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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/17/2019 2:06:54 PM   
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OK, time to play devil's advocate. Ever heard of a guy named Jeff Fisher?


How many Superbowls did he win?

Probably the most overrated coach in NFL history, and example #1 of NFL coaching being an "Old boy network".

Had 6 winnings seasons in 22 years. Won 5 career Playoff games. Did not win a single Playoff game his final 12 years.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/17/2019 2:08:06 PM   
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OK, time to play devil's advocate. Ever heard of a guy named Jeff Fisher?


How many Superbowls did he win?

Probably the most overrated coach in NFL history, and example #1 of NFL coaching being an "Old boy network".

Had 6 winnings seasons in 22 years. Won 5 career Playoff games. Did not win a single Playoff game his final 12 years.

Yes, I was playing devil's advocate vs Sweeney.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/17/2019 3:04:24 PM   
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Carroll won the SB in his 4th year with the Hawks, Bill B in his 2nd with NE.

Bill B. won in is his 7th year as a head coach and was actually fired from his first head coaching gig. ronhextall's argument is that coaches win right away or not at all. Belichick shows a coach can fail miserably before he succeeds.


So maybe Zimmer will win a SB with his 2nd or 3rd team?

I think Ron's point still stands.

No, it really doesn't. You can't say Bill B.'s record with NE is the only one that counts. The fact that Bill B. succeeded in his second gig doesn't mean Zim or any other head coach can only win in their second chance if they don't win in 5 years on the current one. A lot of coaches who won it early stepped into a great situation. Tomlin took over a team that had won the Super Bowl 2 years earlier. Gruden inherited the team that Dungy built and won it. Dungy took over the Colts with Peyton Manning in his prime. Payton too over just in time for the Saints to acquire Drew Breese. John Madden took over a winning team and needed 9 years to win a Super Bowl. Tom Landry won it in his 11th year as the Cowboys head coach.

I'm not saying whether Zim can get there or not, but it is a hell of a lot more nuanced than a guy wins a Super Bowl within 5 years or he is garbage as a coach.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/17/2019 3:57:55 PM   
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Carroll won the SB in his 4th year with the Hawks, Bill B in his 2nd with NE.

Bill B. won in is his 7th year as a head coach and was actually fired from his first head coaching gig. ronhextall's argument is that coaches win right away or not at all. Belichick shows a coach can fail miserably before he succeeds.


So maybe Zimmer will win a SB with his 2nd or 3rd team?

I think Ron's point still stands.

No, it really doesn't. You can't say Bill B.'s record with NE is the only one that counts. The fact that Bill B. succeeded in his second gig doesn't mean Zim or any other head coach can only win in their second chance if they don't win in 5 years on the current one. A lot of coaches who won it early stepped into a great situation. Tomlin took over a team that had won the Super Bowl 2 years earlier. Gruden inherited the team that Dungy built and won it. Dungy took over the Colts with Peyton Manning in his prime. Payton too over just in time for the Saints to acquire Drew Breese. John Madden took over a winning team and needed 9 years to win a Super Bowl. Tom Landry won it in his 11th year as the Cowboys head coach.

I'm not saying whether Zim can get there or not, but it is a hell of a lot more nuanced than a guy wins a Super Bowl within 5 years or he is garbage as a coach.


And there are examples of coaches that have coached and coached well two three even four teams and never won a SB. Wade Phillips, Marty Schottenheimer? There is no formula. Either a coach can motivate his guys to play well or he can't. Zimmer seems to get some guys motivated and others just don't respond to his style of coaching.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/17/2019 9:47:42 PM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/20/2019 6:53:20 PM   
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Not surprised

When Bill left the press conference his fate was pretty much sealed

Why put yourself through all that hassle?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/22/2019 7:09:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice win today. Another big game by Cookie Monster. Funny all 3 games have had lopsided 1st Qtrs.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/23/2019 8:42:48 AM   
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We've got some studs.
Dalvin Cook is one hell of a player.
Nice to see AT featured more at least early on.
The Hitman is fun to watch as well.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/23/2019 10:12:51 AM   
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Watched zero of the game

Olivia and I shopped

For eye black and softball bags and investigative work on phones

Much more entertaining
And we talked
Soo important to me

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/23/2019 10:24:18 AM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/23/2019 10:35:26 AM   
Mr. Ed


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Olivia is one of two quarterbacks

And one of the few that understands football

They likely will get thumped by the seniors

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/24/2019 3:36:28 PM   
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A true professional at an extremely tough job.
One the Vikings underrated. (Its ok, everyone does)

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/24/2019 8:04:39 PM   
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Nice to see Marcus Sherels brought back by the Vikings today.
A true professional at an extremely tough job.
One the Vikings underrated. (Its ok, everyone does)

His brother settled with the U after their doctors nearly killed him a few years back.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/26/2019 11:28:53 AM   
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Since 2001, Tom Brady has more wins (15) on the Buffalo Bills home field …. than any Buffalo Bills QB does.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/26/2019 11:30:32 AM   
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Monday morning will either be full of hope or full of despair.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/26/2019 11:46:41 AM   
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Hope the Eagles beat up the Pack tonight too.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/26/2019 11:47:34 AM   
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Big tillie with the Bears this week
Monday morning will either be full of hope or full of despair.


Bears defense is great
How will Cousins fare against a great defense?

The Bears offense is pretty bad. Mitch Trubisky has serious shortcomings in his game. Will the great and vaunted Vikings defense rise to the task?

Or will our offense give the Bears 2 TD's on defense by fumbles and turnovers?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/26/2019 3:49:22 PM   
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Thought this was hilarious

Since 2001, Tom Brady has more wins (15) on the Buffalo Bills home field …. than any Buffalo Bills QB does.


I think that is sad, not hilarious.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/29/2019 5:20:33 PM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/29/2019 5:28:10 PM   
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Pathetic.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/29/2019 5:38:03 PM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/29/2019 5:40:48 PM   
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Can Zimmer be fired after today's game?

I was calling for it at the half.

I'm all for Spielman being fired too.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/29/2019 7:12:22 PM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/30/2019 8:17:06 AM   
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I have never seen a more pathetic display



See my post in Idle Talk.
Most unlikable Viking team ever.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 9/30/2019 9:13:48 AM   
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Bears offense started the game a starting WR (3 TD the previous week) out. Their starting QB went out on the first series, they continued to push our defense all over the field.
This game was nowhere near as close as the score would indicate.
Just a team thoroughly unprepared to play football.

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