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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The polls didn't work out well for Hillary at all. Not sure what your point is. The fact that we have people who fell for pizzagate, birtherism, "I'm not a racist", etc. is the point I was making.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The polls didn't work out well for Hillary at all. Not sure what your point is. The fact that we have people who fell for pizzagate, birtherism, "I'm not a racist", etc. is the point I was making.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The polls didn't work out well for Hillary at all. Not sure what your point is. The fact that we have people who fell for pizzagate, birtherism, "I'm not a racist", etc. is the point I was making.

I tried not to be too subtle. The point being someone spouting about people being gullible 1 sentence after basing their opinion on a poll.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The polls didn't work out well for Hillary at all. Not sure what your point is. The fact that we have people who fell for pizzagate, birtherism, "I'm not a racist", etc. is the point I was making.

I tried not to be too subtle. The point being someone spouting about people being gullible 1 sentence after basing their opinion on a poll.

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Seriously - why didn't you just say it more clearly? You are saying that I was gullible to believe the polls that Hillary was in the lead? Just say it for god's sake.

What fun is that?

Yep. The polls all showed her with a pretty substantial lead until the declaration by Jim Comey that they had re-opened the e-mail investigation. After that they plummeted but it was so late in the campaign season it was hard to interpret what that was going to mean on election day. I believe that many people who had planned to vote for Clinton were so deflated by yet another e-mail investigation that they ended up staying home. That didn't show up in the polls.

In the future, have the balls to come right out and make your accusation of me.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

I'm calling death threats to those who were performing or going to perform for the inauguration terrorism. How you construe death threats as being criticism I haven't a clue. I have seen zero evidence that shows me Trump is a racist. I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and I've never heard one peep about him being born in Kenya. He was according to some born in an Arab State, but I never heard Kenya.

OK I just looked it up. According to his Grandmother he was born in Kenya a story she told, but recanted later is what I read. I haven't a clue if it was from a reliable source. If Obama wasn't born in the USA it was an amazing cover up. I don't buy it at all.
You see how political I am having never heard of this until now. I have been aware of claims about Trump being racist and I found that important enough to look into. The accusations are always out of context and riddled with holes. You can find more stories about how Trump hired minorities and paid them well.

I have also heard how Trump is anti-immigrant. Funny that he married one. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Trump has never given her a hard time. Trump is anti illegal immigrant. Just be honest. Like I said he has real flaws. No point in making up fake ones.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not that any of this belongs in this thread but,

Trump getting elected was basically voters showing how dissatisfied to the state of of our country as a result of it being ruled by career politicians.

We're presented with basically two choices for president. To vote a jackass like Trump into office really shows how broken our system is.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

I'm calling death threats to those who were performing or going to perform for the inauguration terrorism. How you construe death threats as being criticism I haven't a clue. I have seen zero evidence that shows me Trump is a racist. I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and I've never heard one peep about him being born in Kenya. He was according to some born in an Arab State, but I never heard Kenya.

OK I just looked it up. According to his Grandmother he was born in Kenya a story she told, but recanted later is what I read. I haven't a clue if it was from a reliable source. If Obama wasn't born in the USA it was an amazing cover up. I don't buy it at all.
You see how political I am having never heard of this until now. I have been aware of claims about Trump being racist and I found that important enough to look into. The accusations are always out of context and riddled with holes. You can find more stories about how Trump hired minorities and paid them well.

I have also heard how Trump is anti-immigrant. Funny that he married one. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Trump has never given her a hard time. Trump is anti illegal immigrant. Just be honest. Like I said he has real flaws. No point in making up fake ones.

Dude, quit while you're behind.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Fred and Donald Trump were sued by the State of New York for discriminatory rental practices because they would not rent to blacks. Even their own employee testified that applications for rental units by blacks were to be put in a drawer. The Trump's settled with the state.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump's racial slurs were so obvious that David Duke, former Grand Master of the KKK proudly announced to the news media that Trump was their guy. That he spoke their message, loud and clear. His dog whistles included calling Mexicans rapists, proclaiming that we shouldn't allow any Muslims to cross our borders, that the Central Park 5 should be executed (even before the trial even began, and they were later exonerated), "just look at my African American", praising the statues of Civil War figures who were absolutely 100% racists...

Zero evidence that Trump is a racist? Hmmm.

As for the Kenya claim - oh my gosh - you missed almost an entire decade. If you were hospitalized with a head injury you could be forgiven for missing an extremely blatant attempt to discredit and destroy a good man's legacy, but not many other people missed it. Some (45% of Republicans) actually swallowed the kool-aid and joined right in the fray. Every one else pretty much just shook their head and decried what a despicable man Donald Trump is for so vehemently propagating a hateful lie.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

I'm calling death threats to those who were performing or going to perform for the inauguration terrorism. How you construe death threats as being criticism I haven't a clue. I have seen zero evidence that shows me Trump is a racist. I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and I've never heard one peep about him being born in Kenya. He was according to some born in an Arab State, but I never heard Kenya.

OK I just looked it up. According to his Grandmother he was born in Kenya a story she told, but recanted later is what I read. I haven't a clue if it was from a reliable source. If Obama wasn't born in the USA it was an amazing cover up. I don't buy it at all.
You see how political I am having never heard of this until now. I have been aware of claims about Trump being racist and I found that important enough to look into. The accusations are always out of context and riddled with holes. You can find more stories about how Trump hired minorities and paid them well.

I have also heard how Trump is anti-immigrant. Funny that he married one. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Trump has never given her a hard time. Trump is anti illegal immigrant. Just be honest. Like I said he has real flaws. No point in making up fake ones.

Dude, quit while you're behind.

Don't feel like I am behind at all Ian. I guess that will make you feel like I am even more behind. I believe I made very solid points about how much BS it is that Trump is anti-immigrant, that the liberals practiced extreme terrorism threatening the lives of performers. I will take any claim that Trump is a racist with a huge grain of salt. As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication. That would mean the entire story was made up. I won't believe that just on her say so same as I won't believe he was born in Kenya because somebody said so. After examining the evidence I strongly believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that was my belief before examining the evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

I'm calling death threats to those who were performing or going to perform for the inauguration terrorism. How you construe death threats as being criticism I haven't a clue. I have seen zero evidence that shows me Trump is a racist. I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and I've never heard one peep about him being born in Kenya. He was according to some born in an Arab State, but I never heard Kenya.

OK I just looked it up. According to his Grandmother he was born in Kenya a story she told, but recanted later is what I read. I haven't a clue if it was from a reliable source. If Obama wasn't born in the USA it was an amazing cover up. I don't buy it at all.
You see how political I am having never heard of this until now. I have been aware of claims about Trump being racist and I found that important enough to look into. The accusations are always out of context and riddled with holes. You can find more stories about how Trump hired minorities and paid them well.

I have also heard how Trump is anti-immigrant. Funny that he married one. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Trump has never given her a hard time. Trump is anti illegal immigrant. Just be honest. Like I said he has real flaws. No point in making up fake ones.

Dude, quit while you're behind.

Don't feel like I am behind at all Ian. I guess that will make you feel like I am even more behind. I believe I made very solid points about how much BS it is that Trump is anti-immigrant, that the liberals practiced extreme terrorism threatening the lives of performers. I will take any claim that Trump is a racist with a huge grain of salt. As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication. That would mean the entire story was made up. I won't believe that just on her say so same as I won't believe he was born in Kenya because somebody said so. After examining the evidence I strongly believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that was my belief before examining the evidence.

Again, quit while you're behind.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Fred and Donald Trump were sued by the State of New York for discriminatory rental practices because they would not rent to blacks. Even their own employee testified that applications for rental units by blacks were to be put in a drawer. The Trump's settled with the state.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump's racial slurs were so obvious that David Duke, former Grand Master of the KKK proudly announced to the news media that Trump was their guy. That he spoke their message, loud and clear. His dog whistles included calling Mexicans rapists, proclaiming that we shouldn't allow any Muslims to cross our borders, that the Central Park 5 should be executed (even before the trial even began, and they were later exonerated), "just look at my African American", praising the statues of Civil War figures who were absolutely 100% racists...

Zero evidence that Trump is a racist? Hmmm.

As for the Kenya claim - oh my gosh - you missed almost an entire decade. If you were hospitalized with a head injury you could be forgiven for missing an extremely blatant attempt to discredit and destroy a good man's legacy, but not many other people missed it. Some (45% of Republicans) actually swallowed the kool-aid and joined right in the fray. Every one else pretty much just shook their head and decried what a despicable man Donald Trump is for so vehemently propagating a hateful lie.

Lynn the point you miss regarding Kenya is I never cared where he was born. I avoid politics like the plague in most cases. Once in a long while I'm moved to take some form of action. Your post got me to look into it. Now are you saying the Kenya thing is a 100% fabrication and his grandmother never said anything of the sort? It wouldn't surprise me at all either way. There are legit reasons to dislike Trump, He's a pompous windbag, but most politicians are. He at times is rude and crude, he is over reactive, and he takes a sledgehammer approach to most issues. However, I think anybody subjected to the liberal abuse that he is subjected to would either go fetal or come out in a fighting posture. It's hard to know what to believe when so many of the claims against Trump are either fabrications or serious bending of the truth.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

We have proof of the effectiveness of propaganda right in front of us. The fact that someone is completely unaware that Trump has aligned himself with white supremicists, and to call criticism of Donald Trump terrorism, are perfect examples of how minds can be convinced that the the sun rises in the west. Polls also show that something like 45% of Republicans fell hook, line and sinker for the complete fabrication that Obama was born in Kenya. We have a lot of extremely gullible people in our nation.

I'm calling death threats to those who were performing or going to perform for the inauguration terrorism. How you construe death threats as being criticism I haven't a clue. I have seen zero evidence that shows me Trump is a racist. I thought Obama was born in Hawaii and I've never heard one peep about him being born in Kenya. He was according to some born in an Arab State, but I never heard Kenya.

OK I just looked it up. According to his Grandmother he was born in Kenya a story she told, but recanted later is what I read. I haven't a clue if it was from a reliable source. If Obama wasn't born in the USA it was an amazing cover up. I don't buy it at all.
You see how political I am having never heard of this until now. I have been aware of claims about Trump being racist and I found that important enough to look into. The accusations are always out of context and riddled with holes. You can find more stories about how Trump hired minorities and paid them well.

I have also heard how Trump is anti-immigrant. Funny that he married one. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Trump has never given her a hard time. Trump is anti illegal immigrant. Just be honest. Like I said he has real flaws. No point in making up fake ones.

Dude, quit while you're behind.

Don't feel like I am behind at all Ian. I guess that will make you feel like I am even more behind. I believe I made very solid points about how much BS it is that Trump is anti-immigrant, that the liberals practiced extreme terrorism threatening the lives of performers. I will take any claim that Trump is a racist with a huge grain of salt. As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication. That would mean the entire story was made up. I won't believe that just on her say so same as I won't believe he was born in Kenya because somebody said so. After examining the evidence I strongly believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that was my belief before examining the evidence.

Again, quit while you're behind.

And please NEVER, EVER vote. EVER.

Politifact: Trump Lies about Obama Birth

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Fred and Donald Trump were sued by the State of New York for discriminatory rental practices because they would not rent to blacks. Even their own employee testified that applications for rental units by blacks were to be put in a drawer. The Trump's settled with the state.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump's racial slurs were so obvious that David Duke, former Grand Master of the KKK proudly announced to the news media that Trump was their guy. That he spoke their message, loud and clear. His dog whistles included calling Mexicans rapists, proclaiming that we shouldn't allow any Muslims to cross our borders, that the Central Park 5 should be executed (even before the trial even began, and they were later exonerated), "just look at my African American", praising the statues of Civil War figures who were absolutely 100% racists...

Zero evidence that Trump is a racist? Hmmm.

As for the Kenya claim - oh my gosh - you missed almost an entire decade. If you were hospitalized with a head injury you could be forgiven for missing an extremely blatant attempt to discredit and destroy a good man's legacy, but not many other people missed it. Some (45% of Republicans) actually swallowed the kool-aid and joined right in the fray. Every one else pretty much just shook their head and decried what a despicable man Donald Trump is for so vehemently propagating a hateful lie.

Lynn the point you miss regarding Kenya is I never cared where he was born. I avoid politics like the plague in most cases. Once in a long while I'm moved to take some form of action. Your post got me to look into it. Now are you saying the Kenya thing is a 100% fabrication and his grandmother never said anything of the sort? It wouldn't surprise me at all either way. There are legit reasons to dislike Trump, He's a pompous windbag, but most politicians are. He at times is rude and crude, he is over reactive, and he takes a sledgehammer approach to most issues. However, I think anybody subjected to the liberal abuse that he is subjected to would either go fetal or come out in a fighting posture. It's hard to know what to believe when so many of the claims against Trump are either fabrications or serious bending of the truth.

You're out of your depth. Use your ninja logic to know it's time to stop.

AND NEVER, EVER VOTE.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Fred and Donald Trump were sued by the State of New York for discriminatory rental practices because they would not rent to blacks. Even their own employee testified that applications for rental units by blacks were to be put in a drawer. The Trump's settled with the state.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump's racial slurs were so obvious that David Duke, former Grand Master of the KKK proudly announced to the news media that Trump was their guy. That he spoke their message, loud and clear. His dog whistles included calling Mexicans rapists, proclaiming that we shouldn't allow any Muslims to cross our borders, that the Central Park 5 should be executed (even before the trial even began, and they were later exonerated), "just look at my African American", praising the statues of Civil War figures who were absolutely 100% racists...

Zero evidence that Trump is a racist? Hmmm.

As for the Kenya claim - oh my gosh - you missed almost an entire decade. If you were hospitalized with a head injury you could be forgiven for missing an extremely blatant attempt to discredit and destroy a good man's legacy, but not many other people missed it. Some (45% of Republicans) actually swallowed the kool-aid and joined right in the fray. Every one else pretty much just shook their head and decried what a despicable man Donald Trump is for so vehemently propagating a hateful lie.

Lynn the point you miss regarding Kenya is I never cared where he was born. I avoid politics like the plague in most cases. Once in a long while I'm moved to take some form of action. Your post got me to look into it. Now are you saying the Kenya thing is a 100% fabrication and his grandmother never said anything of the sort? It wouldn't surprise me at all either way. There are legit reasons to dislike Trump, He's a pompous windbag, but most politicians are. He at times is rude and crude, he is over reactive, and he takes a sledgehammer approach to most issues. However, I think anybody subjected to the liberal abuse that he is subjected to would either go fetal or come out in a fighting posture. It's hard to know what to believe when so many of the claims against Trump are either fabrications or serious bending of the truth.

You're out of your depth. Use your ninja logic to know it's time to stop.

AND NEVER, EVER VOTE.

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As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

However, I think anybody subjected to the liberal abuse that he is subjected to would either go fetal or come out in a fighting posture. It's hard to know what to believe when so many of the claims against Trump are either fabrications or serious bending of the truth.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

However, I think anybody subjected to the liberal abuse that he is subjected to would either go fetal or come out in a fighting posture. It's hard to know what to believe when so many of the claims against Trump are either fabrications or serious bending of the truth.

Oh, I get it. You've bought into the "Trump is a victim" meme he likes to twit about so often. When someone so vehemently and cruelly attacks everyone around him, he doesn't get the right to play the victim card. When someone spends his entire adult life lining his own pockets at the expense of destroying small businesses along the way, he doesn't get to play the victim card. When someone spews blatant lie after lie, some small but others of enormous consequence, he doesn't get to play the victim card.

Liberal abuse? You have GOT to be kidding me? If the situation were reversed and he was a Dem instead of a Rep, Republicans would have begun calling for impeachment on his inauguration day. In fact that's what they claimed they were going to do if Hillary had been elected. Republicans in Congress actually said that if she were elected they would begin impeachment hearings on day 1. Instead we have only a handful of Democrats who have barely used the "I" word. The rest are waiting for the legitimate and constitutional investigation by (Republican) Robert Mueller, ordered by (Republican) Asst. AG Rosenstein, to fully run its course.

Liberal abuse. The man gives out 1000 times more than he gets in the way of abuse. Donald Trump is no victim.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

KG -

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As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication.

I never said anything like that at all. I never once mentioned the Obama grandmother claim, who was referring to seeing Obama's FATHER's birth (they have the same name), not our President. I was simply responding to your comment that you hadn't heard any claims that Obama was born in Kenya, and it seemed like you would have had to have been in a coma not to have heard all of those conspiracy chants.

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I do lean conservative, because I see the liberals taking more horrific actions than the conservatives most of the time.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

KG -

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As for the Kenya thing did Obama's grandmother at one time say he was born in Kenya or not? Lynn is claiming it is a complete fabrication.

I never said anything like that at all. I never once mentioned the Obama grandmother claim, who was referring to seeing Obama's FATHER's birth (they have the same name), not our President. I was simply responding to your comment that you hadn't heard any claims that Obama was born in Kenya, and it seemed like you would have had to have been in a coma not to have heard all of those conspiracy chants.

Lynn you did say it was a complete fabrication. To me the word complete means there was nothing whatsoever factual that it was based on. I get very literal about words. Your explanation of the matter is very satisfactory to me.