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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 4:54:33 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 5:51:41 PM

Bruce Johnson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 6:40:00 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 6:51:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

Daniel Carlson? Mike Hughs? Everson griffin?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 6:59:04 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

Daniel Carlson? Mike Hughs? Everson griffin?

Griffen was a punt return gunner right? He would be a hella TE.

6' 7" Rudolph to DE.

Treadwell to rangy LB to placate Phil!

Since Hughes is out, guess Carlson will be the first two-way, err two-team player.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 4/2/2019 7:01:39 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/2/2019 7:04:34 PM

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Shit, seriously I'll bet Griffen would definitely be better in yac.

Just needs an offseason to work on catching. Route running for Rudy is just kind of fade out there, so Griff can do that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/3/2019 2:40:40 PM

Bruce Johnson

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I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/3/2019 3:25:25 PM

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I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong.

I like Boone a lot.

And RB is the easiest position in the game to find a guy off the street in you need one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/3/2019 3:42:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?....

Beebe
Zylstra
Badet

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/3/2019 3:45:03 PM

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I don't see Abdullah being the backup running back. I could be wrong.

I like Boone a lot.

And RB is the easiest position in the game to find a guy off the street in you need one.

i agree on boone...imo we don't draft a rb until the 6th/7th, and that's only if we really love him....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/3/2019 10:00:18 PM

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It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 9:47:43 AM

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It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

we've got the juice, what we need now is the meat - meat - meat - and more meat....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 9:53:37 AM

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It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

we've got the juice, what we need now is the meat - meat - meat - and more meat....

I agree that we have enough juice and need a lot of meat on our line and tight end.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 10:46:06 AM

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It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 10:54:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?....

Beebe
Zylstra
Badet

Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 11:51:56 AM

Bruce Johnson

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It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body?

I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 12:22:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body?

I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah.

Boone and Abdullah are fine back-ups ... with Boone looking like he maybe has a chance to be decent #2 RB eventually and Abdullah having enough - along with being the KR - to be worth keeping as #3 competition.

But neither are as good as Murray, neither provide much of a contrast to Cook (i.e., big back or pounder etc), and neither can protect well enough to be consistently dependable on passing downs. (not that its easy to find that in the draft)

Given the Kubiak/Zimmer directive and Cook's durability issues (Boone got dinged in limited time last year as well) – the team may address RB earlier than most of us think. It would not surprise me in the 3-4 rd.

There are so many needs on Offense ... I can justify 2 OGs, OT (to shift Reiff or compete with Hill), RB, TE2, WR3, and QB3. The draft is always interesting but this year, I sense a draftroom with some desperation in the air as these guys try and right the ship / keep their jobs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 2:08:01 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?....

Beebe
Zylstra
Badet

Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick.

So Beebe is your guy a WR3 or we use a 5th/6th. Got it.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 4/4/2019 2:26:36 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 2:10:36 PM

Bill Johanesen

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There are needs, and then there are NEEDS.

Interior OL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 2:30:02 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

So if we are looking just at starters (nickel formation), we need:

G
3 WR
DT

Early round preference between closely ranked players
1-OG
2-TE
3-DT

we need to select a tight end within the first two rounds - vastly improves our quality and helps get rudy's salary off the books....

i'd accept rudolph staying with the team at about $3m on a one year deal, but i still think we need a new starter....

rookie/cheap rudy/morgan...conklyn to the practice squad....

I get TE completely, but as of right now who is our 3rd WR?

Who is our backup running back? I hope that most of the draft picks are offensive players. We need a lot of help all over the offense.

Umm, Abdullah probably.

Again, who is our 3rd WR?

is beebe the guy they say that no one can cover in practice?....

Beebe
Zylstra
Badet

Also look at Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, etc. It is almost like RB. No reason to use more than a 5th or 6th round pick on one as there are many out there. Now TE is different. Hard to find a good one w/o spending a top 2nd/3rd round pick.

So Beebe is your guy a WR3. Got it.

If not we can still find one w/o using a high draft pick....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 3:03:07 PM

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https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1

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Clear to take D with our first pick now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 3:10:51 PM

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https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1

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Clear to take D with our first pick now.

Oh goody. Now we won't have to draft O-line until the 4th round and then about 3 more in the 7th round.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 3:17:20 PM

Bill Johanesen

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https://www.vikings.com/news/minnesota-vikings-sign-dakota-dozier?sf210468277=1

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Clear to take D with our first pick now.

Was with the Jets, same team to sign Tom Compton.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 3:23:31 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Isadora-Dozier battle for backup G spot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/4/2019 3:24:16 PM

Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

It's just that it seems that rookie running backs are at their prime and our offense needs some juice.

As opposed to 23 year-old Mike Boone, who is 1 year out of college and has 13 NFL touches breaking down his body?

I see Boone as more likely than Abdullah.

Boone and Abdullah are fine back-ups ... with Boone looking like he maybe has a chance to be decent #2 RB eventually and Abdullah having enough - along with being the KR - to be worth keeping as #3 competition.

But neither are as good as Murray, neither provide much of a contrast to Cook (i.e., big back or pounder etc), and neither can protect well enough to be consistently dependable on passing downs. (not that its easy to find that in the draft)

Given the Kubiak/Zimmer directive and Cook's durability issues (Boone got dinged in limited time last year as well) – the team may address RB earlier than most of us think. It would not surprise me in the 3-4 rd.

There are so many needs on Offense ... I can justify 2 OGs, OT (to shift Reiff or compete with Hill), RB, TE2, WR3, and QB3. The draft is always interesting but this year, I sense a draftroom with some desperation in the air as these guys try and right the ship / keep their jobs.

You said it much better than I did and I agree. If feels like we have more needs than earlier draft picks. I really don't count fifth round and on. They are like priority undrafted free agents. The difference is paper thin.

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