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I pretend to know but I don't know.

I'm not entirely unconvinced our record wouldn't have been better if Flip coached us the entire year.

I've considered that possibility as well.

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

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It seems that John Sullivan played well this year for the Rams.

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It seems that John Sullivan played well this year for the Rams.

Correction: Continues to play well for the Rams this year.

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

This would mean Spielman blew the off-season again. He needs to ensure that the offensive line doesn't go into next season with any big question marks. Relying on moving Elf to guard and hoping that it works out is a failing proposition. In the offseason RS needs to sign a top tier guard like Saffold, plus a solid, consistent guard, plus Easton to a vet minimum deal. Then he needs to draft a guard or tackle in the first and another one in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough with signing guys and "hoping" they play well in a new position, or have recovered after an injury, or can be coached up because they've always sucked. The only thing that has worked at all for RS is using high draft picks on olinemen, or signing FA with proven track records. Late round guys and scrap heap free agents are late round guys and on the scrap heap for a reason. After this past year Spielman better have finally come to that realization.

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

This would mean Spielman blew the off-season again. He needs to ensure that the offensive line doesn't go into next season with any big question marks. Relying on moving Elf to guard and hoping that it works out is a failing proposition. In the offseason RS needs to sign a top tier guard like Saffold, plus a solid, consistent guard, plus Easton to a vet minimum deal. Then he needs to draft a guard or tackle in the first and another one in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough with signing guys and "hoping" they play well in a new position, or have recovered after an injury, or can be coached up because they've always sucked. The only thing that has worked at all for RS is using high draft picks on olinemen, or signing FA with proven track records. Late round guys and scrap heap free agents are late round guys and on the scrap heap for a reason. After this past year Spielman better have finally come to that realization.

Unless, of course, it works out.

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

This would mean Spielman blew the off-season again. He needs to ensure that the offensive line doesn't go into next season with any big question marks. Relying on moving Elf to guard and hoping that it works out is a failing proposition. In the offseason RS needs to sign a top tier guard like Saffold, plus a solid, consistent guard, plus Easton to a vet minimum deal. Then he needs to draft a guard or tackle in the first and another one in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough with signing guys and "hoping" they play well in a new position, or have recovered after an injury, or can be coached up because they've always sucked. The only thing that has worked at all for RS is using high draft picks on olinemen, or signing FA with proven track records. Late round guys and scrap heap free agents are late round guys and on the scrap heap for a reason. After this past year Spielman better have finally come to that realization.

Unless, of course, it works out.

Spielman got the Vikings into this mess because that's how he thinks. He hopes that things will work out, yet they never have. If he still hasn't figured that out, then this team is going to have the same problems next year, and that will be the end of his tenure with the Vikings.

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Spielman has done a lot of things very well. He also has some glaring mistakes in philosophy, like neglecting his O-line in the draft or wasting mid round picks on kickers or drafting Christian Ponder.

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Spielman has done a lot of things very well. He also has some glaring mistakes in philosophy, like neglecting his O-line in the draft or wasting mid round picks on kickers or drafting Christian Ponder.

It took Zimmer being here for him to realize that fast LBers are way better than huge "thumpers".

Maybe in a few years he'll realize TEs with speed are more important than guys who look like they might be good blockers.

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Spielman has done a lot of things very well. He also has some glaring mistakes in philosophy, like neglecting his O-line in the draft or wasting mid round picks on kickers or drafting Christian Ponder.

It took Zimmer being here for him to realize that fast LBers are way better than huge "thumpers".

Maybe in a few years he'll realize TEs with speed are more important than guys who look like they might be good blockers.

Yep. He has shown some adaptability, but he needs to keep improving. All and all, there are a lot worse GM's than Spielman in the NFL. There are definitely some better ones as well. Some better and some worse, doesn't generally get you to a Super Bowl. He either has to up his game or they need to make a change.

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

This would mean Spielman blew the off-season again. He needs to ensure that the offensive line doesn't go into next season with any big question marks. Relying on moving Elf to guard and hoping that it works out is a failing proposition. In the offseason RS needs to sign a top tier guard like Saffold, plus a solid, consistent guard, plus Easton to a vet minimum deal. Then he needs to draft a guard or tackle in the first and another one in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough with signing guys and "hoping" they play well in a new position, or have recovered after an injury, or can be coached up because they've always sucked. The only thing that has worked at all for RS is using high draft picks on olinemen, or signing FA with proven track records. Late round guys and scrap heap free agents are late round guys and on the scrap heap for a reason. After this past year Spielman better have finally come to that realization.

Unless, of course, it works out.

Spielman got the Vikings into this mess because that's how he thinks. He hopes that things will work out, yet they never have. If he still hasn't figured that out, then this team is going to have the same problems next year, and that will be the end of his tenure with the Vikings.

Let's be clear, EVERY GM hopes that things will work out. And you are wrong that they never have. Some things have worked out pretty well. Diggs and Theilen for example.

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Spielman has done a lot of things very well. He also has some glaring mistakes in philosophy, like neglecting his O-line in the draft or wasting mid round picks on kickers or drafting Christian Ponder.

It took Zimmer being here for him to realize that fast LBers are way better than huge "thumpers".

Maybe in a few years he'll realize TEs with speed are more important than guys who look like they might be good blockers.

Yep. He has shown some adaptability, but he needs to keep improving. All and all, there are a lot worse GM's than Spielman in the NFL. There are definitely some better ones as well. Some better and some worse, doesn't generally get you to a Super Bowl. He either has to up his game or they need to make a change.

Gathering talent hasn't been the problem...it is leadership. If you match the Vikings to almost any other playoff team they are lacking in QB, 2nd TE/3rd WR, and oline. So we need a coach to get Cousins to step up his game in playoffs and against playoff teams as he already can play....who better than Kubiak who can also figure out an effective run game. I remember Peyton being called a choker.

The Vikes have as much talent as any team out there.....there isn't much more that Spielman can do---he will fix the 2 major issues (TE/3rd WR and Oline). Kubiak will help with the oline and QB coach to Cousins.

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Spielman has done a lot of things very well. He also has some glaring mistakes in philosophy, like neglecting his O-line in the draft or wasting mid round picks on kickers or drafting Christian Ponder.

It took Zimmer being here for him to realize that fast LBers are way better than huge "thumpers".

Maybe in a few years he'll realize TEs with speed are more important than guys who look like they might be good blockers.

Yep. He has shown some adaptability, but he needs to keep improving. All and all, there are a lot worse GM's than Spielman in the NFL. There are definitely some better ones as well. Some better and some worse, doesn't generally get you to a Super Bowl. He either has to up his game or they need to make a change.

Gathering talent hasn't been the problem...it is leadership. If you match the Vikings to almost any other playoff team they are lacking in QB, 2nd TE/3rd WR, and oline. So we need a coach to get Cousins to step up his game in playoffs and against playoff teams as he already can play....who better than Kubiak who can also figure out an effective run game. I remember Peyton being called a choker.

The Vikes have as much talent as any team out there.....there isn't much more that Spielman can do---he will fix the 2 major issues (TE/3rd WR and Oline). Kubiak will help with the oline and QB coach to Cousins.

I can't agree with the bolded portion of your post.

Talent is weighted. Too much weight goes to the oline and we had too little success in that area last year to say we have as much as anyone -

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I will say that I am sorry for the vitriol on here today.

I was insulted and didn't take it well. I apologize to all the other posters including Pager and DL.

It's sad one can't have a conversation on here without someone being an insulting jerk And I admit I went too far. But others did too.

Peace.

You guys are all good posters. I appreciate you all.

Elflein had a tough sophomore year and I don't believe he was 100%. Still, good centers can be found in the mid rounds. I wanted Daniels last year. One option is for Elflein to switch to guard if we find a really good center in the draft. say in the third round. It might be good insurance in case Elflein doesn't come back to his rookie year form. I don't have the inside information on Elflein.

Also, I'm wondering if we make a scheme change on the line again next year. It may depend on who the offensive line coach is what he can bring to the team. Being that we are bringing former Denver Broncos coaches to the offense, my hunch is that we will stick with the zone blocking scheme, though. Maybe it's good to see some continuity. Every year there is a new offensive line coach and there are wholesale changes in personnel. With that in mind, I really do hope Elflein returns to form. That will help if there are three starters returning to their same positions.

Good post Bruce. Free Agency is also deeper at the center position. Guard drops off pretty rapidly after Saffold, while centers seems to have more upgrade type options. Getting a veteran stud at center might do more for the guard positions than anything. Then you have more flexibility with the draft. If the right guy falls to you at 18, scoop him up. But you don't have to reach. Have Easton, Elflien, and rookie competing for 2 spots.

I'd be talking with Elf already, see if he's open to it.

After the draft Elf said his preference was Guard, so, I bet he'd be more than happy to move over
unless he's changed his mind since then.

This would mean Spielman blew the off-season again. He needs to ensure that the offensive line doesn't go into next season with any big question marks. Relying on moving Elf to guard and hoping that it works out is a failing proposition. In the offseason RS needs to sign a top tier guard like Saffold, plus a solid, consistent guard, plus Easton to a vet minimum deal. Then he needs to draft a guard or tackle in the first and another one in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough with signing guys and "hoping" they play well in a new position, or have recovered after an injury, or can be coached up because they've always sucked. The only thing that has worked at all for RS is using high draft picks on olinemen, or signing FA with proven track records. Late round guys and scrap heap free agents are late round guys and on the scrap heap for a reason. After this past year Spielman better have finally come to that realization.

Unless, of course, it works out.

Spielman got the Vikings into this mess because that's how he thinks. He hopes that things will work out, yet they never have. If he still hasn't figured that out, then this team is going to have the same problems next year, and that will be the end of his tenure with the Vikings.

Let's be clear, EVERY GM hopes that things will work out. And you are wrong that they never have. Some things have worked out pretty well. Diggs and Theilen for example.

The team is littered with 4th round or later/UDFA probowlers.

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Here comes the snow - getting off of work early today

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Here comes the snow - getting off of work early today

Those conditions sound intolerable.

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Here comes the snow - getting off of work early today

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NFL @NFL
.@MoveTheSticks' 2019 Mock Draft 1.0:

1. AZ: Nick Bosa
2. SF: Rashan Gary
3. NYJ: Josh Allen
4-32. http://on.nfl.com/bTEOPM
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Someone needs to tell Moving the Sticks that Defensive Ends just aren't that important in the whole scheme of things ...

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NFL @NFL
.@MoveTheSticks' 2019 Mock Draft 1.0:

1. AZ: Nick Bosa
2. SF: Rashan Gary
3. NYJ: Josh Allen
4-32. http://on.nfl.com/bTEOPM
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Someone needs to tell Moving the Sticks that Defensive Ends just aren't that important in the whole scheme of things ...

No doubt. I like the Williams projection for us, though. So much will change between now and late April, though.

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Here comes the snow - getting off of work early today

We're out at 3:30. Sounds like the Apocalypse is coming, if you listen to the Chicago news today .