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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

From Football outsiders stats explained ...

Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.

Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Vikings ranked 30th in Power success and 25th in the stuffed category.


A step further

Open Field Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in Open Field Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work. This number is not adjusted in any way.

Second Level Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. So for a five-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 10-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, still only five yards are counted. This number represents the midpoint between the contributions of a team's offensive line and its running back. A low ranking in Open Field Yards coupled with a high ranking in Second Level Yards indicates that the team's offensive line is opening holes, but its backs aren't proficient open-field runners. This number is not adjusted in any way

Vikings ranked 9th Open field and 23rd second level. 23rd adjusted yards. Vikes ranked below average in second level yards but above avg in open field - below avg open field plus above avg second level indicates open holes but backs are missing them, is it safe to assume the opposite given the stuff and power rankings. Vikes were above avg open field and below avg second level. With a below avg adjusted line yards plus above avg open field it indicates a reliance on big plays from the RB.

The stuffed ranking is interesting with NO, Rams, and NE ranked 1-2-4 respectively. Also indicates a lack of quality runs on first and second down leading to longer third down situations. Add to that a poor Power success. Maybe converting third downs is not all on the QB.

Need scapegoats I submit the lack of running game was the biggest factor to the Vikings disappointing season. Complimenting Cousins with an above avg run game with Diggs/AT and who knows Two TEs and third WR ... sounds good to me. Tough to convert on third and 6 and above when the two WRs are doubled leaving Treadwell plus Rudy as the options. Rudy will catch it but not get there while Treadwell will get there but probably not catch it unless it lodges in his facemask. Of course the defenses were not worried about the RB who had to stay in and help block.

Then again Bradbury is a rookie who has yet to prove anything. Kline is a free agent coming off a down year. How good is Elf? Reiff is solid but is he durable? Will Oneill build off of last year. What is the depth like? Many questions but improving the run game is the biggest factor towards improving on last season. The defense for the down year still was top ten scoring defense and fourth overall in yards given up.

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

From Football outsiders stats explained ...

Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.

Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Vikings ranked 30th in Power success and 25th in the stuffed category.


A step further

Open Field Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in Open Field Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work. This number is not adjusted in any way.

Second Level Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. So for a five-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 10-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, still only five yards are counted. This number represents the midpoint between the contributions of a team's offensive line and its running back. A low ranking in Open Field Yards coupled with a high ranking in Second Level Yards indicates that the team's offensive line is opening holes, but its backs aren't proficient open-field runners. This number is not adjusted in any way

Vikings ranked 9th Open field and 23rd second level. 23rd adjusted yards. Vikes ranked below average in second level yards but above avg in open field - below avg open field plus above avg second level indicates open holes but backs are missing them, is it safe to assume the opposite given the stuff and power rankings. Vikes were above avg open field and below avg second level. With a below avg adjusted line yards plus above avg open field it indicates a reliance on big plays from the RB.

The stuffed ranking is interesting with NO, Rams, and NE ranked 1-2-4 respectively. Also indicates a lack of quality runs on first and second down leading to longer third down situations. Add to that a poor Power success. Maybe converting third downs is not all on the QB.

Need scapegoats I submit the lack of running game was the biggest factor to the Vikings disappointing season. Complimenting Cousins with an above avg run game with Diggs/AT and who knows Two TEs and third WR ... sounds good to me. Tough to convert on third and 6 and above when the two WRs are doubled leaving Treadwell plus Rudy as the options. Rudy will catch it but not get there while Treadwell will get there but probably not catch it unless it lodges in his facemask. Of course the defenses were not worried about the RB who had to stay in and help block.

Then again Bradbury is a rookie who has yet to prove anything. Kline is a free agent coming off a down year. How good is Elf? Reiff is solid but is he durable? Will Oneill build off of last year. What is the depth like? Many questions but improving the run game is the biggest factor towards improving on last season. The defense for the down year still was top ten scoring defense and fourth overall in yards given up.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Ok Statman Jason, how did the run game do, and how did it rank if you just look at the 1st half of games ?

How did Kirk do on 3rd downs in the 1st half of games ?

Your post is completely meaniningless if you don't isolate the 1st half.

And then, compare that to 1st down conversions in the 1st half for Bridgewater and Keenum, and also run game rankings for the 1st half with Kirk, and run game rankings for the 1st half with Bridgewater and Keenum.

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

From Football outsiders stats explained ...

Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.

Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Vikings ranked 30th in Power success and 25th in the stuffed category.


A step further

Open Field Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in Open Field Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work. This number is not adjusted in any way.

Second Level Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. So for a five-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 10-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, still only five yards are counted. This number represents the midpoint between the contributions of a team's offensive line and its running back. A low ranking in Open Field Yards coupled with a high ranking in Second Level Yards indicates that the team's offensive line is opening holes, but its backs aren't proficient open-field runners. This number is not adjusted in any way

Vikings ranked 9th Open field and 23rd second level. 23rd adjusted yards. Vikes ranked below average in second level yards but above avg in open field - below avg open field plus above avg second level indicates open holes but backs are missing them, is it safe to assume the opposite given the stuff and power rankings. Vikes were above avg open field and below avg second level. With a below avg adjusted line yards plus above avg open field it indicates a reliance on big plays from the RB.

The stuffed ranking is interesting with NO, Rams, and NE ranked 1-2-4 respectively. Also indicates a lack of quality runs on first and second down leading to longer third down situations. Add to that a poor Power success. Maybe converting third downs is not all on the QB.

Need scapegoats I submit the lack of running game was the biggest factor to the Vikings disappointing season. Complimenting Cousins with an above avg run game with Diggs/AT and who knows Two TEs and third WR ... sounds good to me. Tough to convert on third and 6 and above when the two WRs are doubled leaving Treadwell plus Rudy as the options. Rudy will catch it but not get there while Treadwell will get there but probably not catch it unless it lodges in his facemask. Of course the defenses were not worried about the RB who had to stay in and help block.

Then again Bradbury is a rookie who has yet to prove anything. Kline is a free agent coming off a down year. How good is Elf? Reiff is solid but is he durable? Will Oneill build off of last year. What is the depth like? Many questions but improving the run game is the biggest factor towards improving on last season. The defense for the down year still was top ten scoring defense and fourth overall in yards given up.

Terrific post Jason....

Scheme had quite a bit to do with the previous year where we were actually pretty good at running the ball with a less then stellar

OLine.

All of us should be excited about the Kubiak/ Dennison combo. If this duo can’t springboard our running game/ Dalvin Cook into stardom it may not be in the cards.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Ok Statman Jason, how did the run game do, and how did it rank if you just look at the 1st half of games ?

How did Kirk do on 3rd downs in the 1st half of games ?

Your post is completely meaniningless if you don't isolate the 1st half.

And then, compare that to 1st down conversions in the 1st half for Bridgewater and Keenum, and also run game rankings for the 1st half with Kirk, and run game rankings for the 1st half with Bridgewater and Keenum.

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ORIGINAL: ebergste

This article supports the need for a speed tight end. It also has fairly damning praise for Rudolph.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/29/nfl-all-slow-team-combine-40-times-tom-brady-leveon-bell-deandre-hopkins

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ORIGINAL: marty

The post means diddly squat if it doesn't look at what the offense did with Kirk in the 1st half.

I don't really know how to find stats that isolate the 1st half, not sure if they are even available. It might take a lot of work, and then there are a lot of other factors to consider.

I wonder how Cousins did in 1st halves against quality opposition when he played in Washington ? Was Washington also poor on 3rd and short ?

Is Cousins the common denominator in his teams' defenses playing poorly, offenses not getting early leads, and short yardage not executing ?

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

From Football outsiders stats explained ...

Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.

Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Vikings ranked 30th in Power success and 25th in the stuffed category.


A step further

Open Field Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in Open Field Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work. This number is not adjusted in any way.

Second Level Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. So for a five-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 10-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, still only five yards are counted. This number represents the midpoint between the contributions of a team's offensive line and its running back. A low ranking in Open Field Yards coupled with a high ranking in Second Level Yards indicates that the team's offensive line is opening holes, but its backs aren't proficient open-field runners. This number is not adjusted in any way

Vikings ranked 9th Open field and 23rd second level. 23rd adjusted yards. Vikes ranked below average in second level yards but above avg in open field - below avg open field plus above avg second level indicates open holes but backs are missing them, is it safe to assume the opposite given the stuff and power rankings. Vikes were above avg open field and below avg second level. With a below avg adjusted line yards plus above avg open field it indicates a reliance on big plays from the RB.

The stuffed ranking is interesting with NO, Rams, and NE ranked 1-2-4 respectively. Also indicates a lack of quality runs on first and second down leading to longer third down situations. Add to that a poor Power success. Maybe converting third downs is not all on the QB.

Need scapegoats I submit the lack of running game was the biggest factor to the Vikings disappointing season. Complimenting Cousins with an above avg run game with Diggs/AT and who knows Two TEs and third WR ... sounds good to me. Tough to convert on third and 6 and above when the two WRs are doubled leaving Treadwell plus Rudy as the options. Rudy will catch it but not get there while Treadwell will get there but probably not catch it unless it lodges in his facemask. Of course the defenses were not worried about the RB who had to stay in and help block.

Then again Bradbury is a rookie who has yet to prove anything. Kline is a free agent coming off a down year. How good is Elf? Reiff is solid but is he durable? Will Oneill build off of last year. What is the depth like? Many questions but improving the run game is the biggest factor towards improving on last season. The defense for the down year still was top ten scoring defense and fourth overall in yards given up.

Terrific post Jason....

Scheme had quite a bit to do with the previous year where we were actually pretty good at running the ball with a less then stellar

OLine.

All of us should be excited about the Kubiak/ Dennison combo. If this duo can’t springboard our running game/ Dalvin Cook into stardom it may not be in the cards.

Yes, I echo this sentiment, nice post and excellent facts to back up your point. I am a huge fan of the running game, many discount it, but it's a proven every year that teams that can run the ball are the more successful teams. Sure, it helps to have a great QB like Tome Brady, that's easy, but we've seen mid to top tier QB's be successful in this league with solid running games. Christen Ponder had a successful year with a great running game, it's just the way the game is structured. Sure, there are inventive passing schemes that get the most out of their QB's abilities, but nothing beats pounding on a defense, going forward and leaning on guys play in and play out. I'm hoping this offensive line can play up to the hype that's started, it looks the part and a few things need to come together, but if it does, the Vikings will be well on the way to a much better balanced offense, Cousins should be a better QB with that!

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Jason Dorn

From Football outsiders stats explained ...

Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.

Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Vikings ranked 30th in Power success and 25th in the stuffed category.


A step further

Open Field Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in Open Field Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work. This number is not adjusted in any way.

Second Level Yards gives the portion of the team's rushing average gained 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. So for a five-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 10-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, still only five yards are counted. This number represents the midpoint between the contributions of a team's offensive line and its running back. A low ranking in Open Field Yards coupled with a high ranking in Second Level Yards indicates that the team's offensive line is opening holes, but its backs aren't proficient open-field runners. This number is not adjusted in any way

Vikings ranked 9th Open field and 23rd second level. 23rd adjusted yards. Vikes ranked below average in second level yards but above avg in open field - below avg open field plus above avg second level indicates open holes but backs are missing them, is it safe to assume the opposite given the stuff and power rankings. Vikes were above avg open field and below avg second level. With a below avg adjusted line yards plus above avg open field it indicates a reliance on big plays from the RB.

The stuffed ranking is interesting with NO, Rams, and NE ranked 1-2-4 respectively. Also indicates a lack of quality runs on first and second down leading to longer third down situations. Add to that a poor Power success. Maybe converting third downs is not all on the QB.

Need scapegoats I submit the lack of running game was the biggest factor to the Vikings disappointing season. Complimenting Cousins with an above avg run game with Diggs/AT and who knows Two TEs and third WR ... sounds good to me. Tough to convert on third and 6 and above when the two WRs are doubled leaving Treadwell plus Rudy as the options. Rudy will catch it but not get there while Treadwell will get there but probably not catch it unless it lodges in his facemask. Of course the defenses were not worried about the RB who had to stay in and help block.

Then again Bradbury is a rookie who has yet to prove anything. Kline is a free agent coming off a down year. How good is Elf? Reiff is solid but is he durable? Will Oneill build off of last year. What is the depth like? Many questions but improving the run game is the biggest factor towards improving on last season. The defense for the down year still was top ten scoring defense and fourth overall in yards given up.

Terrific post Jason....

Scheme had quite a bit to do with the previous year where we were actually pretty good at running the ball with a less then stellar

OLine.

All of us should be excited about the Kubiak/ Dennison combo. If this duo can’t springboard our running game/ Dalvin Cook into stardom it may not be in the cards.

Yes, I echo this sentiment, nice post and excellent facts to back up your point. I am a huge fan of the running game, many discount it, but it's a proven every year that teams that can run the ball are the more successful teams. Sure, it helps to have a great QB like Tome Brady, that's easy, but we've seen mid to top tier QB's be successful in this league with solid running games. Christen Ponder had a successful year with a great running game, it's just the way the game is structured. Sure, there are inventive passing schemes that get the most out of their QB's abilities, but nothing beats pounding on a defense, going forward and leaning on guys play in and play out. I'm hoping this offensive line can play up to the hype that's started, it looks the part and a few things need to come together, but if it does, the Vikings will be well on the way to a much better balanced offense, Cousins should be a better QB with that!

That's not true. It's proven every year that the more successful teams are able to run the ball. It seems like the same thing but it's not. Winning teams are able to run the ball. Running teams don't win.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Marty stopped being mildly entertaining and turned into that other idiot.

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Marty stopped being mildly entertaining and turned into that other idiot.

Can one allow themselves to be an idiot?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: marty

The post means diddly squat if it doesn't look at what the offense did with Kirk in the 1st half.

I don't really know how to find stats that isolate the 1st half, not sure if they are even available. It might take a lot of work, and then there are a lot of other factors to consider.

I wonder how Cousins did in 1st halves against quality opposition when he played in Washington ? Was Washington also poor on 3rd and short ?

Is Cousins the common denominator in his teams' defenses playing poorly, offenses not getting early leads, and short yardage not executing ?

Marty your whole first half isolation theory means diddly squat unless YOU can find stats to back it up.