Town

Young Purple QB (sung to the little drummer boy in the manner of Bing Crosby and David Bowie)

This is hilarious

http://www.1500espn.com/shows/mackey-and-judd/

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:19:00 PM   
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Hicks should have made it at #10.


Adam Eaton is a ChiSox puke

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:22:32 PM   
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Hicks should have made it at #10.


Adam Eaton is a ChiSox puke


He (Eaton) isn't that good. Couple of years and Buxton will be right behind Trout....even with McCutchen

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:23:40 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJBFD-Wvc7U

Will Ferrell and John Reilly doing Bing and Bowie

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:26:29 PM   
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Sandy Alderson diagnosed with treatable form of cancer. 8-12 weeks of chemo ahead.

one of the first responses

"that's what they said about Flip"



The ugly truth about cancer treatment. It's as dangerous as the cancer.

Chemo kills your immune system. Makes you susceptible to germs that would give the average human a sniffle. With chemo and no immune system, those germs can be deadly. This is how my fiancé died 8 years ago.

This is what I believe happened with Flip.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:36:27 PM   
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I can't believe Matt didn't point this out......

Mackey and Judd.....Songs by the Yule Log

Let is Sano

Tracy Claeys is Comin’ to Town

Young Purple QB (sung to the little drummer boy in the manner of Bing Crosby and David Bowie)

This is hilarious

http://www.1500espn.com/shows/mackey-and-judd/

I heard them doing some of these today, but I was in the middle of something less important.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:45:44 PM   
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Hicks should have made it at #10.

We wouldn't deal the 10th best CFer in the game ..... would we?
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:52:23 PM   
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I can't believe Matt didn't point this out......

Mackey and Judd.....Songs by the Yule Log

Let is Sano

Tracy Claeys is Comin’ to Town

Young Purple QB (sung to the little drummer boy in the manner of Bing Crosby and David Bowie)

This is hilarious

http://www.1500espn.com/shows/mackey-and-judd/

Use this link for the songs:

http://www.1500espn.com/mackey-and-judd-songs-by-the-yule-log/
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 1:58:06 PM   
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Some great lines in Tracy Claeys is Comin' to Town!
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 2:11:43 PM   
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Some great lines in Tracy Claeys is Comin' to Town!


The Claeys is Comin to Town is a take off on Bruce Springteen's version of Santa Claus is comin to town.

It is a classic.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 10:14:59 PM   
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What a deal for Greinke. Wow. Did NOT see that coming. Giants/Dodgers/Cubs are probably all reeling now. I think we're going to see some blockbuster deals for pitchers with those teams; wouldn't doubt if we see all of Jose Fernandez, Sonny Gray, and Shelby Miller move, among others.

Pollack and Betts are both going to be studs. Will be right in the conversation. I still like Buxton better than both longterm; all about health for him. But he can be truly special. He's got every tool. Hicks I do think can become a top 10 CF or so. I still see him being a Denard Span with more power, or Adam Jones-lite. But we have Buxton. Those 2 aren't comparable IMO. If Murphy becomes a solid catcher, we did okay.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 10:33:14 PM   
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Lackey to the Cubs

Grienke a shocker to the DBacks.

O'Day looks like Nats are the front runners

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/4/2015 11:52:25 PM   
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Didn't someone tell the Diamondbacks they have a salary cap?
Jeez, come on.
Pretty soon we will be the only ones .....

hey ..... wait ....... what the ........
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/5/2015 1:39:13 PM   
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The Giants have agreed to sign right-hander Jeff Samardzija to a five-year deal, CSNBayArea.com’s Alex Pavlovic reports (Twitter link). Samardzija will earn $90MM from the contract, according to Yahoo Sports’ Tim Brown (via Twitter). The contract contains a limited no-trade clause (as per CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman) and is pending a physical.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/5/2015 3:04:25 PM   
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Wrong thread.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/5/2015 6:44:42 PM   
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The Giants have agreed to sign right-hander Jeff Samardzija to a five-year deal, CSNBayArea.com’s Alex Pavlovic reports (Twitter link). Samardzija will earn $90MM from the contract, according to Yahoo Sports’ Tim Brown (via Twitter). The contract contains a limited no-trade clause (as per CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman) and is pending a physical.

Glad he's gone. He handled the Twins pretty well.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/6/2015 8:05:13 AM   
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Didn't someone tell the Giants they have a salary cap?
Jeez, come on.
Pretty soon we will be the only ones .....

hey ..... wait ....... what the ........
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 12/6/2015 11:37:55 AM   
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Olneys Top Ten MLB Catchers



With that, we finish up our positional rankings series by ranking Perez and others among baseball's top 10 catchers, based on input from evaluators and players:

1. Buster Posey, San Francisco Giants

Buster PoseyThe Giants would love to see him catch 100 to 110 games next season and play even more at first base, as they gradually transition him from behind the plate and keep his bat in the lineup. Posey hit .318 last year and drove in 95 runs despite the fact that San Francisco was beset by key injuries, including ones to Hunter Pence, Joe Panik and Angel Pagan. Posey also has become extremely adept at framing pitches, the details of which are posted on Statcorner.com; Posey ranked fourth in the majors at presentation, according to these metrics.

2. Yadier Molina, St. Louis Cardinals

Yadier MolinaScouts say there is some erosion in his skills, especially in his ability to block pitches in the dirt, and going into 2016, there are questions among rival evaluators about how much longer he can hold up under the incredible workload he fights to maintain. He has had eight seasons in the past decade in which he has played at least 124 games, and he needs only 64 games to reach 1,500 in his career. Only 30 catchers in the history of baseball have caught 1,500 MLB games, and if he catches 200 games over the next two seasons, he'll move into the top 20 of all time.

Molina has such value to the pitching staff and the coaching staff thanks to his preparation, knowledge and in-game calls that it's easy to overstate the importance of any current deficiencies. And he still shuts down running games: Last year, he allowed only 37 steals in 63 attempts.

3. Russell Martin, Toronto Blue Jays

Russell MartinMartin has played 10 seasons in the big leagues and has reached the playoffs in eight of those years -- remarkably for four different teams. Martin hit for more power last season, and he set a new career high in homers (23), although his on-base percentage slid 73 points, to .329. The Blue Jays felt that Martin had a significant impact on their clubhouse culture and their pitching staff as they reached the playoffs for the first time in 22 years, and he continues to throw the ball well.

By the way, Martin is approaching some benchmarks as well. He has 1,238 games caught, and sometime next season he'll likely pass Thurman Munson (1,278), and Bengie Molina (1,285).

4. Francisco Cervelli, Pittsburgh Pirates

Francisco CervelliHe's probably one of the most underrated players in MLB now, given how well he played -- without much notice -- in his first full season as a starter. Cervelli hit .295 with a .370 on-base percentage in 130 games (510 plate appearances) and had the best pitch-framing numbers of any catcher. The Pirates were thrilled with his energy and his preparation, and how invested he was in the pitching staff.

5. Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals

Salvador PerezThe 25-year-old catcher has improved his home run total in each of the past four seasons, and he mashed 21 in 2015. That's the offense. As for the defense, he has won three consecutive Gold Glove Awards. Some evaluators believe he does have some work to do in some of the finer points of catching -- game-calling, framing pitches, etc. -- but they respect him for the energy he carries onto the field daily.

6. Jonathan Lucroy, Milwaukee Brewers

Jonathan LucroyThe Brewers have started down what looks to be an extensive period of rebuilding, and it would seem to make sense for them to take advantage of Lucroy's trade value now, because he's 29 years old and Milwaukee would get a whole lot in return for a catcher who had 53 doubles among 173 hits in 2014. But Lucroy is perhaps the Brewers' best and most popular player, and other teams don't sense that Milwaukee is really prepared to move him. Injuries limited Lucroy to 103 games and a .717 OPS in 2015.

7. Yan Gomes, Cleveland Indians

Yan GomesHe got hurt early in the 2015 season, and it was as if he and the Indians spent the rest of the season digging out of that early setback. Gomes hit .231 for the season, almost 50 points lower than in 2014, but his work is still highly regarded in the industry, and the expectation among some evaluators is that he'll bounce back. Keep in mind the 28-year-old Gomes has caught only 311 games in the big leagues.

8. Yasmani Grandal, Los Angeles Dodgers

Yasmani GrandalThe best of the Dodgers' trades last winter was the deal they made for Grandal, eating a lot of Matt Kemp's contract in moving him to the San Diego Padres in exchange for Grandal in a five-player trade. After a strong first half, Grandal hit just .162, with a .498 OPS, in the second half, but he maintained his reputation as one of the best at presenting pitches to umpires: He ranked third among all catchers in this skill, according to Statcorner.com.

9. Brian McCann, New York Yankees

Brian McCannMcCann seemed more comfortable in his second year with the Yankees, improving his OPS from .692 to .757 and hitting 26 homers -- including the 200th of his career. McCann has a lot of respect from the team's pitching and coaching staffs for his diligent work behind the plate and the preparation he puts into each game. McCann, who turns 32 in February, also has eight straight seasons of at least 20 homers.

10. Devin Mesoraco, Cincinnati Reds

Devin MesoracoDue to a hip problem that eventually required surgery, Mesoraco was limited to only 23 games in 2015, and only six as a catcher. But he showed such promise in 2014, with 25 homers, that he still is well regarded among evaluators. His injury, a left hip impingement, is not common among catchers his age (27), and rival evaluators believe he must demonstrate again that he can handle the rigors of the position over a full season.

Toughest guys to leave off: Oakland's Stephen Vogt had an outstanding start last season, hitting .300 through the end of June and making the AL All-Star team. But the 31-year-old battled injuries and slumped down the stretch, finishing with a .261/.341/.443 line. Vogt started 89 games at catcher last season and had another 20 starts at first base, as well as 22 at-bats as a DH. … And finally, it was tough not to include the Cubs' Miguel Montero and Detroit's James McCann, who greatly impressed the Tigers' coaching staff.
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