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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:01:32 PM   
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Should I create a Bill and Phil stupid argument thread?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:03:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Should I create a Bill and Phil stupid argument thread?


I'm not going to have a liar continually change what I posted, and I don't think you would either.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:06:49 PM   
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Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 8/25/2026 5:10:02 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Should I create a Bill and Phil stupid argument thread?


I'm not going to have a liar continually change what I posted, and I don't think you would either.


I follow up with a question and you turn to calling me a liar or the dishonest one because you were rash (maybe you also have a rash) or exaggerated.

That is what is intriguing.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 8/25/2026 5:10:32 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:10:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.


Thanks for posting my point.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:11:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.


Thanks for posting my point.


Yeah right

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:13:28 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Should I create a Bill and Phil stupid argument thread?


I'm not going to have a liar continually change what I posted, and I don't think you would either.


I follow up with a question and you turn to calling me a liar or the dishonest one because you were rash (maybe you also have a rash) or exaggerated.

That is what is intriguing.


A question?! LMAO! Time and again a loaded question using your words to change what I said. You are sneaky. And you are a liar.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:16:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.


Thanks for posting my point.


Yeah right


Dare I say intriguing.

Oh wait, I did... almost 3 weeks ago!

I see you scurried away from that after I shot your accusation into oblivion.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:18:02 PM   
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The whole cut list by Lewis:
Quarterback (3)
In: Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, J.J. McCarthy
Out: Max Brosmer

The backup quarterback conversation can misdirect from what’s actually most important. Can head coach Kevin O’Connell and Murray meld their preferences into a potent offensive vision?
Training camp has offered some clues. Expect the Vikings to play more from the shotgun in 2026. Furthermore, Minnesota’s staff plans to reconfigure the passing game around Murray’s strengths. These modifications matter in the bigger picture for a franchise that has not won a playoff game since 2019.

As for the backup situation, McCarthy took all of the No. 2 reps in last week’s joint practices. His performance was up and down. Another chaotic preseason outing for McCarthy — juxtaposed with Wentz’s professional-looking operation — could position the veteran as the most rational second option if Murray were to suffer an injury.

Running back (4)
In: Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, Demond Claiborne, Zavier Scott
Out: Jermar Jefferson

Those associated with the rushing attack have spoken optimistically about what’s possible. The offensive line is flying off the line of scrimmage. Running backs have clear tracks with defined responsibilities to wheel around the edge or make sharp cuts. Jones’ reliability will earn him a hefty chunk of snaps. But Mason’s burst presents even more opportunity if he can improve in pass protection.

If the Vikings decide to keep an extra offensive lineman, or if they don’t think they can sneak a young defender onto the practice squad, they could further chisel down this room. But Claiborne’s explosiveness and Scott’s special teams impact should help both find their way to the 53.

Fullback (1)
In: Max Bredeson

Minnesota only used 21 personnel on 7.8 percent of its offensive snaps in 2025. As long as Bredeson stays healthy, that number will climb. He has been a fixture with the first-team offense during training camp.
Teammates rave about his aptitude. Learning O’Connell’s complex offense is one thing, but occupying a role that asks him to motion all over the formation is another. The way the Miami Dolphins deployed Alec Ingold is a perfect comparison for his projected usage.
The rookie fullback from Michigan appears likely to play a big, Alec Ingold-like role in the Vikings' run game this season.

Wide receiver (5)
In: Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Jauan Jennings, Myles Price, Tai Felton
Out: Dillon Bell, Jeshaun Jones, Dontae Fleming, Terrill Davis, Michael Briscoe, Trayvon Rudolph, Marcus Sanders Jr.

The top trio needs little introduction or explanation. It might be the most talented and potent starting group of wideouts in the NFL. Addison is quietly piecing together a phenomenal training camp, displaying an impressive rapport with Murray after the two spent significant time together this offseason in Dallas.

Perhaps the biggest issue here is depth. Price and Felton each took steps this offseason in their schematic understanding and trustworthiness as pass catchers. Both could have short-term roles. Bell, an undrafted signing from Georgia who excelled Saturday against the Ravens, isn’t going to be easy to slide to the practice squad. Lose him to another team, and the Vikings will have a pretty thin group of developmental receiver talent.

Tight end (3)
In: T.J. Hockenson, Josh Oliver, Ben Yurosek
Out: Gavin Bartholomew, Matt Lauter, Marshall Lang

A few years ago, O’Connell went so far as to call former Viking Johnny Mundt the best No. 3 tight end in the NFL. The franchise valued him as insurance. They’ve searched for a replacement since.
Yurosek’s blocking ability may give him the edge over Bartholomew, but Bartholomew might be more fluid as a receiver. This spot won’t receive much attention, but the Vikings offense needs to maintain its vision if Hockenson or Oliver misses time.

Offensive line (9)
In: Christian Darrisaw, Donovan Jackson, Blake Brandel, Will Fries, Brian O’Neill, Ryan Van Demark, Caleb Tiernan, Michael Jurgens, Joe Huber
Out: Walter Rouse, Henry Byrd, Joshua Gray, Vershon Lee, Gavin Gerhardt, Tristan Leigh, Delby Lemieux, Tomas Rimac

All five starters are healthy. They’re also motivated and committed to a higher standard with coach Keith Carter at the helm. Brandel’s relative newness at center warrants observation once the season starts. Health for the three interior starters will also be integral, as none of the expected backups have fared particularly well during the preseason.

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams
Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.
Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.

Edge rusher (5)
In: Andrew Van Ginkel, Dallas Turner, Tyler Batty, Chaz Chambliss, Bo Richter
Out: Kenny Dyson, Cam’Ron Stewart

One of the more underdiscussed layers of the Jonathan Greenard-to-Turner transition was the added flexibility it offered Flores. Turner drops from the line of scrimmage with smoothness and awareness. This increases the deception for opposing offenses. Their protection schemes might expect edge rushers, but both Van Ginkel and Turner could drift backward, making the interior more susceptible
Turner’s progression is one of the central pivot points for the Vikings in 2026. It’s also worth noting that Batty, Chambliss and Richter have all produced admirably throughout training camp.
Does this mean the Vikings won’t scour the free-agent market for reinforcements? The answer to that question should come in the next few weeks.

Linebacker (4)
In: Blake Cashman, Eric Wilson, Jake Golday, Ivan Pace Jr.
Out: Jacob Roberts, Bangally Kamara, Josh Ross

Few, if any, positions improved from a depth perspective as much as linebacker. Golday continues to impress. Even offseason signings Roberts and Kamara made enough plays in the first two preseason games to capture some attention. Minnesota could keep five of them, but the floor of the first four may be high enough to supplement another position group.

It’s also easier to believe in the capability here when Cashman and Wilson are coming off the seasons they are. Few Vikings players have had better training camps than those two.

Cornerback (4)
In: Byron Murphy Jr., Isaiah Rodgers, James Pierre, Charles Demmings
Out: Da’Veawn Armstead, Zemaiah Vaughn, Marcus Allen, Dwight McGlothern Jr., Jarod Washington, Bryce Phillips

The Vikings can get away with fewer cornerbacks because they utilize so many three-safety sets. Murphy, Rodgers, Pierre and Demmings are all locks. The only suspense is around a youngster like Armstead, who has had a good camp.
Pierre and Demmings both vied for the No. 3 role. But this also speaks to the growth at the back end of the room as compared to recent years.

Safety (6)
In: Josh Metellus, Jay Ward, Theo Jackson, Jacob Thomas, Jakobe Thomas, Tavierre Thomas
Out: Kahlef Hailassie

Let’s get the elephant in the room out of the way: Harrison Smith’s future is still undecided. There is no timetable for a decision. Smith could decide this week — or in multiple weeks — that he’s ready to give it one more go — or hang No. 22 up entirely. The Vikings might need him.

Currently, Metellus and Jackson seem like the most reasonable candidates to take snaps on the back end. Metellus thrives nearer to the box, but that’s also where Ward fits best. An injury to any of these three would stress a group Flores relies on to operate his defensive controls.

Undrafted rookie Jacob Thomas has emerged as a viable option to play defensive snaps early on. Rookie third-round pick Jakobe Thomas hasn’t practiced extensively in recent weeks with back stiffness. And Tavierre Thomas makes sense if the Vikings are committed to maximizing special teams by using him as a gunner.

Specialist (3)
In: Will Reichard, Andrew DePaola, Johnny Hekker
International pathway player: P Brett Thorson

The less intrigue with this group, the better. Losing punter Ryan Wright in free agency generated some training camp concern. Hekker’s holding experience will likely win out, but Thorson provided more of a challenge than other undrafted free-agent punters the Vikings have tried out in past years.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:19:40 PM   
Phil Riewer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.


Thanks for posting my point.


Yeah right


Dare I say intriguing.

Oh wait, I did... almost 3 weeks ago!

I see you scurried away from that after I shot your accusation into oblivion.


Scurried away? You are an idiot as there wasn't much talk until after the first game last week. Check the thread.

Oh...just keep exaggerating.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 8/25/2026 5:20:54 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/25/2026 5:26:15 PM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Alec Lewis final roster for the IDL:

Defensive line (6)
In: Jalen Redmond, Levi Drake Rodriguez, Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Caleb Banks, Domonique Orange, Elijah Williams

Out: Isaiahh Loudermilk, Jonathan Harris, Jahvaree Ritzie, Smith Vilbert

The youth of this defensive tackle group stands out. Redmond is the most senior of the bunch at 27. This places further responsibility on defensive line coaches Ryan Nielsen and Pat Hill.

Even though Brian Flores’ defensive system pulls levers to stop the run with its scheme, the pressure falls on these big men to hold up at the point of attack. The easier it becomes for opposing offenses to throw jabs, the more difficult it will be for the Vikings defense to create its patented chaos. Banks’ runway to play a major amount of snaps remains long. Orange could be more impactful early on, while Williams built off of his rookie season with some eyebrow-raising preseason tape.


Thanks for posting my point.


Yeah right


Dare I say intriguing.

Oh wait, I did... almost 3 weeks ago!

I see you scurried away from that after I shot your accusation into oblivion.


Scurried away? You are an idiot as there wasn't much talk until after the first game last week. Check the thread.

Oh...just keep exaggerating.



Are you literally insane?

The first preseason game was Aug 15.

You:
Aug 4. They have $$$ to sign a (DL) guy yet or after cuts.
Aug 5. $21 million in salary cap space after O'Neil extension. There will be cuts and adds......maybe/maybe not IDL.
Aug 6. So we are fine at IDL since we do have cap space and we can sign one if needed after cuts? Lol
Aug 20. DL is fine (for now and if needed they have Preseason and cap space for additions).

Me:
Aug 5: Bottomline, the DL is largely unknown yet intriguing. More intriguing than last year.

Along with a ton of other posts on the matter well before preseason started.
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