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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Nothing any of us do, say, think, or feel will change our path.

We're up against it and most signs point to this season ending on the outside looking in - so if we do fail some can say 'see, I was right...'

But I don't care about being right or wrong.

I choose to believe until they turn the lights out and tell me to go home.

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I wish I was a better fan where I didn't want to lash out at the team when they disappoint. Anyone can love something when it's smooth sailing. I'm a jerk about getting let down but I'm glad that I can get myself to come back around. Still, I could be a better fan and I admit it.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Odd stat. take the 6 highest paid QBs in the NFL, only Cousins has his team in playoff position.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Nothing any of us do, say, think, or feel will change our path.

We're up against it and most signs point to this season ending on the outside looking in - so if we do fail some can say 'see, I was right...'

But I don't care about being right or wrong.

I choose to believe until they turn the lights out and tell me to go home.

---

I wish I was a better fan where I didn't want to lash out at the team when they disappoint. Anyone can love something when it's smooth sailing. I'm a jerk about getting let down but I'm glad that I can get myself to come back around. Still, I could be a better fan and I admit it.

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Everyone SHOULD know by now that a penalty should've been called.
Most knew it last night.

It would be one thing if they flat out missed the penalty. It would suck, but it happens.

But they threw the damn flag, so they saw it happen.

Picking it up was inexcusable.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Are they forbidding Stefanski from adding any new wrinkles ?

The times they run might change, maybe he will run it more in some games, maybe he rolls Kirk out more, maybe he takes Compton or Remmers out of the lineup????

Maybe there was also something with DeFillipo where he and Cousins clashed, and with that gone, Kirk plays better.

Don't really know, just hoping.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.

Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.

If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.

You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.

THIS!

I second it

Excellent analysis Sweens

I don't think our oline is beyond help. Much of it is what they are good at as a unit vs what we're making them do.

Elf and Easton for example accell pulling and blocking out in space. We now have O'Neal whom is very athletic. Need to use this.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I'm torn on this one. De Felippo didn't seem like the problem to me. They were cruising earlier on offense w/ medium to deep passes regularly. Then it just stopped. I don't understand why Zimmer would insist on a forced ground game w/ unknown results vs. what had been working. IMO, he tied Flip's hands by giving an ultimatum that we need to run the ball or else... then gets mad when it doesn't work. I think he wants it both ways; yet I also don't want to lose this defense if he leaves because then we would have to fix both sides of the ball. Make no mistake, this is the defense that Zim built. So in that way, I guess he is a lot like Buddy Ryan (just not as MUCH of an asshole. We have a great defensive coordinator coaching who would never accept a demotion w/ the team he is with. Much like Wade Phillips. Old school, but a great defensive mind as a single skillset.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Odd stat. take the 6 highest paid QBs in the NFL, only Cousins has his team in playoff position.

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Odd stat. take the 6 highest paid QBs in the NFL, only Cousins has his team in playoff position.

Tom Brady and Drew Brees are both not among the six highest paid QB in the NFL? I suppose they are on the back ends of long-term contracts signed several seasons ago. But that is entirely a surprise and just plain wrong.

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Following up on Bobby Wagner field-goal block flap from Monday: yes, the competition committee says that was leverage and should’ve been a foul. However, no appetite to let New York command center weigh in on flag being picked up. Too many ramifications with changing those calls 


- this could mean the difference between a five or a six seed 
-- this could be the difference between playing in Texas or Chicago for the playoffs 
--- or it could mean Jack schitt

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Following up on Bobby Wagner field-goal block flap from Monday: yes, the competition committee says that was leverage and should’ve been a foul. However, no appetite to let New York command center weigh in on flag being picked up. Too many ramifications with changing those calls 


- this could mean the difference between a five or a six seed 
-- this could be the difference between playing in Texas or Chicago for the playoffs 
--- or it could mean Jack schitt

Well, the Vikings still control their own fate. Win out, and they are in the playoffs as a Wild Card team. Although that would be no charming feat, at least a step in the right direction for a team that has bottomed out offensively. The game vs. Seattle has to be top five all-time horrendous offensive efforts for this franchise.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers....$4.5m
Barr....$0...no '19 contract
Treadwell...$0 - his money is guaranteed
Sendejo....$5.5m
Rudolph....$7.6m

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers
Barr
Treadwell
Sendejo
Rudolph

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

How will the run game be more successful under Stefanski? What will be different?

Simple answer! It won't! I'm sure glad Zimmer will be even more involved now as well!

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers
Barr
Treadwell
Sendejo
Rudolph

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

Double out = Rhodes

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I'm torn on this one. De Felippo didn't seem like the problem to me. They were cruising earlier on offense w/ medium to deep passes regularly. Then it just stopped. I don't understand why Zimmer would insist on a forced ground game w/ unknown results vs. what had been working. IMO, he tied Flip's hands by giving an ultimatum that we need to run the ball or else... then gets mad when it doesn't work. I think he wants it both ways; yet I also don't want to lose this defense if he leaves because then we would have to fix both sides of the ball. Make no mistake, this is the defense that Zim built. So in that way, I guess he is a lot like Buddy Ryan (just not as MUCH of an asshole. We have a great defensive coordinator coaching who would never accept a demotion w/ the team he is with. Much like Wade Phillips. Old school, but a great defensive mind as a single skillset.

Once again, Mike Zimmer is a great asshole!

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers
Barr
Treadwell
Sendejo
Rudolph

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

Double out = Rhodes

Why do you hate top CBs so much?

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.