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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I'm wondering if Zim's primary reason for firing Flip was to give the team (well, the offense) a bump, a morale boost, a shot. That implies Zim was not all that enamored with Flip anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have noticed Ian hasn't been around, hope he is ok.

Board is running very smoothly as far as lack of arguments. Not saying the two observations are connected, but that's what I noticed.

I'm fine. Just hard to be around this place when most everyone is just ultra negative. Honestly, I have enough problems in my life to come here and be under another type of gray cloud. But that's just me.

You guys do you.

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have noticed Ian hasn't been around, hope he is ok.

Board is running very smoothly as far as lack of arguments. Not saying the two observations are connected, but that's what I noticed.

I'm fine. Just hard to be around this place when most everyone is just ultra negative. Honestly, I have enough problems in my life to come here and be under another type of gray cloud. But that's just me.

You guys do you.

And what exactly should the tone of the forum be for a team that haf such a terrible offense that they felt compelled to fire their OC after 13 games into his tenure?

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers....$4.5m
Barr....$0...no '19 contract
Treadwell...$0 - his money is guaranteed
Sendejo....$5.5m
Rudolph....$7.6m

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

your 'out' money....$17.6m

your 'in' money....($25.5m)

'19 draft pool....($5m)

existing '19 cap space....$9.1m

your present balance of '19 cap space....($3.8m)

you need to save more money

what about:
grifffen....$10.7 - or restructure
waynes....$9m - or extend


things to consider:
linebacker - we need a starting linebacker to replace barr - wilson?
what about sheldon richardson?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Pretty interesting pod cast with Andrew Krammer:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1072995585408491520

(did you know Kirk is using play action less than all the other teams in the NFL since week 7)

- at the 28 min. mark you will most likely say we should of kept the #17 we had last year then ...

- David F, you'll love what they have to say at the 43:40 min. mark (hint: special teams)

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ORIGINAL: SteveR

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I'm wondering if Zim's primary reason for firing Flip was to give the team (well, the offense) a bump, a morale boost, a shot. That implies Zim was not all that enamored with Flip anyway.

I'm afraid it is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. On the plus side, it makes next game pretty interesting, and it will shed some light on how much of a problem Zimmer is or is not. The schedule might skew things a bit, though. We get the Dolphins at home, then the Lions and maybe a resting Bears squad at home, so we might get some advantages in that department.

Regardless, I have no idea who to pick for a winner on Sunday. This is about as blank as I've been on any game this season.

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have noticed Ian hasn't been around, hope he is ok.

Board is running very smoothly as far as lack of arguments. Not saying the two observations are connected, but that's what I noticed.

I'm fine. Just hard to be around this place when most everyone is just ultra negative. Honestly, I have enough problems in my life to come here and be under another type of gray cloud. But that's just me.

You guys do you.

And what exactly should the tone of the forum be for a team that haf such a terrible offense that they felt compelled to fire their OC after 13 games into his tenure?

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers....$4.5m
Barr....$0...no '19 contract
Treadwell...$0 - his money is guaranteed
Sendejo....$5.5m
Rudolph....$7.6m

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

your 'out' money....$17.6m

your 'in' money....($25.5m)

'19 draft pool....($5m)

existing '19 cap space....$9.1m

your present balance of '19 cap space....($3.8m)

you need to save more money

what about:
grifffen....$10.7 - or restructure
waynes....$9m - or extend


things to consider:
linebacker - we need a starting linebacker to replace barr - wilson?
what about sheldon richardson?

While Barr may be a FA next year, we still realize a "savings" of $10MM+ by not having to pay him next year. Like I said, there's more dead weight and restructured deals to be done, but my point was that by just dumping a handful of players we can address our offensive line issues once and for all. In a perfect world, we're able to do it while still retaining a guy like Richardson, but if its a choice between putting together a good to great oline, versus signing Richardson or Tom Johnson, I'm taking the oline.

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have noticed Ian hasn't been around, hope he is ok.

Board is running very smoothly as far as lack of arguments. Not saying the two observations are connected, but that's what I noticed.

I'm fine. Just hard to be around this place when most everyone is just ultra negative. Honestly, I have enough problems in my life to come here and be under another type of gray cloud. But that's just me.

You guys do you.

And what exactly should the tone of the forum be for a team that haf such a terrible offense that they felt compelled to fire their OC after 13 games into his tenure?

The tone can be whatever you want it to be. However, the overall tone has been negative since before the season started and has only grown worse.

I get that this fan base is long suffering and wants to win (and deserves to). I also get that most fans have their own ideas on how the team should go about winning and have little patience for extended losing (in this case, any one game losing streak will suffice). But, I also whole heartedly believe that losing breeds a loser's mentality, which is definitely true of this fan base.

At 27 or so, when I first discovered the Strib, it was great, debating and interacting with fiery passion. At 42, married wth two kids (and all the drama that comes with that), hellacious responsibilities at work, etc., etc., etc., I no longer put energy into people and things that dont uplift me. That includes online conversations with people that emphatically think opposite of me.

I love the Vikings and I generally and genuinely love most of the fan base. But, I'm neither going to participate in nor watch a pity party. Not me. Not now. Not happening.

So, again, you guys do you. I'll always check in and see what's happening, but in this very moment, that's all I got.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25507705/2019-nfl-draft-nuggets-all-32-teams-need-know#min

Minnesota Vikings (6-6-1)
Projected pick: No. 22

It goes without saying that the Vikings need to dedicate a heavy dose of draft capital to fixing the offensive line. It was an issue that wasn't addressed until the second round in 2018, and rookie right tackle Brian O'Neill is playing much earlier than anyone expected. Upgrading their interior spots is imperative, given how overmatched Tom Compton has been at left guard, though the Vikings hope they'll get Nick Easton back in 2019 after neck surgery ended his season in training camp. Minnesota could elect to move on from Mike Remmers, who was paid well to be the Vikings' right tackle before moving inside to right guard where he has struggled. With the potential for departures and a need to improve across the board, it's crucial for the Vikings to attempt to do something in free agency -- even though their current cap structure will limit paying big bucks for a marquee offensive lineman -- and most certainly in the draft. -- Courtney Cronin

Not sure what Courtney is talking about. Once we dump Remmers, Barr, Treadwell and Sendejo, and gain the Floyd money we'll have $27 million to play with. Throw in Rudolph and we're close to $35 million and that's without restructures and shedding more dead weight. No reason we can't sign top FA guards. For example:

out:
Remmers....$4.5m
Barr....$0...no '19 contract
Treadwell...$0 - his money is guaranteed
Sendejo....$5.5m
Rudolph....$7.6m

in:
(FA) Rodger Saffold (G) ($12.5 mil)
(FA) Ben Garland (G) ($6 mil)
(FA) Nick Easton (vet minimum deal)

(FA) Jared Cook (TE) ($7 mil)

draft (rounds 1-3):
Dalton Risner (T)
Beau Benzschawel (G)
Caleb Wilson (TE)

Win Superbowl!

your 'out' money....$17.6m

your 'in' money....($25.5m)

'19 draft pool....($5m)

existing '19 cap space....$9.1m

your present balance of '19 cap space....($3.8m)

you need to save more money

what about:
grifffen....$10.7 - or restructure
waynes....$9m - or extend


things to consider:
linebacker - we need a starting linebacker to replace barr - wilson?
what about sheldon richardson?

While Barr may be a FA next year, we still realize a "savings" of $10MM+ by not having to pay him next year. Like I said, there's more dead weight and restructured deals to be done, but my point was that by just dumping a handful of players we can address our offensive line issues once and for all. In a perfect world, we're able to do it while still retaining a guy like Richardson, but if its a choice between putting together a good to great oline, versus signing Richardson or Tom Johnson, I'm taking the oline.

According to Sportrac, we only have about 9 million under the cap next year. That includes the project increase of the cap, and doesn't include our own FA's like Barr, Richardson, Harris, Murray, Johnson, Easton, our P, our K, etc... Not signing Barr doesn't give us an extra $10 mil toward that total of 9 mil that we already have. So everyone who is signed plus dead cap money is already 181 million and the cap is project at 190. We have the 3rd least amount of cap space for next year. Philadelphia and Jacksonville are over the cap by 12 and 13 million respectively.

We do have candidates to free up cap space.
Sendejo is a no-brainer. 5.5 million.
Rudolph a great guy but too expensive for what he does 7.625
Waynes melon issues 9
Griffen should be negotiated down or cut, up to 10.7
Remmers 4.5
Cutting Treadwell doesn't save any money, just opens a roster spot.


If we cut those 5, we save 37.325 million roughly. I'd be OK with keeping Rudolph and Griff and a reduced price tag for 1 more year.

Of our own FA's I'd like to keep Richardson and Harris if possible, Johnson wouldn't be bad either if reasonable. Barr and Murray can walk.

We do have some cap issues to deal with, time for Rob Brzezinski to work some magic.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Pretty interesting pod cast with Andrew Krammer:

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1072995585408491520

(did you know Kirk is using play action less than all the other teams in the NFL since week 7)

- at the 28 min. mark you will most likely say we should of kept the #17 we had last year then ...

- David F, you'll love what they have to say at the 43:40 min. mark (hint: special teams)

That's what is totally bonkers and inexcusable by DeFillipo. Cousins excelled at play action last year, and the Vikings used it to great affect with Keenum. For Flip not to use play action as a core part of his offense made absolutely no sense.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Do you know the story of Damn Yankees where the Washington Senators fan makes a deal with the Devil to get his team to win a championship?

I made a deal with God. If it works and the Vikings win the Super Bowl, just remember this. (and I have to do something that's really hard for me to do) If it doesn't work, forget it. Bottom line: this was supposed to be THE YEAR. It's still not impossible.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

So Blair Walsh screwed himself over by getting in too good a shape?

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Luke Inman

@Luke_Spinman

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2h

Vikes Mike Priefer said Blair Walsh when trying to get “fit” lost too much weight and in turn lost too much strength.. when that happened Walsh was forced to change his approach/technique and struggled from there.. Priefer noted it was something he tried to stop Walsh from doing

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This seems very odd to me ....