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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.

LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.

LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is

I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.

LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is

I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

And guys like Barreiro have votes, and his only connection to baseball these days is 1) pleading for Black Jack Morris and 2) bitching about Joe Mauer. The fact that Barreiro has a vote is ridiculous. Do you really think he's doing his due diligence in checking out out the credentials for each candidate? He won't even let his listeners know who he voted for (other than, I assume, Black Jack Morris). He's not even a sportswriter anymore, and hasn't been one for 10 years.

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Very succinctly put by HOFer Greg Maddox:
(what a horrible double chin on the guy, btw)
http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=31294925&topic_id=6003532
Watch for the 3:30 mark.

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.

LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is

I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

And guys like Barreiro have votes, and his only connection to baseball these days is 1) pleading for Black Jack Morris and 2) bitching about Joe Mauer. The fact that Barreiro has a vote is ridiculous. Do you really think he's doing his due diligence in checking out out the credentials for each candidate? He won't even let his listeners know who he voted for (other than, I assume, Black Jack Morris). He's not even a sportswriter anymore, and hasn't been one for 10 years.

He barely keeps up with the Twins, much less baseball.  How he is more qualified to vote on the HOF than anyone on this board is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Very succinctly put by HOFer Greg Maddox:
(what a horrible double chin on the guy, btw)
http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=31294925&topic_id=6003532
Watch for the 3:30 mark.

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.

Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.

Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.

And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.

Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.

And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.

Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.

And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs.

OK, so nobody is worried that Vernon Wells is now available for Captain Ron and Terry Ryan to acquire?

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.

Actually, this is not entirely a joke. Did anyone think that skinny Herbie who came into the league as a lean 6'4" player who probably weighed no more than 195 lbs would end up at 3 Bills three years after retirement?

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Good luck with that, ARod.  It's almost impossible to overturn arbitration decisions.

I will say it is weird that the arbitrator landed on 162 games, given that PED suspensions are supposed to be 50/100/150.  Sounds like the MLBPA is pissed off about that, and rightfully so.  Not that ARod doesn't deserve punishment -- he certainly does -- but I'd be upset if they were going outside the JDA, which it appears the arbitrator did.