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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/28/2017 3:33:48 PM   
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So many thoughts

* bout time
* the FBI? Seriously? The country doesn't have more pressing issues?
* this isn't wrist slapping, people ... this is JAIL TIME
* since it's JAIL TIME, expect some of the jailed to make some deals to take down the bigger fish
* can't help but think the one-and-done's have caused a lot of the problem, or should I say the suckers who hang around the one-and-done's
* billions of dollars run thru this operation, and the players (who its supposed to be all about) .... make none of the dollars. (yeah... scholarships, yeah) .... Can't stay that way.



I'm disgusted by it all.

Men, 18 years of age should not be required to indenture themselves for a year or two before they can make a living. Free market. If the Blazers want to draft a High School Senior, why not? They don't need protection.

You want kids to stay in school? Pay them. Not outrageously, but pay them.

Little known fact, your athletic scholarship is on a one year renewal basis. You get hurt, scholarship gone.

These kids aren't going to school to get an education. Stop pretending they are. Stop pretending you care. Stop pretending you are doing them a favor.

Who would have thunk it, college basketball and football is actually way more about the money than the professional leagues.


Nailed.
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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/28/2017 4:25:25 PM  1 votes
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Indentured? As opposed to the kids who aren't athletes and have a mountain of student loans to pay off before they can get ahead? Paying college athletes is beyond ridiculous. I don't mind the idea of easing restrictions on their ability to earn money in school. No effing way do I pay them.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/28/2017 9:17:13 PM   
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Indentured? As opposed to the kids who aren't athletes and have a mountain of student loans to pay off before they can get ahead? Paying college athletes is beyond ridiculous. I don't mind the idea of easing restrictions on their ability to earn money in school. No effing way do I pay them.

Absolute agreement. They want to get paid play for a professional team. Yes I know the school makes money, but that is irrelevant this is college amateur sports. If the NBA won't take them for a year, they can still play professional other places. If they are going to college it should be about an education.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 9/28/2017 9:19:59 PM >


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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/29/2017 12:47:33 PM   
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Yeah the current system works beautifully.
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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/29/2017 1:01:58 PM   
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The current system sucks, but paying players is not the fix. All that will go is give them an NCAA sanctioned stipend on top of their illegal gifts. The enslaved college basketball players could just as easily go to Europe like Brandon Jennings did. They play college ball because they know it's the best stage to show case their talents for the NBA.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/29/2017 10:43:39 PM   
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If they ever did open it up to pay college players who could afford to pay more the NBA or the Colleges?

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/29/2017 11:08:18 PM  1 votes
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Indentured? As opposed to the kids who aren't athletes and have a mountain of student loans to pay off before they can get ahead? Paying college athletes is beyond ridiculous. I don't mind the idea of easing restrictions on their ability to earn money in school. No effing way do I pay them.



The entire higher education system in this country is completely messed up.
Tuition is approaching health care, in terms of unjustifiable, outrageous cost. In both cases the product isn't even that great, but usually necessary. We've been conditioned, and marketed to so that insurance and student loans seem like a good idea. Cloak the cost. Pay later.

Top tier college coach X gets 5 million dollar per year contract, usually partially guaranteed.
He also gets multiple free high end vehicle leases for his entire family, sometimes the school also pays the insurance. He gets a promise of 5 to 7% annual buyback appreciation on the home he buys. Zero deductible, complete comprehensive health care.

Gravy. You get paid excessively, and have no expenses. No risk. You can suck and you still get paid.

Meanwhile, a player on the team you coach, doesn't even own his own likeness, while others profit from it. Almost forbidden to make a dollar. Subject to lose their overpriced scholarship due to injury or poor performance.

The NCAA BB Tournament alone is a billion dollar enterprise. Who gets all that money? Who and what is the product? Who generates revenue for these institutions?

30+ hours per week practice, travel and game schedule. Academics, studying and a part time job to have a few dollars in your pocket. I failed at that. Good thing I had a fall back, I called mommy.
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RE: NCAA Basketball - 9/30/2017 9:24:52 AM   
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Indentured? As opposed to the kids who aren't athletes and have a mountain of student loans to pay off before they can get ahead? Paying college athletes is beyond ridiculous. I don't mind the idea of easing restrictions on their ability to earn money in school. No effing way do I pay them.



The entire higher education system in this country is completely messed up.
Tuition is approaching health care, in terms of unjustifiable, outrageous cost. In both cases the product isn't even that great, but usually necessary. We've been conditioned, and marketed to so that insurance and student loans seem like a good idea. Cloak the cost. Pay later.

Top tier college coach X gets 5 million dollar per year contract, usually partially guaranteed.
He also gets multiple free high end vehicle leases for his entire family, sometimes the school also pays the insurance. He gets a promise of 5 to 7% annual buyback appreciation on the home he buys. Zero deductible, complete comprehensive health care.

Gravy. You get paid excessively, and have no expenses. No risk. You can suck and you still get paid.

Meanwhile, a player on the team you coach, doesn't even own his own likeness, while others profit from it. Almost forbidden to make a dollar. Subject to lose their overpriced scholarship due to injury or poor performance.

The NCAA BB Tournament alone is a billion dollar enterprise. Who gets all that money? Who and what is the product? Who generates revenue for these institutions?

30+ hours per week practice, travel and game schedule. Academics, studying and a part time job to have a few dollars in your pocket. I failed at that. Good thing I had a fall back, I called mommy.

If you want to be a pro basketball player go play professionally. If you want to be student athlete go to college. It's not that complicated.
I played college sports. It took up a lot of my time. I didn't mind that at all. I loved it. I didn't get paid.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 5:07:28 PM   
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I'm calling an upset. Yale over Wisconsin.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 5:17:32 PM   
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DL and JT, let me test your memory. Do you remember the last time I made a bold college hoops upset prediction? I nailed it and I remember you were both impressed with me (for the final time).

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 5:41:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JT2

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Indentured? As opposed to the kids who aren't athletes and have a mountain of student loans to pay off before they can get ahead? Paying college athletes is beyond ridiculous. I don't mind the idea of easing restrictions on their ability to earn money in school. No effing way do I pay them.



The entire higher education system in this country is completely messed up.
Tuition is approaching health care, in terms of unjustifiable, outrageous cost. In both cases the product isn't even that great, but usually necessary. We've been conditioned, and marketed to so that insurance and student loans seem like a good idea. Cloak the cost. Pay later.

Top tier college coach X gets 5 million dollar per year contract, usually partially guaranteed.
He also gets multiple free high end vehicle leases for his entire family, sometimes the school also pays the insurance. He gets a promise of 5 to 7% annual buyback appreciation on the home he buys. Zero deductible, complete comprehensive health care.

Gravy. You get paid excessively, and have no expenses. No risk. You can suck and you still get paid.

Meanwhile, a player on the team you coach, doesn't even own his own likeness, while others profit from it. Almost forbidden to make a dollar. Subject to lose their overpriced scholarship due to injury or poor performance.

The NCAA BB Tournament alone is a billion dollar enterprise. Who gets all that money? Who and what is the product? Who generates revenue for these institutions?

30+ hours per week practice, travel and game schedule. Academics, studying and a part time job to have a few dollars in your pocket. I failed at that. Good thing I had a fall back, I called mommy.

And now Republicans want to take away the ability to deduct student loan interest for tax purposes. You simply can't make it up.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 5:47:12 PM   
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I'm calling an upset. Yale over Wisconsin.

This prediction is not looking good so far. Badgers up 41-22.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 6:57:38 PM   
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Yale has really fallen off the table this season.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 11/12/2017 7:00:15 PM   
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DL and JT, let me test your memory. Do you remember the last time I made a bold college hoops upset prediction? I nailed it and I remember you were both impressed with me (for the final time).

Several years ago I called Cal to upset #1 and undefeated Arizona.

It happened.

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RE: NCAA Basketball - 12/30/2017 8:42:47 PM   
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Butler has just simply built a powerhouse program there.
Very cool.
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