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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 12:01:52 PM   
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Rams thinking about giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension. Why?

Living off of 1999 has been pretty good for Fisher.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 12:16:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rams thinking about giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension. Why?

Living off of 1999 has been pretty good for Fisher.


Its amazing. Being in the "old boys network" has its perks.

Fisher:

-Made the playoffs in only 5 of 21 seasons.

-11 career playoff games. 5/6 record. Is one (likely blown) call away from a career 2/6 record.

-Hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years.

-Hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

-Hasn't had a winning record in 7 years.

- 4 years with the Rams. Yet to even hit .500 in any season.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 12:25:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rams thinking about giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension. Why?

Living off of 1999 has been pretty good for Fisher.


Its amazing. Being in the "old boys network" has its perks.

Fisher:

-Made the playoffs in only 5 of 21 seasons.

-11 career playoff games. 5/6 record. Is one (likely blown) call away from a career 2/6 record.

-Hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years.

-Hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

-Hasn't had a winning record in 7 years.

- 4 years with the Rams. Yet to even hit .500 in any season.



also, you would think that the rams might like a fresh face in los angeles....

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 2:05:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rams thinking about giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension. Why?

Living off of 1999 has been pretty good for Fisher.


Its amazing. Being in the "old boys network" has its perks.

Fisher:

-Made the playoffs in only 5 of 21 seasons.

-11 career playoff games. 5/6 record. Is one (likely blown) call away from a career 2/6 record.

-Hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years.

-Hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

-Hasn't had a winning record in 7 years.

- 4 years with the Rams. Yet to even hit .500 in any season.


I agree with your opinion of Jeff Fisher, but the call in that playoff game was correct. The ball did not travel downfield - Wychek was on the 25 yard line, which means the ball was an arm's length downfield from there. The ball was caught about one ball length downfield from the 25. It was a legal lateral.

Now, you could slightly amend the statement and say that he was one trick play from 2-6 in the playoffs, and I'd have no argument. But that call was correct.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 2:21:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rams thinking about giving Jeff Fisher a contract extension. Why?

Living off of 1999 has been pretty good for Fisher.


Oh, that's easy. Because really bad franchises stay bad for a reason...cause they stupid.

Fisher's done nothing for them.

And will continue that way.

It took Dick Vermeil, an unknown QB, one of the best all around rbs of all time, a mad genius (but terrible hc) at OC, and super fast receiving corps...for that team to not suck for a couple years.

And it was that Rams team that stopped Fishers only deep playoff run.

Good Ol' Boys network.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/9/2016 3:58:41 PM   
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Ever seen Jeff Fischer and Gardy in the same room?
Me either.
Hmmm.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/15/2016 4:31:39 PM   
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http://www.buffalobills.com/news/index.html

I remember once upon a time the Vikings website was subpar. Now it is fantastic, some days more information and videos than I have time to watch. After following a friend (neighbor) and former Viking of mine on the Buffalo website, I know the new definition of subpar NFL website. Grateful for the Vikings site!

http://www.vikings.com/

My neighbor is Robert Blanton, the nicest kid you ever want to meet. He is so bummed about not being able to play in the new stadium. He has lived the whole off season in my gal's condo, not her exact condo, because that would be awkward, but in our building. He is our parking garage buddy. Anyway he just left for Mandatory OTAs this weekend. We promised to keep tabs on him. I wish he would have been a better fit for our team. My gal(codename Packer Cutie) wouldn't root for the Vikings while he was here, but she has committed us to being Bills fans for his sake this year.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/16/2016 9:49:24 AM   
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Cool stuff Tim.
Hope all is well bud.
Latest Insider stuff ...


It happens every year: Players who used to be highly coveted see their play decline and are no longer worth what they're getting paid.

Last week, I looked at the NFL's most underpaid veterans, and now it's time to look at who qualifies as the most overpaid. To do that, I compared each player's 2016-17 cap hit (according to OverTheCap.com) to the Jahnke Value Model, which determines what a player is worth based on performance.


Tyrod Taylor and Cam Newton bring in millions, but it's nowhere near what they're worth. Pro Football Focus ranks the 10 most underpaid veterans, comparing talent to salary-cap hits.



In some cases, a player hasn't lived up to his contract simply due to injury, and for the purposes of this list, those players were ignored; we're not having bad luck count against them. That leaves the players who aren't playing as well as their contracts suggest they should be.

Of the players on last season's list, two are retired, two were cut and two are back with their teams on pay cuts. In some cases, a player's reputation is so big that he will likely remain overpaid for multiple seasons. In other cases, it wouldn't be surprising if he is playing elsewhere at a lower salary in 2017-18.


1. Eli Manning, QB, New York Giants



2016-17 cap hit: $24.2 million
2016-17 JVM: $9.6 million
Value differential: $14.6 million

It's Manning's second straight year on this list. Since last season, his cap hit has increased, while his play continued to decline. He is still one of the 32 best quarterbacks in the NFL and still worthy of starting quarterback money, but he is getting paid like a top-five player at his position, in average value per year. In recent years, Manning's passes have been getting shorter, from an average depth of target of 10.1 yards in 2013-14 to 9.2 in 2014-15 to 8.1 in 2015-16. You would expect his accuracy to go up with that decrease, but his completion percentage was lower in 2015-16 than in 2014-15. When under pressure, he completed only 49 percent of his passes, which ranked just 24th overall. His touchdown totals remain high, but that has more to do with Odell Beckham Jr. than with Manning. Although Manning isn't playing so poorly as to deserve being benched, he definitely is not living up to his salary.


2. Lawrence Timmons, ILB, Pittsburgh Steelers

2016-17 cap hit: $15.1 million
2016-17 JVM: $0.9 million
Value differential: $14.2 million

At his best, Timmons was worthy of being on All-Pro teams, but in 2015-16, his play quickly deteriorated. His 21 missed tackles tied for third-most among linebackers. He had a stop on just 6.7 percent of his run plays, 12th-worst among inside linebackers after he finished third-best the year before. In the passing game, Timmons allowed 596 receiving yards (fourth-worst among LBs). He is now 30 and among the 20 oldest linebackers on NFL rosters. Only four older players are assured three-down roles next season. Timmons is on the last year of his contract, and though he might have a bounce-back season in 2016-17, chances are he won't get paid nearly as much in 2017-18.


3. Joe Haden, CB, Cleveland Browns

2016-17 cap hit: $13.4 million
2016-17 JVM: $0.8 million
Value differential: $12.6 million

In 2010-11, Haden was a top-five cornerback, which is very rare for a rookie, and he has been on a steady decline ever since. In 2014-15, he allowed 781 receiving yards (13th among CBs). He missed a lot of playing time in 2015-16, but in the five games he played, quarterbacks had a near-perfect 158.2 passer rating when throwing at the receiver he was covering. Unsurprisingly, that was the worst figure among all cornerbacks. Haden has been an above average cornerback the majority of his career, and it's certainly possible that he bounces back after missing most of the past season, but he is getting paid for how well he played six years ago. He's slated to make top dollar for the next four seasons.



CB Joe Haden rated as one of the NFL's worst cornerbacks when he played last season. AP Photo/Ron Schwane

4. Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens

2016-17 cap hit: $22.6 million
2016-17 JVM: $11.7 million
Value differential: $10.9 million

Whenever a quarterback gets a new contract, the value typically seems way too high. This was never more true than when Flacco received an extension this offseason that gave him a cap hit of at least $22 million in each of the next six seasons and practically forces Flacco to remain the Ravens' starter through 2018-19. If Flacco can consistently play as well as he did in his Super Bowl season, that's not a problem, but he has been very inconsistent since that point. His 83.1 NFL passer rating last season was the lowest among the 25 quarterbacks with at least 700 snaps. He had just 444 passing yards on deep passes in 2015-16, which ranked 27th among quarterbacks. Although the Ravens could certainly do worse at quarterback, they could have done just as well for a lot less.


5. Matt Kalil, LT, Minnesota Vikings

2016-17 cap hit: $11.1 million
2016-17 JVM: $0.8 million
Value differential: $10.3 million

Similar to Joe Haden, Kalil lived up to being a high draft pick in his rookie season. But since then, his play hasn't been nearly as good. In 2015-16, he allowed twice as many sacks and twice as many hits as he allowed as a rookie, despite playing in fewer snaps. The past two seasons, Kalil has allowed 99 totals pressures, worst among all offensive tackles. The Vikings picked up Kalil's fifth-year option hoping he can return to his rookie-year form. If he doesn't, it's unlikely he will make as much in his second contract as he did in his first.


6. Clay Matthews, LB, Green Bay Packers

2016-17 cap hit: $13.8 million
2016-17 JVM: $3.9 million
Value differential: $9.9 million

Matthews is the third-highest paid linebacker overall, but he hasn't played to that level in recent years, regardless of whether he lined up at OLB or ILB. After he ranked among the top pass-rushers in pressure rate throughout his rookie contract, his numbers have declined the past three seasons. Plus, after he missed seven or fewer tackles in each of his first six seasons, he missed 17 in 2015-16. While a move back to outside linebacker should help, the 30-year-old Matthews' best days are behind him. Only 12 other 3-4 outside linebackers are making half as much as Matthews per year, and there are at least that many who outperformed Matthews last season.


7. Bruce Irvin, OLB, Oakland Raiders

2016-17 cap hit: $12.5 million
2016-17 JVM: $2.8 million
Value differential: $9.7 million

The Raiders were one of the big spenders in free agency, and that included bringing Irvin in from Seattle on a four-year deal. Although his cap hits are lower in future seasons, his play still doesn't warrant the contract he received. He has been just an average pass-rusher in his career; he had five sacks, 12 hits and 21 hurries on 301 pass rushes last season. In the run game, his 3.7 run-stop percentage was the lowest among 4-3 outside linebackers with at least 200 snaps against the run game. Although superstar pass-rushers make a lot of money in the NFL, average ones don't typically earn what Irvin will.



The Raiders gave a big deal to Bruce Irvin this offseason. Steven Bisig/USA TODAY Sports

8. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Denver Broncos

2016-17 cap hit: $15.2 million
2016-17 JVM: $5.7 million
Value differential: $9.5 million






As recently as 2014-15, Thomas was in the top tier of wide receivers. His 2.78 yards per route run that season ranked second among WRs. Last season, however, Thomas' play took a step back, as he gained only 2.2 yards per route run, which ranked outside the top 10. He dropped a career-high 12 passes and had only six touchdowns, his fewest since 2011-12. He disappeared in the Super Bowl, with just one 8-yard catch on six targets. He has the third-highest cap hit for a wide receiver in 2016-17, but last season, his play was not worthy of such distinction. Maybe a poor QB was to blame, but Denver's QB situation could be even worse this season.


9. Brandon Carr, CB, Dallas Cowboys

2016-17 cap hit: $10.2 million
2016-17 JVM: $0.9 million
Value differential: $9.3 million

Carr, who was on this list last year, took a pay cut in 2016-17 but still isn't worth the money the Cowboys are paying him. Although he cut down his penalties and missed tackles in 2015-16, he still graded out as a below average cornerback. For the second consecutive season, he struggled in two key areas: He didn't have an interception, and he allowed six touchdowns. Only two other cornerbacks in 2015-16 allowed that many touchdowns without an interception, and neither player is returning to his team. In 2017-18, Carr's salary will be a lot less, so this is his last season among the most overvalued players.


10. Adrian Peterson, RB, Minnesota Vikings

2016-17 cap hit: $12.0 million
2016-17 JVM: $3.0 million
Value differential: $9.0 million

Peterson is the third and final repeat player in the top 10. Only three other running backs have a cap hit within $6 million of his, and no RB comes within $2 million, which means Peterson should be by far the best player at his position in order to warrant his contract. In 2015-16, that simply wasn't the case. Peterson was taken off the field in third-and-long situations because he isn't an asset as a receiver or a blocker. Looking at just his running, he put up a respectable 4.5 yards per carry, but that was only 12th-best among RBs with at least 100 carries. His six fumbles were tied for the most among all running backs last season. Yes, he won the 2015-16 rushing title, but only because he had 39 more carries than Doug Martin, who greatly outplayed Peterson on a per play basis. Although Peterson remains among the better pure running backs in the league, he's only an above average starter when you factor in his receiving and blocking ability, and above average starting running backs aren't making much in today's NFL.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/17/2016 11:36:53 AM   
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I'm going to come out and say I was wrong about this issue. I can do that. Sometimes I am wrong. I wish I was always right, but I'm not. Sigh. There are times where it feels like to me that I am always wrong. Just moments.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/05/nfl-new-england-patriots-deflategate-fumbles-tom-brady-bill-belichick

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/17/2016 1:06:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I'm going to come out and say I was wrong about this issue. I can do that. Sometimes I am wrong. I wish I was always right, but I'm not. Sigh. There are times where it feels like to me that I am always wrong. Just moments.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/05/nfl-new-england-patriots-deflategate-fumbles-tom-brady-bill-belichick

Bruce all I can go by in this situation is to me new hard footballs are slicker and harder to hold onto than old softer footballs. I still think deflated footballs could lead to lower fumble rates. Also for me a softer football is easier to throw, but I have small hands.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/17/2016 4:39:33 PM   
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In theory a softer ball should improve grip thus causing fewer fumbles.

However,

the Patriots fumbled the least before deflategate and fumbled the least post deflategate

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/17/2016 7:20:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

In theory a softer ball should improve grip thus causing fewer fumbles.

However,

the Patriots fumbled the least before deflategate and fumbled the least post deflategate


And tore it up passing the ball in the second half of the AFCCC game after the balls were "re"inflated.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/23/2016 4:55:35 PM   
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Love these.
Look at John Fox.
Just ..... look at him.
Hilarious stuff in there.
Figured Jack would be the MAN. Loved him during his stay here.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/24/2016 6:31:04 PM   
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DALLAS (AP) — An attorney handling Johnny Manziel's domestic violence case expressed doubts about the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback's ability to stay clean and said he was given a receipt that shows Manziel may have spent more than $1,000 at a drug paraphernalia store just 15 hours after he was involved in a hit-and-run crash, according to a lengthy text message accidentally sent to The Associated Press.

Defense attorney Bob Hinton's text indicated Manziel's legal team was seeking a plea deal with prosecutors, but suggested that could be tricky.

"Heaven help us if one of the conditions is to pee in a bottle," the attorney wrote.

Hinton also wrote that he had been emailed a "heads up" receipt "which purports to reflect" that Manziel made a purchase of $1,018.77 at a Gas Pipe store at 12:03 p.m. on Tuesday, less than a day after his crash. A manager at a Gas Pipe location not far from where Manziel's crash was reported declined to discuss whether he bought anything there. A sign in the store says ID is required for purchases above $200.

"I don't know if the receipt is legitimate or not," Hinton responded when asked about it by the AP. "I just know that it doesn't say Johnny's name on it anywhere that I can see. It's just that somebody in that store, I guess, circulated that to the other store managers and employees saying, 'Guess who was here today and spent this amount of money.' That's all I know."

The errant text was sent Wednesday after the AP sought comment via text about Monday night's crash. When asked about the text, Hinton said he had meant to send it to another attorney on the case and was unaware the AP had received it instead. He insisted the contents were protected by attorney-client privilege and threatened to sue if certain details were published.

The text shows that Manziel's attorneys are pushing for leniency, even as they grapple with indications he could still be struggling with substance abuse more than a year after his stay in a rehab center. The charges the former Cleveland Browns quarterback is facing come amid heightened scrutiny of legal cases involving professional athletes following domestic violence accusations against NFL players Ray Rice and Greg Hardy.

The 23-year-old Manziel is accused of hitting and threatening former girlfriend Colleen Crowley during a night out in January. He faces a misdemeanor assault charge that carries a penalty of up to a year in jail and a $4,000 fine.

As the case has played out, the 2012 Heisman winner at Texas A&M has been photographed partying from Hollywood to Las Vegas to New York in recent months, and his own family has expressed concern about his well-being after he was cut by the Browns this year after two underwhelming seasons.

Hinton's text said the Gas Pipe receipt was sent to him by an attorney who is involved in a federal case accusing two people affiliated with the chain of making and selling synthetic marijuana. Manziel's spokeswoman, Denise Michaels, called the purchase "a rumor" in a statement to the AP.

"We don't know for sure whether the receipt does or doesn't represent a purchase he made since there are always unfounded stories flying around, but we all make it a policy to keep each other up to date on them," she said.

Hinton also wrote that he had met Wednesday morning with Jerry Varney, an administrative chief in the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

"He is very interested in working with us to arrive at some agreement" in the case, he wrote. A spokeswoman for the DA's office did not comment.

Dallas police said Manziel reported that his car had been struck Monday night in a hit-and-run, but Hinton said in the text that there was "conflict as to whether Johnny reported it or not." Manziel was not seriously injured.

It's unclear how close Manziel's domestic violence case is to being resolved. Similar cases usually result in deferred adjudication probation, meaning the charges are dismissed after one to two years, said David Finn, a Dallas attorney and former judge who is not associated with the Manziel case.

Finn said drug-testing conditions depend on whether the defendant has shown a pattern of substance abuse. The defendant is normally required to enroll in anger management classes and a domestic violence program, an outcome similar to that of Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant when he faced a misdemeanor charge in 2012 over an incident in which he allegedly struck his mother with a hat.

Manziel's rise and fall has long been punctuated with headlines for his off-field partying. The Browns selected the player dubbed "Johnny Football" in 2014, but he struggled on the field and was dropped this year. Since the 2015 season ended, two agents have cut ties with Manziel after demanding a second trip to rehab. He also faces potential punishment from the NFL under tougher standards regarding domestic violence cases adopted in 2014 following the Rice case. However, he is not currently with a team, and therefore not subject to league policies.

The allegations stem from a night out on Jan. 30. Crowley alleged Manziel accosted her at a Dallas hotel, a confrontation that continued downstairs to the valet station. She said he forced her into a car and that a valet disregarded her pleas for help.

The two eventually drove to where her car was parked in front of a Dallas bar, she said in an affidavit. She said Manziel got into the driver's seat and began to drive. Crowley said Manziel stopped when she tried to jump out of the car, but that he then dragged her back inside and hit her.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/24/2016 6:38:16 PM   
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thanks, cleveland, for stepping in front of that bullet to the head....

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/24/2016 6:55:28 PM   
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Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/24/2016 6:56:01 PM   
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tarvaris-jackson-arrested-for-allegedly-pulling-gun-on-wife/ar-AAhB5E1?li=BBnb7Kz

It says he was our first round pick, so I don't know how accurate the rest is

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/24/2016 7:51:43 PM   
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DALLAS (AP) — An attorney handling Johnny Manziel's domestic violence case expressed doubts about the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback's ability to stay clean and said he was given a receipt that shows Manziel may have spent more than $1,000 at a drug paraphernalia store just 15 hours after he was involved in a hit-and-run crash, according to a lengthy text message accidentally sent to The Associated Press.

Defense attorney Bob Hinton's text indicated Manziel's legal team was seeking a plea deal with prosecutors, but suggested that could be tricky.

"Heaven help us if one of the conditions is to pee in a bottle," the attorney wrote.

Hinton also wrote that he had been emailed a "heads up" receipt "which purports to reflect" that Manziel made a purchase of $1,018.77 at a Gas Pipe store at 12:03 p.m. on Tuesday, less than a day after his crash. A manager at a Gas Pipe location not far from where Manziel's crash was reported declined to discuss whether he bought anything there. A sign in the store says ID is required for purchases above $200.

"I don't know if the receipt is legitimate or not," Hinton responded when asked about it by the AP. "I just know that it doesn't say Johnny's name on it anywhere that I can see. It's just that somebody in that store, I guess, circulated that to the other store managers and employees saying, 'Guess who was here today and spent this amount of money.' That's all I know."

The errant text was sent Wednesday after the AP sought comment via text about Monday night's crash. When asked about the text, Hinton said he had meant to send it to another attorney on the case and was unaware the AP had received it instead. He insisted the contents were protected by attorney-client privilege and threatened to sue if certain details were published.

The text shows that Manziel's attorneys are pushing for leniency, even as they grapple with indications he could still be struggling with substance abuse more than a year after his stay in a rehab center. The charges the former Cleveland Browns quarterback is facing come amid heightened scrutiny of legal cases involving professional athletes following domestic violence accusations against NFL players Ray Rice and Greg Hardy.

The 23-year-old Manziel is accused of hitting and threatening former girlfriend Colleen Crowley during a night out in January. He faces a misdemeanor assault charge that carries a penalty of up to a year in jail and a $4,000 fine.

As the case has played out, the 2012 Heisman winner at Texas A&M has been photographed partying from Hollywood to Las Vegas to New York in recent months, and his own family has expressed concern about his well-being after he was cut by the Browns this year after two underwhelming seasons.

Hinton's text said the Gas Pipe receipt was sent to him by an attorney who is involved in a federal case accusing two people affiliated with the chain of making and selling synthetic marijuana. Manziel's spokeswoman, Denise Michaels, called the purchase "a rumor" in a statement to the AP.

"We don't know for sure whether the receipt does or doesn't represent a purchase he made since there are always unfounded stories flying around, but we all make it a policy to keep each other up to date on them," she said.

Hinton also wrote that he had met Wednesday morning with Jerry Varney, an administrative chief in the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

"He is very interested in working with us to arrive at some agreement" in the case, he wrote. A spokeswoman for the DA's office did not comment.

Dallas police said Manziel reported that his car had been struck Monday night in a hit-and-run, but Hinton said in the text that there was "conflict as to whether Johnny reported it or not." Manziel was not seriously injured.

It's unclear how close Manziel's domestic violence case is to being resolved. Similar cases usually result in deferred adjudication probation, meaning the charges are dismissed after one to two years, said David Finn, a Dallas attorney and former judge who is not associated with the Manziel case.

Finn said drug-testing conditions depend on whether the defendant has shown a pattern of substance abuse. The defendant is normally required to enroll in anger management classes and a domestic violence program, an outcome similar to that of Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant when he faced a misdemeanor charge in 2012 over an incident in which he allegedly struck his mother with a hat.

Manziel's rise and fall has long been punctuated with headlines for his off-field partying. The Browns selected the player dubbed "Johnny Football" in 2014, but he struggled on the field and was dropped this year. Since the 2015 season ended, two agents have cut ties with Manziel after demanding a second trip to rehab. He also faces potential punishment from the NFL under tougher standards regarding domestic violence cases adopted in 2014 following the Rice case. However, he is not currently with a team, and therefore not subject to league policies.

The allegations stem from a night out on Jan. 30. Crowley alleged Manziel accosted her at a Dallas hotel, a confrontation that continued downstairs to the valet station. She said he forced her into a car and that a valet disregarded her pleas for help.

The two eventually drove to where her car was parked in front of a Dallas bar, she said in an affidavit. She said Manziel got into the driver's seat and began to drive. Crowley said Manziel stopped when she tried to jump out of the car, but that he then dragged her back inside and hit her.


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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 7:28:53 AM   
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Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."


This is just plumb sad. To piss away a career in football will haunt him the rest of his days provided he doesn't OD first.

Just shows you how powerful of a grip drugs can have on a person.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 9:07:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."


This is just plumb sad. To piss away a career in football will haunt him the rest of his days provided he doesn't OD first.

Just shows you how powerful of a grip drugs can have on a person.

I wonder what kind of drugs he's addicted to?
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 9:44:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."


This is just plumb sad. To piss away a career in football will haunt him the rest of his days provided he doesn't OD first.

Just shows you how powerful of a grip drugs can have on a person.

I wonder what kind of drugs he's addicted to?


Evident from the selfy with a rolled up dollar bill he's snorting something.

A lot of different drugs can be snorted even crushed up pills.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 10:16:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."


This is just plumb sad. To piss away a career in football will haunt him the rest of his days provided he doesn't OD first.

Just shows you how powerful of a grip drugs can have on a person.

I wonder what kind of drugs he's addicted to?


Evident from the selfy with a rolled up dollar bill he's snorting something.

A lot of different drugs can be snorted even crushed up pills.

I guess I'm thinking better Coke than meth or crack. And if it's just pot and booze, come the F on, man! Get your self clean and join the human race.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 11:05:46 AM   
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Maybe he has graduated up to the needle

Otherwise agree. Show some damned will power.

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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 11:11:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Adam Schefter:

Paul Manziel, speaking about his son Johnny, to ESPN's Josina Anderson: "He's a druggie. It's not a secret that he's a druggie. I don't know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn't seeked it yet. Hopefully he doesn't die before he comes to his senses. That's about all you can say. I don't know what else to say. I hate to say it but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him. So we'll see."


I had him in rehab and he escaped and the doctors let him go, and that is a whole other story. So, I mean, I had him and the system failed. It didn't work. He has more money than me so he can outrun me.

Like I said, there are two things are going to happen: He's either going to die, or he's going to figure out that he needs help. It's one of the two. But we've done everything that we can do. Life goes on. You can't just chase somebody that's not willing to listen.
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RE: Other NFL News - 6/25/2016 11:32:15 AM   
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I don't have any insight into the mind of a druggie, but since they have tried to get him into rehab and it didn't work, maybe the family needs to spread out a bunch of funeral arrangement material the next time he is there for dinner. Just casually open up a file of forms and start asking what kind of music he wants, who he wants to have as his pallbearers, who he wants to say the eulogy, etc.

Make it clear to him that his funeral is right around the corner and the family just wants to be ready when it happens. Show him materials on cremation, headstones - all of the choices they will be making on his behalf, and invite him to make the choices himself.

I don't know if that would snap him around, but at least they will have accomplished the task of having those decisions made. Oh, and make sure he writes them a check to cover all of the costs.

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