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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/6/2017 10:25:19 PM   
Steve Lentz


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Big Francona fan here. Starting Bauer in game 1 may prove huge.

Yanks are especially dangerous offensively with Hicks and Bird contributing.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/6/2017 10:41:41 PM   
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Big Francona fan here. Starting Bauer in game 1 may prove huge.

Yanks are especially dangerous offensively with Hicks and Bird contributing.


I think Francona is as good as it gets.

Surprisingly, the Yankees don't have those big Left Bats like years past. Bird may get there. A park built for lefties, yet they have few.

Yankee pitching hasn't been the same since Stottlemyre left. They are way better on paper than they are in real life, big spots.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/6/2017 10:59:49 PM   
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Frenchie got suspended as Nats' assistant hitting coach

Something about an ex and photos he shared.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 8:23:09 AM   
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Frenchie got suspended as Nats' assistant hitting coach

Something about an ex and photos he shared.

Saw that
They have "assistant hitting coaches" now?
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 8:23:50 AM   
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Incredible Tribe comeback
They can do no wrong this season
The Astros/Indians final has the makings of a classic all-timer ...
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 8:26:26 AM   
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Didn't expect the Yankees to beat Kluber at home, they did. The overrated relief failed. Betances has become a bit of a head case.

Hard loss.

An all-timer

Cookbook managing takes down one of the best ... NO reason to lift Sabathia
Seems now, managers are afraid to get TOO MUCH out of their starters.
Let em go until they are in trouble, at least.

Girardi wont survive that game. He's toast.
Keeps saying "that's what we always do"

Yeah. But. This time it burned ya.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 5:40:19 PM   
SoMnFan


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Man, the Nats just never play well in the playoffs.
Cubs easing their way thru this series.
Up 3-1 already
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 6:23:30 PM   
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Still 3-1 in the 6th.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/7/2017 8:09:16 PM   
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6-3 Nationals

Life is good!
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 12:47:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

Didn't expect the Yankees to beat Kluber at home, they did. The overrated relief failed. Betances has become a bit of a head case.

Hard loss.

An all-timer

Cookbook managing takes down one of the best ... NO reason to lift Sabathia
Seems now, managers are afraid to get TOO MUCH out of their starters.
Let em go until they are in trouble, at least.

Girardi wont survive that game. He's toast.
Keeps saying "that's what we always do"

Yeah. But. This time it burned ya.

I’m not getting it either. The new way to manage in the postseason appears to be pull the starter at the first hint of trouble and ride the living hell out of your bullpen. Two, three, even four pitching changes an inning. Then oh yeah, ride the hell out of your closer after rarely if ever using him for more than an inning in the regular season.

I look at that Dodgers game tonight. LA emptied the bullpen early, and then killed Jansen at the end. I don’t believe they’d have given up more than five runs had their starter atleast pitched into the 6th. Over managing to the extreme in my opinion.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 7:20:34 AM   
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With the Indians and Yankees facing off in the American League Division Series, Anthony Castrovince of MLB.com flashes back five years to a decision that has impacted both franchises.

The Indians signed former Yankees outfielder Nick Swisher to a four-year, $56MM deal in December 2012, a move that didn’t pan out for Cleveland but did help lead to the Aaron Judge era in the Bronx.
By letting Swisher walk in free agency, the Yankees earned a compensatory draft pick in 2013, the 32nd selection, with which they chose Judge. Unsurprisingly, Cleveland passed on Judge at No. 5 in the first round (the Indians grabbed a different now-Yankees outfielder in Clint Frazier, whom the Tribe traded in a 2016 deal for reliever Andrew Miller), though one member of the club’s scouting department was particularly enamored of the hulking slugger.

“One of our scouts liked him over [No. 1 overall pick Mark] Appel, which is crazy to think about,” Indians president Chris Antonetti told Castrovince.
“It’s not necessarily how we had him on our board, but one of our scouts felt strongly about it. There were some questions about his size, but he also did a lot of things really well, and he was renowned for having a great makeup.”


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 7:33:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aaron Cross

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Didn't expect the Yankees to beat Kluber at home, they did. The overrated relief failed. Betances has become a bit of a head case.

Hard loss.

An all-timer

Cookbook managing takes down one of the best ... NO reason to lift Sabathia
Seems now, managers are afraid to get TOO MUCH out of their starters.
Let em go until they are in trouble, at least.

Girardi wont survive that game. He's toast.
Keeps saying "that's what we always do"

Yeah. But. This time it burned ya.

I’m not getting it either. The new way to manage in the postseason appears to be pull the starter at the first hint of trouble and ride the living hell out of your bullpen. Two, three, even four pitching changes an inning. Then oh yeah, ride the hell out of your closer after rarely if ever using him for more than an inning in the regular season.

I look at that Dodgers game tonight. LA emptied the bullpen early, and then killed Jansen at the end. I don’t believe they’d have given up more than five runs had their starter atleast pitched into the 6th. Over managing to the extreme in my opinion.

Good stuff
Can't agree more
Playoffs start and some of these guys lose their minds ...
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 7:34:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

6-3 Nationals

Life is good!

EXCELL-ante!!!!!!
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 9:54:05 AM   
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Yanks and Red Sox both face elimination today

The Nats big bats wake up just in time to save their season, at least prolong it a little.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 10:58:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Aaron Cross

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

Didn't expect the Yankees to beat Kluber at home, they did. The overrated relief failed. Betances has become a bit of a head case.

Hard loss.

An all-timer

Cookbook managing takes down one of the best ... NO reason to lift Sabathia
Seems now, managers are afraid to get TOO MUCH out of their starters.
Let em go until they are in trouble, at least.

Girardi wont survive that game. He's toast.
Keeps saying "that's what we always do"

Yeah. But. This time it burned ya.

I’m not getting it either. The new way to manage in the postseason appears to be pull the starter at the first hint of trouble and ride the living hell out of your bullpen. Two, three, even four pitching changes an inning. Then oh yeah, ride the hell out of your closer after rarely if ever using him for more than an inning in the regular season.

I look at that Dodgers game tonight. LA emptied the bullpen early, and then killed Jansen at the end. I don’t believe they’d have given up more than five runs had their starter atleast pitched into the 6th. Over managing to the extreme in my opinion.

Good stuff
Can't agree more
Playoffs start and some of these guys lose their minds ...

And I agree, pulling Sabathia was utter complete lunacy.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 2:58:07 PM   
SoMnFan


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Lack of power comes back to bite Red Sox again. Bases loaded, nobody out, unable to extra-base hit to score multiple runs. Single, single, walk, single, strikeout, fielder's choice, flyout nets only one run. Red Sox still haven't homered -- or had a lead -- through 20 innings of this ALDS.


Still 3-1 Stros
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/8/2017 3:17:28 PM   
SoMnFan


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Must be kinda nice to have David Price in the pen.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 7:10:56 AM   
SoMnFan


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Tanaka bails out NY with a gem.
Tough to do against that lineup
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 9:11:57 AM   
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Another 4 game marathon today!
Love it!
Wish we were a part of it.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 1:08:00 PM   
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Interesting to see these things in other clubhouses ...

The St. Louis Cardinals are in a bit of a slump. In 2017 they failed to make the playoffs for the second straight year, and some players think they know why that happened: it’s the new guys.
In the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Jose De Jesus Ortiz wrote a column that details some of the struggles the Cardinals had this season, mostly with the famed “Cardinal Way,” and how new players from other organizations had trouble following it. Ortiz paraphrases one unnamed Cardinals player two sentences into his article.
“ Look around, a Cardinal told me, and see how many of the guys making these mistakes came up through other organizations.
Actually, it’s not that new players had trouble following it. According to the article, new players just didn’t care enough.
“ On the field, the Cardinals were prone to make poor decisions on the base paths and in the field. In the clubhouse, players were privately griping about the lackadaisical atmosphere that could be described as part chess club, part video arcade, part ping pong tournament.
We never find out who the players “privately griping” were, though it’s reasonable to guess they’re one of the handful of veteran Cardinals players. Ortiz did mention some other names, though.
“ When teams are winning, the chess set, Brett Cecil’s video games and Jedd Gyorko’s ping pong prowess are embraced as great ways of relieving stress. When teams are winning, teammates hardly ever bother to notice or even care if Dexter Fowler is usually the last guy in the clubhouse and one of the first to leave.
Brett Cecil, Jedd Gyorko, and Dexter Fowler were all added to the team within the past two years. So we have our theme: Cardinals veterans say that new guys who came up in other organizations weren’t following “The Cardinal Way” and the team was suffering for it.
The clubhouse atmosphere and the on-field mistakes led to two different meetings during the course of the year, and the character of the two meeting couldn’t be more different. The first was a players-only meeting in June, held in the clubhouse. It reportedly featured veterans Adam Wainwright and Yadier Molina “imploring” their teammates to play better and focus on the team and not the individual.
When the first meeting didn’t result in better baseball (highlighted by a July 20 mishap in which closer Trevor Rosenthal, a lifelong Cardinal, didn’t cover first base), the veterans planned a second meeting in August. This one was held at a Cincinnati steakhouse, and instead of the veterans doing all the talking, other guys got a chance to open up.
“ “We got a lot of things out in the open,” Wainwright said in mid August. “We had some really great, honest talk. We had some guys pour their hearts out that we’d never seen do that before. It was just great, top to bottom. Guys left there with a sense of confidence that I hadn’t seen in years around here and a sense of purpose and some togetherness that was just off the charts. In my mind that’s translated.”
Hmm, it seems like a different, less traditional approach seemed to make a difference here. And from that point on, the team played better baseball. For the most part.
“ Wainwright, Matt Carpenter, Randal Grichuk, Carlos Martinez and others credited that dinner with helping them go on a season-high eight-game winning streak from Aug. 5-12. Old habits die hard, though. Some veterans continued to anger their teammates with what was perceived as either laziness, selfishness or both.
Even when the team is playing better, the bad things always have to be someone’s fault, and that someone is usually not following “The Cardinal Way.”
While the article is mainly about how the 2017 Cardinals had trouble getting guys to follow “The Cardinal Way,” it revealed a lot of other internal issues. Cardinals veterans are airing their dirty laundry about younger and/or non-lifetime Cardinals. Older guys are upset at how younger guys conduct themselves in the clubhouse. Baseball’s culture is changing, and the old-fashioned players-only clubhouse meeting isn’t always the right approach to get through to guys.
Maybe “The Cardinals Way” is the right way to handle these issues, which represent struggles that are probably happening all over the game. Maybe it’s not. Regardless, no one seems interested in dealing with that aspect of things right now. The playoffs are happening and the Cardinals aren’t involved, so everyone is most interested in placing blame and pointing fingers.
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 1:49:27 PM   
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Interesting to see these things in other clubhouses ...

The St. Louis Cardinals are in a bit of a slump. In 2017 they failed to make the playoffs for the second straight year, and some players think they know why that happened: it’s the new guys.
In the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Jose De Jesus Ortiz wrote a column that details some of the struggles the Cardinals had this season, mostly with the famed “Cardinal Way,” and how new players from other organizations had trouble following it. Ortiz paraphrases one unnamed Cardinals player two sentences into his article.
“ Look around, a Cardinal told me, and see how many of the guys making these mistakes came up through other organizations.
Actually, it’s not that new players had trouble following it. According to the article, new players just didn’t care enough.
“ On the field, the Cardinals were prone to make poor decisions on the base paths and in the field. In the clubhouse, players were privately griping about the lackadaisical atmosphere that could be described as part chess club, part video arcade, part ping pong tournament.
We never find out who the players “privately griping” were, though it’s reasonable to guess they’re one of the handful of veteran Cardinals players. Ortiz did mention some other names, though.
“ When teams are winning, the chess set, Brett Cecil’s video games and Jedd Gyorko’s ping pong prowess are embraced as great ways of relieving stress. When teams are winning, teammates hardly ever bother to notice or even care if Dexter Fowler is usually the last guy in the clubhouse and one of the first to leave.
Brett Cecil, Jedd Gyorko, and Dexter Fowler were all added to the team within the past two years. So we have our theme: Cardinals veterans say that new guys who came up in other organizations weren’t following “The Cardinal Way” and the team was suffering for it.
The clubhouse atmosphere and the on-field mistakes led to two different meetings during the course of the year, and the character of the two meeting couldn’t be more different. The first was a players-only meeting in June, held in the clubhouse. It reportedly featured veterans Adam Wainwright and Yadier Molina “imploring” their teammates to play better and focus on the team and not the individual.
When the first meeting didn’t result in better baseball (highlighted by a July 20 mishap in which closer Trevor Rosenthal, a lifelong Cardinal, didn’t cover first base), the veterans planned a second meeting in August. This one was held at a Cincinnati steakhouse, and instead of the veterans doing all the talking, other guys got a chance to open up.
“ “We got a lot of things out in the open,” Wainwright said in mid August. “We had some really great, honest talk. We had some guys pour their hearts out that we’d never seen do that before. It was just great, top to bottom. Guys left there with a sense of confidence that I hadn’t seen in years around here and a sense of purpose and some togetherness that was just off the charts. In my mind that’s translated.”
Hmm, it seems like a different, less traditional approach seemed to make a difference here. And from that point on, the team played better baseball. For the most part.
“ Wainwright, Matt Carpenter, Randal Grichuk, Carlos Martinez and others credited that dinner with helping them go on a season-high eight-game winning streak from Aug. 5-12. Old habits die hard, though. Some veterans continued to anger their teammates with what was perceived as either laziness, selfishness or both.
Even when the team is playing better, the bad things always have to be someone’s fault, and that someone is usually not following “The Cardinal Way.”
While the article is mainly about how the 2017 Cardinals had trouble getting guys to follow “The Cardinal Way,” it revealed a lot of other internal issues. Cardinals veterans are airing their dirty laundry about younger and/or non-lifetime Cardinals. Older guys are upset at how younger guys conduct themselves in the clubhouse. Baseball’s culture is changing, and the old-fashioned players-only clubhouse meeting isn’t always the right approach to get through to guys.
Maybe “The Cardinals Way” is the right way to handle these issues, which represent struggles that are probably happening all over the game. Maybe it’s not. Regardless, no one seems interested in dealing with that aspect of things right now. The playoffs are happening and the Cardinals aren’t involved, so everyone is most interested in placing blame and pointing fingers.



Typical Cardinals - think they are better than everyone and that their shit doesn't stink.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 2:29:18 PM   
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Verlander with his first ever relief appearance and he gives up a two run homer. 3-2 Red Sox.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 2:30:45 PM   
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Houston going into panic mode
Started worrying about that last night
I remember when they had the Royals beat too, and choked.
Until they get over the hump, maybe we should stop anointing them the next big thing
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 3:20:31 PM   
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Interesting to see these things in other clubhouses ...


Twins way

Cardinals way


Basically it's "Do it the way the clubhouse vets want/manager wants, or you're an outsider and a problem."

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/9/2017 3:24:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Houston going into panic mode
Started worrying about that last night
I remember when they had the Royals beat too, and choked.
Until they get over the hump, maybe we should stop anointing them the next big thing


Bregman homers off of Sale - tie game.

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