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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

Brady refusing to give up the fight on his suspension.....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15674493/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-files-appeal-court-decision-upheld-four-game-suspension-deflategate

I'm kind of glad he's not just rolling over to the NFL on this. Other QBs have come out and stated they have manipulated air pressure in game balls and the NFL has yet to go after any of them...This seems to be all about 'going after' the Patriots and nothing else.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

Brady refusing to give up the fight on his suspension.....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15674493/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-files-appeal-court-decision-upheld-four-game-suspension-deflategate

I'm kind of glad he's not just rolling over to the NFL on this. Other QBs have come out and stated they have manipulated air pressure in game balls and the NFL has yet to go after any of them...This seems to be all about 'going after' the Patriots and nothing else.

they didnt destroy cell phones or impede investigation (as there was not one)

the cover up added to the punishment, along with prior incidents


fine was probably enough until the cover up, IMO

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

I'm completely not following that. There was no act, ergo no cover up/lack of cooperation.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

I'm completely not following that. There was no act, ergo no cover up/lack of cooperation.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

I'm completely not following that. There was no act, ergo no cover up/lack of cooperation.

???

that sounds a lot like your 'not a starter' even if you start 16 games spiel.

an investigation can happen without an 'act', and then the investigation would/should conclude there was no 'act'. and a person can impede that investigation.

investigations happen all the time that find out there was no 'act'


YMMV

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

I'm completely not following that. There was no act, ergo no cover up/lack of cooperation.

???

that sounds a lot like your 'not a starter' even if you start 16 games spiel.

an investigation can happen without an 'act', and then the investigation would/should conclude there was no 'act'. and a person can impede that investigation.

investigations happen all the time that find out there was no 'act'


YMMV

Yes a person "can" impede an investigation, just no evidence of it here.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's not unusual in sports or life in general for one person to get punished for breaking the law (or league rule) even though others have done it before them. No court in the land will accept the "yeah, but other people do it too" defense when someone has been found committing a crime.

I've heard that argument before, but the thought that the league is somehow targeting the Patriots seems absurd when you think about how successful that team has been and how much it means to the league. If anything I'll bet they had tons of internal discussions about this, wondering how they were going to actually "prosecute" the golden child. But in the end they decided they had to show that even the golden child can't get away with cheating. They went easy on Belichik for the videos of other teams walk-throughs and they knew they couldn't look the other way again.

I agree remember in the NBA? All the under the table deals and finally they catch the Wolves and then Stern sent the message to the league through Minnesota? Roger is just as big of egomaniac Ass Clown as Stern and I never thought I would despise a Commissioner more or same as David Stern.

The cell phone destroy does not bother me because he destroys all of his cell phones when he is done with them this was not the first time. Second like has been mentioned, many quarterbacks like to customize the footballs. Aaron Rodgers likes them over inflated. Notice no other quarterback currently in the league, has ever come out and cried foul on Brady. To me that silence speaks volumes.

Not to mention there was no evidence of deflation, much less intentional deflation.

yep, it wasnt the act, it was the cover up/lack of cooperation

I'm completely not following that. There was no act, ergo no cover up/lack of cooperation.

You believe there was nothing to cover up lmao. Want to buy some ocean front property in Arizona. I'll give you a great deal.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

Brady refusing to give up the fight on his suspension.....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15674493/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-files-appeal-court-decision-upheld-four-game-suspension-deflategate

I'm kind of glad he's not just rolling over to the NFL on this. Other QBs have come out and stated they have manipulated air pressure in game balls and the NFL has yet to go after any of them...This seems to be all about 'going after' the Patriots and nothing else.

they didnt destroy cell phones or impede investigation (as there was not one)

the cover up added to the punishment, along with prior incidents


fine was probably enough until the cover up, IMO

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What is all lost in deflate gate is the ref's pregame inspection.

These inspections are half ass at best. A former ball boy was describing an inspection as the ref digging a couple balls out and merely giving them the hand squeeze test. No gauges ever used.

One could easily argue the balls were either not inflated to the proper psi to begin with, or were at the bare minimum psi and the gas law and big guys landing on footballs throughout the 1st half helped deflate them further.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The testing of the footballs and finding them under inflated I would consider evidence. Not saying irrefutable but certainly evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What is all lost in deflate gate is the ref's pregame inspection.

These inspections are half ass at best. A former ball boy was describing an inspection as the ref digging a couple balls out and merely giving them the hand squeeze test. No gauges ever used.

One could easily argue the balls were either not inflated to the proper psi to begin with, or were at the bare minimum psi and the gas law and big guys landing on footballs throughout the 1st half helped deflate them further.

What is lost in Deflate gate is that the league allows teams to have any contact with game equipment at all. The Game balls should be Provided by, managed etc by the league. Not the teams playing the games.

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ORIGINAL: El Duderino

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The testing of the footballs and finding them under inflated I would consider evidence. Not saying irrefutable but certainly evidence.

There is not a single scientifically credible piece of evidence to demonstrate that the balls were actually deflated by a person, rather than the elements. The physics is clear, and replicable - a ball will lose that amount of pressure when subjected to the wet, cold conditions of the sort at the time of the game.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Only the Patriots footballs were deflated. Right?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: El Duderino

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The testing of the footballs and finding them under inflated I would consider evidence. Not saying irrefutable but certainly evidence.

There is not a single scientifically credible piece of evidence to demonstrate that the balls were actually deflated by a person, rather than the elements. The physics is clear, and replicable - a ball will lose that amount of pressure when subjected to the wet, cold conditions of the sort at the time of the game.

I don't buy that at all. The amount of deflation was above the standard pressure loss or the NFL would have never made an issue of it. My experience with footballs is they deflate very little over the course of the game.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: El Duderino

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The testing of the footballs and finding them under inflated I would consider evidence. Not saying irrefutable but certainly evidence.

There is not a single scientifically credible piece of evidence to demonstrate that the balls were actually deflated by a person, rather than the elements. The physics is clear, and replicable - a ball will lose that amount of pressure when subjected to the wet, cold conditions of the sort at the time of the game.

I don't buy that at all. The amount of deflation was above the standard pressure loss or the NFL would have never made an issue of it. My experience with footballs is they deflate very little over the course of the game.

Could you explain that in terms of the Ideal Gas Equation/Law?