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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 4:48:48 PM   
Phil Riewer


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Status: offline 		Like the Doctson signing....6'4" and actually if healthy can be the 3rd WR we need.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 4:51:39 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 4:53:37 PM   
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Idk much about him...but, looks like he catches the ball better than Treadwell


Played on the TCU juggernaut a few years back...unstoppable in college.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 4:59:01 PM   
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Like the Doctson signing....6'4" and actually if healthy can be the 3rd WR we need.

He's 6'2" and that's a big if, but I like it too. Unfortunately, the signing also adds to the impression of a desperate, floundering front office that is swinging wildly at anything.

I'm still excited about the season and optimistic/delusional about the possibilities, but the last month or two has made me increasingly uneasy about the front office and coaching staff. I don't have enough information to draw conclusions so I choose to try to be zen about it, but it's taking more and more work.

A week from now we'll be 24 hours past our first win, a salve to the current irritation.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 5:55:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		My first reaction was that he's a Viking now so I have to root for him and wish him success. Then I watched this highlight video and thought he's not Treadwell. This is just from one season.

https://youtu.be/b37gnT6oLCw

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:18:32 PM   
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My first reaction was that he's a Viking now so I have to root for him and wish him success. Then I watched this highlight video and thought he's not Treadwell. This is just from one season.

https://youtu.be/b37gnT6oLCw

That video is like 2 decades worth of productivity for Treadwell.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:25:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Like the Doctson signing....6'4" and actually if healthy can be the 3rd WR we need.

He's 6'2" and that's a big if, but I like it too. Unfortunately, the signing also adds to the impression of a desperate, floundering front office that is swinging wildly at anything.

I'm still excited about the season and optimistic/delusional about the possibilities, but the last month or two has made me increasingly uneasy about the front office and coaching staff. I don't have enough information to draw conclusions so I choose to try to be zen about it, but it's taking more and more work.

A week from now we'll be 24 hours past our first win, a salve to the current irritation.




We lived in DC during most of Doctson's time. It's pretty funny because their sports people use to say "well, it could be worse, we could have Treadwell". They are forever linked. IF he can stay healthy he could be a good find. As said though, that's a massive 'if'. The Skins fans always expected him to be a downfield threat. Not a dink/dunk guy.

The one thing that is not in question. Our FO is miles better than the Skins. If you asked "Kurt" Cousin and/or Doctson they would pass out for lack of oxygen due to all the laughter. That franchise is a disaster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:31:19 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

My first reaction was that he's a Viking now so I have to root for him and wish him success. Then I watched this highlight video and thought he's not Treadwell. This is just from one season.

https://youtu.be/b37gnT6oLCw

That video is like 2 decades worth of productivity for Treadwell.


Exactly. I think it's also a plus that he has some history with Cousins. He is a different kind of receiver than what we have. He might be good with certain match ups being that he's taller.

I am dreading who gets cut now, though. We have 6 DT's, so that's where I would go for the cut. Either that or a running back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:35:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

My first reaction was that he's a Viking now so I have to root for him and wish him success. Then I watched this highlight video and thought he's not Treadwell. This is just from one season.

https://youtu.be/b37gnT6oLCw


Athletically no comparison.

I’m almost ashamed to say this is the guy I was clamoring for during that draft.l

Actually still think he can be pretty good for us.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:39:39 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1168627078704566274

https://twitter.com/i/status/1168626004040044546

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:41:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

My first reaction was that he's a Viking now so I have to root for him and wish him success. Then I watched this highlight video and thought he's not Treadwell. This is just from one season.

https://youtu.be/b37gnT6oLCw


Catches the ball with his body a lot, but if we are looking to compare him to Treadwell, I'd rather have Doctson. Not sure how much I like him over Zylstra, but there was probably no way we go with just 4 WR's. I'd have preferred D. Thomas, but that's just me. Doctson is fine, hopefully he can flourish here!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 6:46:02 PM   
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‘18: 63.3 grade / 846 snaps
‘17: 62.5 grade / 752 snaps
16: 56.4 grade / 79 snaps

Treadwell

18: 51.3 grade / 543 snaps
17: 53.3 grade / 529 snaps
16: 56.4 grade / 79 snaps

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 7:24:22 PM   
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32 games (26 starts) with 81 catches for 1100 yards, 8 TD's and a long of 57

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31 games (9 starts) with 40 catches for 395 yards, 1 TD and a long of 25


If he's healthy it's a massive upgrade.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 7:24:49 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 7:39:27 PM   
bohumm

 

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And, I'm not even (or haven't been) a fan. Just stating the facts as they lie today.

I'm actually a fan. The big question that I remember when he was drafted was how much of his production in college was the result of the TCU system and how much was him, but he was supposed to have the best hands in that draft (looked a little shaky on that video as Dana pointed out). The criticism was imprecise/rounded route running and his ability to beat press coverage. His foot problem(s?) is concerning as well, but I like the signing and think he can maybe flourish as a WR3. I'm also a lot more confident than him over Beebe and Bisi (at this point) should Diggs or AT go down.

Disclaimer: He was my choice in the draft after something convinced me my first choice (Cody Whitehair plus one of Sterling Shepard, Michael Thomas, or Tyler Boyd) wasn't going to happen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 8:19:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		One concern I might have with Doctson is rate of receptions/targets.

Career stats:
Doctson: 81 receptions on 163 targets = 49.7% reception rate
Thielen: 293 receptions on 420 targets = 69.8% reception rate
Diggs: 302 receptions on 439 targets = 68.8% reception rate

Depth of route plays a role, and Thielen and Diggs are two of the very best. Still, Doctson's number seems low considering how accurate QBs are these days.

Regardless, happy to have him given our lack of WR depth.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 8:41:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meh. He looks almost as bad as Treadwell

And I was hoping for him in that draft.



Aldrich Robinson would be better

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 8:44:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

One concern I might have with Doctson is rate of receptions/targets.

Career stats:
Doctson: 81 receptions on 163 targets = 49.7% reception rate
Thielen: 293 receptions on 420 targets = 69.8% reception rate
Diggs: 302 receptions on 439 targets = 68.8% reception rate

Depth of route plays a role, and Thielen and Diggs are two of the very best. Still, Doctson's number seems low considering how accurate QBs are these days.

Regardless, happy to have him given our lack of WR depth.



Yes, and hopefully Diggs and Thielen have a positive effect on his game and how he practices. These two guys really get in to the details of the craft, I'm not sure Doctson has been around guys so dedicated to their craft.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 8:56:57 PM   
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Despite Washington giving up on him, Doctson still has fans in the locker room.
"He goes after the ball like no other. I'm talking about a jump ball," cornerback Josh Norman said, per John Keim of ESPN. "He has his strengths and abilities to where he can be one of the top guys in this league if he wants it. ... We have had a couple quarterback changes since he's been here. You have to take that into consideration." I

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:04:52 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:14:00 PM   
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From the Bleacher Report:
Despite Washington giving up on him, Doctson still has fans in the locker room.
"He goes after the ball like no other. I'm talking about a jump ball," cornerback Josh Norman said, per John Keim of ESPN. "He has his strengths and abilities to where he can be one of the top guys in this league if he wants it. ... We have had a couple quarterback changes since he's been here. You have to take that into consideration." I



This is the polar opposite of Treadwell. Other then the one handed catch vs the Packers a couple years ago he showed zero of this ability.

I’m fairly optimistic Doctson can come in as Not having to be a #1, or #2, and kick some arse guarded by their 3rd or 4th best cover DB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:33:56 PM   
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Meh. He looks almost as bad as Treadwell

And I was hoping for him in that draft.



Aldrich Robinson would be better

Aldrick was who I was hoping we brought in. Now that it's Doctson I'm going to be all in on him. Go Vikings.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:34:06 PM   
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From the Bleacher Report:
Despite Washington giving up on him, Doctson still has fans in the locker room.
"He goes after the ball like no other. I'm talking about a jump ball," cornerback Josh Norman said, per John Keim of ESPN. "He has his strengths and abilities to where he can be one of the top guys in this league if he wants it. ... We have had a couple quarterback changes since he's been here. You have to take that into consideration." I



This is the polar opposite of Treadwell. Other then the one handed catch vs the Packers a couple years ago he showed zero of this ability.

I’m fairly optimistic Doctson can come in as Not having to be a #1, or #2, and kick some arse guarded by their 3rd or 4th best cover DB.


Good point!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:35:06 PM   
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I didnt see who was cut to make room. Didnt look real hard but I did go to vikings.com

I don't think it's been announced. They are maybe keeping it secret I don't know.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 9:45:42 PM   
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I didnt see who was cut to make room. Didnt look real hard but I did go to vikings.com

I don't think it's been announced. They are maybe keeping it secret I don't know.



Trying to trade someone is my guess.

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