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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 7:31:48 PM

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I have refrained from political commentary for awhile, now. I do think it is wonderful that sports can bring people together from different persuasions. There is so much dividing us, especially in the world of politics, but sports can bring us together with a common love for the games and a common longing for the thrill of victory. That's all I'll say, even though I'm interested in the current affairs as any of you. I would rather enjoy feeling closer to you.

Since about 2000, middle ground in politics has slowly went away. Pretty much gone now.

We all have the same goal as Viking fans.

We have devolved into a society that despises anybody with a different viewpoint. It is a sad state of affairs.

No. We despise the viewpoint. We're just dumbfounded that ANY person could have or maintain such a thought process and we react to them accordingly.

Right and half of America voted for Trump and the other half for Clinton so 100% of America despises each other. How about accepting the result and not hating those who voted different from you.

You should come from your Arizona position of privilege and see a different perspective of life, beyond what the news on television tells you. You have no idea what you're talking about, again.

The only thing more dense than your social awareness is your self awareness.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 8:22:38 PM

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I have refrained from political commentary for awhile, now. I do think it is wonderful that sports can bring people together from different persuasions. There is so much dividing us, especially in the world of politics, but sports can bring us together with a common love for the games and a common longing for the thrill of victory. That's all I'll say, even though I'm interested in the current affairs as any of you. I would rather enjoy feeling closer to you.

Since about 2000, middle ground in politics has slowly went away. Pretty much gone now.

We all have the same goal as Viking fans.

We have devolved into a society that despises anybody with a different viewpoint. It is a sad state of affairs.

No. We despise the viewpoint. We're just dumbfounded that ANY person could have or maintain such a thought process and we react to them accordingly.

Right and half of America voted for Trump and the other half for Clinton so 100% of America despises each other. How about accepting the result and not hating those who voted different from you.

You should come from your Arizona position of privilege and see a different perspective of life, beyond what the news on television tells you. You have no idea what you're talking about, again.

The only thing more dense than your social awareness is your self awareness.

Ian you think I have a position of privilege????
I grew up ridiculously poor. I have lived in north and south Minneapolis. I raised three kids either on food stamps or when an option working 80 hour weeks. I currently live in Flagstaff, AZ area which is a town known as Poverty with a View. Your awareness when it comes to me is as low as it can possibly be.
My statement you replied to wasn't meant to be taken literally in case you didn't notice. My statement was how sad our state of affairs is when we hate and name call those who don't hold our viewpoint. Saying I'm dense when I hold a masters degree and graduated first in my class is so offensive. I don't get into name calling and I respect you. You don't give me the same courtesy.
As for news on television I haven't intentionally watched the news since I was in my teens. I am currently 59.
As for social awareness I don't care whatsoever about posting things that others will agree with or like. I would rather be honest and let the chips fall where they may.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 8:37:31 PM

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What ever happened to "respectfully disagree"? I mean, we can be respectful even if we are dumbfounded.

Some things arent on the level of respectful disagreement. In those cases, we arent talking about tax cuts, public assistance, health care.

We are talking bigotry, discrimination, racism, other acts of hate. You cant respectfully disagree with that kind of stuff.

I see what you are saying. Definitely needs to be called out.

But, a lot of times, what I see though is if you don't agree with someone on things like tax cuts, public assistance or health care, somehow racism or some other 'ism' will come into play. It cheapens the real racism. Boy crying wolf type thing.

There is prevailing thought that socioeconomic challenges in many communities are not by accident and are systematically influenced by key law makers and enforcers as a form of covert, yet intentional racism or discrimination. I dont totally agree or disagree with that, but coming from a family that has roots and still resides in what many would consider "the ghetto," I see whatever is occurring continue to unfold everyday. When the liquor store count is up, but employment rate is down, something is wrong.

Now, how much of that is related to covert racism/discrimination and how much of it is based on the community not doing it's part is for great debate, one I am not looking to start in this thread. But, that's definitely where people believe where and how racism influences those topics.

Ian, not to put you on the spot or anything, but I love to hear what you have to say on these things, in part because I cannot possibly speak to them from my gut. In my early 20's, I had a couple buds in the service who, while respecting that I was 'aight' educated me to some of bigger white/black issues that as an 18 year old cracker from the midwest I was clueless to

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 8:44:42 PM

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I dont have all the answers nor is my perspective the ONLY perspective. I've just had a different life experience that flies in the face of alot of things discussed on this board, especially on this thread in the last few days. And I wouldnt even classify my experience as extreme.

But, I'd love to speak on some things, if asked. Just not in this thread. It's already gone way down the social equality path, partly due to my comments in response to some others.

Pose them elsewhere and then let's discuss.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 9:14:39 PM

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David Johnson signs a 13 million AAV extension.

Cardinals signed David Johnson to a three-year, $39 million extension.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Sep 8 - 10:01 PM

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 9:15:14 PM

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Oh I almost forgot, Skol Vikings!!

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/8/2018 10:15:15 PM

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Oh I almost forgot, Skol Vikings!!

LOL wrong thread. This is the other NFL news. Of course a lot of what's being talked about hasn't been NFL news.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 7:34:34 AM

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Even if someone is a racist, etc., anger and hatred does not work to change them. Of course they are pathetic, but perhaps we are all pathetic in some respect. I am pathetic in some respects. I really am.

How can we change people? Certainly setting a good example and offering insight and education would be helpful. Do we want other people to be angry and hateful? Karl Marx even said that violence was necessary to make the needed changes and he also said that religion was the opiate of the people. I don't buy that. You can call it wacky, but my religious faith says that that is the spirit of the anti-christ.

I certainly appreciate when others are respectful to me and when they are there is a better chance that I will listen to what they are saying. I realize that doesn't work for everyone, but someone has to act like a mature adult in a world that seems to be filled with grown up kids. True love and genuinely caring for others is the best chance to change the world. That's what I believe. Sorry that I guess I couldn't refrain from preaching again on a football thread. I'm probably making someone mad. I'll shut up now and get back to football.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 9:17:02 AM

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Even if someone is a racist, etc., anger and hatred does not work to change them. Of course they are pathetic, but perhaps we are all pathetic in some respect. I am pathetic in some respects. I really am.

How can we change people? Certainly setting a good example and offering insight and education would be helpful. Do we want other people to be angry and hateful? Karl Marx even said that violence was necessary to make the needed changes and he also said that religion was the opiate of the people. I don't buy that. You can call it wacky, but my religious faith says that that is the spirit of the anti-christ.

I certainly appreciate when others are respectful to me and when they are there is a better chance that I will listen to what they are saying. I realize that doesn't work for everyone, but someone has to act like a mature adult in a world that seems to be filled with grown up kids. True love and genuinely caring for others is the best chance to change the world. That's what I believe. Sorry that I guess I couldn't refrain from preaching again on a football thread. I'm probably making someone mad. I'll shut up now and get back to football.

You didn't make me mad. As Todd Rundgren wrote in his great song "Light of the World Shine on me. Love is the Answer."

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 4:21:09 PM

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Adrian Peterson with his 100th rushing TD today. I'm happy for him. Hope he has a great season.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 4:49:22 PM

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With a minute and 35 seconds remaining in the half Case Keenum heading for a very big day.
C. Keenum
14-22, 227 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 8:59:19 PM

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Now this guy I can get behind, as opposed to the grandstanding attention seeking Kaepernick..

That included Malcolm Jenkins of the Eagles, who raised his fist during the anthem last season but did not for the opener. During pregame warmups, he wore a shirt that read "Ca$h bail (equals) poverty trap."

Jenkins, a founder of the Players Coalition which was formed to tackle issues similar to those Kaepernick is concerned about, said he would like to move the focus away from the anthem.

"I think there's a huge need for us to turn the attention to not only the issues, but what players are actually doing in their communities to promote change," he said. "We're trying to move past the rhetoric of what's right or what's wrong in terms of the anthem, and really focus on the systematic issues that are plaguing our communities."

Not really about Kaepernichk

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 9:46:04 PM

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Bears on a 3rd and one go with a complicated play that ends up with them throwing a pass across the field to a receiver behind the line of scrimmage. He gets tackled right on the spot and the Bears punt. Stupid. Pukers have momentum and this could be Aaron's version of the MJ Flu game leading a dramatic comeback against all odds. Honestly I think the Bears hold on.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 9:55:18 PM

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Does Trubisky think he is Cam Newton?

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:11:09 PM

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The Bears have Jordan Howard and a 3rd and 1. They run him it brings the clock down to 2 minutes whether he gets the first down or not. The Packers have no timeouts. So instead they pass for it and incomplete leaving the Packers with 2:39 after kicking the FG. Are the Bears trying to lose?

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:11:50 PM

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Pretty pathetic by Chicago, should just ran a run play, got the 1st down and ran out the clock.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:14:20 PM

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Pretty pathetic by Chicago, should just ran a run play, got the 1st down and ran out the clock.

That's all they had to do. Go for it on 4th down if you don't get it on 3rd.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:14:56 PM

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Come on Bears. March down the field for the FG and win this.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:17:35 PM

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Actually, instead of kicking the FG, the Bears still could have tried a run play, to pick up the 1 yard.

Pick up the 1 yard, and they win the game. Kick a FG, and you go up by 6, and give Erin all kinds of time, well over 2 minutes.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:18:26 PM

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Didn't know you had put that, was thinking the same KGDABOM.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:24:03 PM

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One of the most brain dead plays I have ever seen by Clay Matthews. Trubisky throwing a pass on fourth down and gets it off. Matthews takes two steps and hits him hard with one arm going to the head. The refs had no choice but to call it.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/9/2018 10:25:13 PM

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Trubisky is NOT a legit NFL QB.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/10/2018 7:49:10 AM

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One of the most brain dead plays I have ever seen by Clay Matthews. Trubisky throwing a pass on fourth down and gets it off. Matthews takes two steps and hits him hard with one arm going to the head. The refs had no choice but to call it.

He is a dirty player, IMHO. I detest him.

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/10/2018 9:53:43 AM

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Hunter and the new guy at 3 technique were awesome.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/09/vikings-danielle-hunter-jimmy-garoppolo-was-getting-scared-of-us/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

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RE: Other NFL News - 9/10/2018 9:54:47 AM

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Hunter and Richardson were awesome.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/09/vikings-danielle-hunter-jimmy-garoppolo-was-getting-scared-of-us/amp/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

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