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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2019 6:56:06 PM

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FA olineman are not only scarce but extremely expensive.

We should have been drafting oline early and often for the last 5 years.

Amen! That's why this is the year to attack the problem in the draft. We are set up on defense. Go get one FA guard, sign Easton to a vet minimum then draft:

1st - Greg Little - T
2nd- Chris Lindstrom - G
3rd - TJ Hockenson - TE

Then address DT and LB.

Then win the f'n Superbowl!

I would be happy with either Ford or Little, but I like the rest of the picks. Ford is, to me, the best interior guy in the draft, but he can also play at tackle. Lindstrom is a very good guard, but he got pushed around a bit in Senior Bowl practices. His technique is great, though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2019 7:17:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

FA olineman are not only scarce but extremely expensive.

We should have been drafting oline early and often for the last 5 years.

Amen! That's why this is the year to attack the problem in the draft. We are set up on defense. Go get one FA guard, sign Easton to a vet minimum then draft:

1st - Greg Little - T
2nd- Chris Lindstrom - G
3rd - TJ Hockenson - TE

Then address DT and LB.

Then win the f'n Superbowl!

I would be happy with either Ford or Little, but I like the rest of the picks. Ford is, to me, the best interior guy in the draft, but he can also play at tackle. Lindstrom is a very good guard, but he got pushed around a bit in Senior Bowl practices. His technique is great, though.

I heard Lindstrom dominated in the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2019 7:30:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

FA olineman are not only scarce but extremely expensive.

We should have been drafting oline early and often for the last 5 years.

Amen! That's why this is the year to attack the problem in the draft. We are set up on defense. Go get one FA guard, sign Easton to a vet minimum then draft:

1st - Greg Little - T
2nd- Chris Lindstrom - G
3rd - TJ Hockenson - TE

Then address DT and LB.

Then win the f'n Superbowl!

I would be happy with either Ford or Little, but I like the rest of the picks. Ford is, to me, the best interior guy in the draft, but he can also play at tackle. Lindstrom is a very good guard, but he got pushed around a bit in Senior Bowl practices. His technique is great, though.

I heard Lindstrom dominated in the game.

He wasn't bad, but he was pushed back into the pocket several times. The impressive part of it was that he could use technique to wall players off and get the job done. If he gains some weight and increases his functional power, he'll be really good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/4/2019 8:15:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

FA olineman are not only scarce but extremely expensive.

We should have been drafting oline early and often for the last 5 years.

Amen! That's why this is the year to attack the problem in the draft. We are set up on defense. Go get one FA guard, sign Easton to a vet minimum then draft:

1st - Greg Little - T
2nd- Chris Lindstrom - G
3rd - TJ Hockenson - TE

Then address DT and LB.

Then win the f'n Superbowl!

Sign me up. I posted FA Guard list right after our embarrassing lost to the Bears (the second one). If Saffold resigns with the Rams, he wants to and the team has indicated they want him back - caveat with their salary cap situation they might not be able to, then FA G options aren't very good (pending any veteran cuts).

Best options to me, sign an upgrade at center. That FA seemed much younger, better, and cheaper (the last item is debatable https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/ there appears to me very little difference between guard and center. There are two guards worth trading for. The RFA of the NE Pats, who has been excellent filling in for injury (name starts with a K). And Sitton, where the Dolphins appear to be in tanking mode to get the best QB of 2020 or 2021. I would kick the tires on either to see if they would accept a 2020 pick (hopefully in the 5th-2nd range - I'd be willing to give a higher pick if MIA would pick up some/half/most of Sitton's salary).

In a vacuum. I'd sign a center, trade for a guard - one of the two options listed above, draft a guard in one of the first two rounds. If it's within range of value at 18 or 50 - so bet it, if it can happen with a trade back even better. I'd jettison Compton/Jones/Remmers. I'd see what Easton is willing to accept, I wouldn't pay him more than a 2M prove it contract. If a developmental tackle is available in the draft round 3 or so, I might take him. I personally think A Collins, should be groomed as a swing tackle with the goal of him taking over the RT spot. Let OTAs and Training camp decide our interior lineup.

I don't know how feasible any component of this is. If they sign/or let go either of Barr/Richardson and don't think they have the inhouse horses, then that alters plans a lot of this. If players I expect to restructure like Griffen, aren't willing to, it has a huge impact.

But that's the framework I'd be looking at. But leaving no-stone unturned.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 10:44:22 AM

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One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 11:15:05 AM

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One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

It sounds to me like they don't have a plan at all. Why do we struggle so much with the offensive line? Remember when Zimmer famously said they didn't re-hire Davidson 'because he didn't want to'. That was funny and all but I don't think a damn thing has changed or improved since then. Sparano's passing was unfortunate but I fear that it also just gave the team an excuse. Sparano's track record prior to coming on with the Vikings was poor. Starting with his first year as head coach with the Dolphins he won 11 games and won the division but since then he had regressed on a major scale.

Why are we so shitty at all aspects of the offensive line?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 11:49:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 11:50:02 AM

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Could there be a good LT to draft at 18 ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 11:55:43 AM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

I'm a little nervous about that move as well. While he seems to project well as a LT, people that watched him a lot in college generally seem to think he plays much better on the right side.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 11:58:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

O'Neill looks like he has the footwork and the quickness to play LT. I believe he would be better able to deal with the speed rushers that give Reiff fits. With that said, if there is a better LT option to be had, while leaving O'Neill at RT, I am all for it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 12:34:09 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

I'm a little nervous about that move as well. While he seems to project well as a LT, people that watched him a lot in college generally seem to think he plays much better on the right side.

Yes true, although the team may just be discussing future options, i.e., O’Neil’s. the best option as we stand.

I’m not convinced. Reiff is a better player than he showed last season and OTs that can play dont get moved to G unless you have an embarrassment of OL riches.

Most likely, this is Spielman starting his draft shenanigans early, trying to convince 31 GMs that the sun is going to rise on the west this year and we are not looking for a G in round 1.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 12:44:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

O'Neill looks like he has the footwork and the quickness to play LT. I believe he would be better able to deal with the speed rushers that give Reiff fits. With that said, if there is a better LT option to be had, while leaving O'Neill at RT, I am all for it.

I'm not going to keep saying it because it get annoying but kick the tires on Ty Nsekhe. He's older so I wouldn't break the bank on a long deal but he could be a good 3 year stop gap.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 1:05:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

One thing the coaching staff will consider this spring is moving left tackle Riley Reiff to a different spot, possibly to guard, according to a source familiar with the team's thinking.

http://www.startribune.com/source-vikings-pondering-a-change-with-left-tackle-riley-reiff/505355262/

Very interesting if true although I would assume the change would be a switch with O'Neill.

I'm a little nervous about that move as well. While he seems to project well as a LT, people that watched him a lot in college generally seem to think he plays much better on the right side.

Yes true, although the team may just be discussing future options, i.e., O’Neil’s. the best option as we stand.

I’m not convinced. Reiff is a better player than he showed last season and OTs that can play dont get moved to G unless you have an embarrassment of OL riches.

Most likely, this is Spielman starting his draft shenanigans early, trying to convince 31 GMs that the sun is going to rise on the west this year and we are not looking for a G in round 1.

You're probably right. The team doesn't even have an offensive line coach, yet they're discussing shuffling players around? Doesn't really add up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 3:40:49 PM

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Moving Reiff inside might be even stupider than moving Remmers inside.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 3:45:52 PM

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It's all mumbo jumbo.

My only concern with it is that they would be serious about doing this and act like this is a fix instead of pursuing FA, Draft, Trades to fix the Oline.

Catastrophic the result would be.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 5:45:34 PM

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Moving Reiff inside might be even stupider than moving Remmers inside.

I hope they are not seriously thinking about this

Guards all over the league will soon be looking at and reading the tombstones of Remmers and Reiff:

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS:

"Where Tackles Go To Die As Guards"

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 6:23:39 PM

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Could there be a good LT to draft at 18 ?

Little from Ole Miss is a very good lt. He will probably go between 15-25. I watched him several times the last two years and he looks like pro material.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/5/2019 8:01:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

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Moving Reiff inside might be even stupider than moving Remmers inside.

I hope they are not seriously thinking about this

Guards all over the league will soon be looking at and reading the tombstones of Remmers and Reiff:

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS:

"Where Tackles Go To Die As Guards"

Well played.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 7:09:52 AM

Bill Jandro

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Athletic G's that can pull and block in space are vital to a zone blocking scheme.

According to Reiff's bio he is athletic and can get to the second level but has little to no exp playing the G position.

Not saying he couldn't make the switch. But could also well be Round peg meet Square hole.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 8:28:28 AM

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Kind of a good (numbers not commentary) up to date run down of the team's free/exclusive/restricted agent status with adjusted cap numbers, age of player ...

https://vikingsterritory.com/2019/analysis/vikings-offseason-preview-in-house-free-agents-2

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/6/2019 8:31:45 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 10:43:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Moving Reiff inside might be even stupider than moving Remmers inside.

I hope they are not seriously thinking about this

Guards all over the league will soon be looking at and reading the tombstones of Remmers and Reiff:

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS:

"Where Tackles Go To Die As Guards"

Well played.

Kind of a play on the old adage "Where Chicago WRs go to continue to suck, but at higher pay"

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 10:52:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Moving Reiff inside might be even stupider than moving Remmers inside.

I hope they are not seriously thinking about this

Guards all over the league will soon be looking at and reading the tombstones of Remmers and Reiff:

THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS:

"Where Tackles Go To Die As Guards"

Well played.

Kind of a play on the old adage "Where Chicago WRs go to continue to suck, but at higher pay"

At least we stopped picking them up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 11:48:19 AM

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Athletic G's that can pull and block in space are vital to a zone blocking scheme.

According to Reiff's bio he is athletic and can get to the second level but has little to no exp playing the G position.

Not saying he couldn't make the switch. But could also well be Round peg meet Square hole.

There has been nothing in Reiff's play here that indicates that his athleticism is anything special. In fact he regularly gets eaten alive by players who are athletic.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 11:59:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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Athletic G's that can pull and block in space are vital to a zone blocking scheme.

According to Reiff's bio he is athletic and can get to the second level but has little to no exp playing the G position.

Not saying he couldn't make the switch. But could also well be Round peg meet Square hole.

There has been nothing in Reiff's play here that indicates that his athleticism is anything special. In fact he regularly gets eaten alive by players who are athletic.

TCU guy is athletic. I think we had him penciled in as 3rd tackle before injury.

Is he still under contract with us?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/6/2019 12:29:35 PM

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Athletic G's that can pull and block in space are vital to a zone blocking scheme.

According to Reiff's bio he is athletic and can get to the second level but has little to no exp playing the G position.

Not saying he couldn't make the switch. But could also well be Round peg meet Square hole.

There has been nothing in Reiff's play here that indicates that his athleticism is anything special. In fact he regularly gets eaten alive by players who are athletic.

Actually in 2017 he was really good but as injuries pile up he is having trouble staying healthy and 2018 wasn't near as good.

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