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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 12:43:41 AM   
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Vikings Mt. Rushmore
Randall McDaniel
Alan Page
Randy Moss
Fran Tarkenton

Honorable mention: Joey Browner (career cut short)


I tried really hard to come up with a better one. Couldn't do it.


It feels like to me there can not be a Mt. Rushmore of Viking players if the team has never won a Super Bowl. Every season has concluded with either a loss or a failed bid to make the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 1:20:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mattison is in pretty good shape. Check out his arms.

https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1140775501922893824?s=19

Edit: I had to check out his bench presses at the combine and it was not notable. (22)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 1:26:31 AM   
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The definitive breakdown of the Vikings’ Long Snapper battle https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/6/17/18682779/kevin-mcdermott-austin-cutting-long-snapper-battle-minnesota-vikings

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 1:41:43 AM   
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Mattison is in pretty good shape. Check out his arms.

https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1140775501922893824?s=19

Edit: I had to check out his bench presses at the combine and it was not notable. (22)



Metcalf may be the most physical offensive freak ever. Even David Boston couldn't match his size, strength and speed.... and we all know he had a lot of help.

You do remember what Percy Harvin looked like, right? Hell, his Gator brother, Callaway, is bigger and stronger.

However, upper body strength is highly overrated. I'd much rather have a squat monster or deadlift champion than a bench press, or bicep guy.

Curl and Bench for show. Squat and Deadlift for go.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 5:46:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Vikings Mt. Rushmore
Randall McDaniel
Alan Page
Randy Moss
Fran Tarkenton

Honorable mention: Joey Browner (career cut short)


I tried really hard to come up with a better one. Couldn't do it.


It feels like to me there can not be a Mt. Rushmore of Viking players if the team has never won a Super Bowl. Every season has concluded with either a loss or a failed bid to make the playoffs.

We won the NFL title for the 1969 Season then lost an exhibition game called the Super Bowl.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 5:47:17 AM   
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Mattison is in pretty good shape. Check out his arms.

https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1140775501922893824?s=19

Edit: I had to check out his bench presses at the combine and it was not notable. (22)

I checked the combine #s. 5 were better 3 were the same and 17 were worse. So pretty good. Bradbury at 34 was second out of 45 OL and Samia was tied for 9th.
Smith was 8th out of 17 TEs. Boyd was #1 among CBs with 19 reps out of 29 tested.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 7:21:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 8:26:50 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.

Meaning Griffin is gone. Is that counting Waynes? Is he FA and do they count FA? We let him walk and take the comp pick. We probably have to draft a LT and move on from Reiff. Would those moves would do it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 8:41:12 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 8:58:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Vikings Mt. Rushmore
Randall McDaniel
Alan Page
Randy Moss
Fran Tarkenton

Honorable mention: Joey Browner (career cut short)


I tried really hard to come up with a better one. Couldn't do it.


It feels like to me there can not be a Mt. Rushmore of Viking players if the team has never won a Super Bowl. Every season has concluded with either a loss or a failed bid to make the playoffs.

So can you build a Mt. Rushmore out of the ‘stars’ of OTAs ... but not out of the team in general?

It’s just a comment. Not a fixation.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:12:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Griffen, Joseph, and Reiff add up to over 40 million.....those would be my 3 guesses for cuts

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:16:53 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.

Meaning Griffin is gone. Is that counting Waynes? Is he FA and do they count FA? We let him walk and take the comp pick. We probably have to draft a LT and move on from Reiff. Would those moves would do it.

FA's have no salary figure so no they are not included.

Waynes is not on the books for next season unless they re-sign him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:18:40 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.

Any player not in the top 51 probably doesn't even have a long term deal. if they do, it would more than likely be minimal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:21:20 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.


this is what spotrac has....

total payroll: $218,869
total players under contract: 63
total over/under the cap: <$30,669>

if you back out the salaries of the bottom 12 players you get a little over $7,000,000 and that would just about work with goessling's number....

therefor goessling's number is probably the top 51 salaries....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:26:19 AM   
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Griffen, Joseph, and Reiff add up to over 40 million.....those would be my 3 guesses for cuts



after you back out the dead money on those deals the cap savings is actually $32.4m....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:51:54 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.

Meaning Griffin is gone. Is that counting Waynes? Is he FA and do they count FA? We let him walk and take the comp pick. We probably have to draft a LT and move on from Reiff. Would those moves would do it.

FA's have no salary figure so no they are not included.

Waynes is not on the books for next season unless they re-sign him.



both waynes and alexander are not signed for next season...those are two solid starters that we could very possibly lose in 2020...i think letting them both walk would be a big mistake....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:58:27 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.

Meaning Griffin is gone. Is that counting Waynes? Is he FA and do they count FA? We let him walk and take the comp pick. We probably have to draft a LT and move on from Reiff. Would those moves would do it.

FA's have no salary figure so no they are not included.

Waynes is not on the books for next season unless they re-sign him.



both waynes and alexander are not signed for next season...those are two solid starters that we could very possibly lose in 2020...i think letting them both walk would be a big mistake....

Agreed. I still think the Barr and Kendricks deals may come back to bite us. Both need to play better/consistent for the cabbage they're getting.

Can't really blame them for spending some money on offense. That needed to be done.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 9:59:45 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 10:00:42 AM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.


this is what spotrac has....

total payroll: $218,869
total players under contract: 63
total over/under the cap: <$30,669>

if you back out the salaries of the bottom 12 players you get a little over $7,000,000 and that would just about work with goessling's number....

therefor goessling's number is probably the top 51 salaries....

I'm a little surprised it was that much.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 10:06:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.


this is what spotrac has....

total payroll: $218,869
total players under contract: 63
total over/under the cap: <$30,669>

if you back out the salaries of the bottom 12 players you get a little over $7,000,000 and that would just about work with goessling's number....

therefor goessling's number is probably the top 51 salaries....

I'm a little surprised it was that much.



each contract is about $585k/yr...x12 = $7m....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 10:16:07 AM   
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IMO, we're getting a little too top heavy with the big contracts.



if we extend waynes to a $50m/5yr deal and give him a $20m signing bonus with a $1m salary the first two seasons it will cost us $5m/yr for the first two seasons...we let rhodes go in two years when waynes cap hit increases...rhodes cap hit is $14m in '21 & '22....

waynes has gotten better every year and i think he's a couple of years from his peak...even if we give waynes $60m/5yrs i think it works for us....

one of the problems is that i think spielman has been overcommitting to some of our players...barr, rudolph, diggs....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 11:36:30 AM   
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Good article.

The definitive breakdown of the Vikings’ Long Snapper battle https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/6/17/18682779/kevin-mcdermott-austin-cutting-long-snapper-battle-minnesota-vikings


Having been a long-snapper in my youth a couple of generations ago. I read when Cutting was drafted that he had the thing down to a science such that even the laces are in the right place when the ball reaches the holder's hands. Never heard of such a thing but watching these highlights is really, REALLY impressive on PAT/FG attempts. The holder never takes time to spin the ball so that the laces face the goal posts yet with only one exception that I saw, that's where they always naturally ended up. That and extreme accuracy meant that the kicks occurred lightning quick, almost impossible to block. One time the right defensive player jumped the snap (had to be an off-side penalty) and without being blocked at all still could not get there in time.

I can appreciate the fact that Cutting appears to be unblockable on punts and often seemed to match or even exceed the gunners' speed at getting to the returner. But to me the laces/accuracy on PATs is even more impressive. I hope the AF will let him play for us this year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 11:46:36 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 1:05:28 PM   
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Via Ben Goessling of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Vikings have $211.638 million in cap charges for 2020. Unless the salary cap skyrockets from $188.2 million this year by more than $23 million next year, the Vikings will have to trim layers of fat.


Is he talking total payroll or top 51. The top 51 salaries are the only ones that matter toward the salary cap.

Any player not in the top 51 probably doesn't even have a long term deal. if they do, it would more than likely be minimal.

Not sure if I am reading your post right but the difference between the Top 51 contracts and the Total Contract number is actually pretty substantial. This year its $22.5M and change. So when people throw out a future Total Cap number vs. an estimated salary cap (instead of the Top 51 number), its pretty jarring.

That being said, Over the Cap has our Top 51 in 2020 (its impossible for them to actually know the number) at $212,151,921 ... a huge jump from this year's $184,145,438.

OK. Still jarring.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/18/2019 1:15:36 PM   
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I have no doubt in my mind that Brez has a plan for the 2020 cap in place already. and in Brez I trust.

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