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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:21:08 AM   
Ricky J


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Question now is who's liable to get bumped off the roster first?

Dillon
Abdullah
J Johnson

We're going to need to add a vet wr. If Theilen or Diggs go down spells trouble to an already anemic offense.


Isn't there an advantage of signing a veteran after game one? Maybe something will happen next week.

Right. Like heis contract isnt guarenteed for the year?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:22:29 AM   
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Question now is who's liable to get bumped off the roster first?

Dillon
Abdullah
J Johnson

We're going to need to add a vet wr. If Theilen or Diggs go down spells trouble to an already anemic offense.

I always wonder that, too
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:35:38 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Question now is who's liable to get bumped off the roster first?

Dillon
Abdullah
J Johnson

We're going to need to add a vet wr. If Theilen or Diggs go down spells trouble to an already anemic offense.


Isn't there an advantage of signing a veteran after game one? Maybe something will happen next week.

I think that has something to do with the contract not being guaranteed for the full year if vet player is not on the roster week 1.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:36:19 AM   
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Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:42:08 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.

I think missing out on the Zietler trade was really huge.

We could have replaced the weakest link (bottom of the NFL) with an above average player.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 10:58:18 AM   
Ricky J


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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Question now is who's liable to get bumped off the roster first?

Dillon
Abdullah
J Johnson

We're going to need to add a vet wr. If Theilen or Diggs go down spells trouble to an already anemic offense.


Isn't there an advantage of signing a veteran after game one? Maybe something will happen next week.

I think that has something to do with the contract not being guaranteed for the full year if vet player is not on the roster week 1.


Bill must have me on block

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 9/2/2019 11:04:06 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:13:50 AM   
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Got to be something up with Sloter being we didn't even want him on the PS

Funny how he got bulk of the PS reps yet we kept Browner instead. Perhaps ( as an earlier poster indicated) we were show casing Sloter for a trade while hiding Browner for PS.

What didn't make sense is Zim throwing Sloter under the bus in a presser. If your show casing a guy praise would have been a much better sales pitch.


Maybe they liked Browning more? Sloter Vs. Mannion and the plan was to keep Browning on PS as 3rd? Hard to know. Pretty telling he isn't on another roster right now....(just Cards PS).



I view it 180 degrees the opposite. For all his upside, Sloter has not played a snap in a NFL game. It's 1 week before the start of the season, are you going to bring in a guy that does not know your offense/playbook and give him a spot on your 53? High unlikely.

I thought it was much more telling that he had 6 teams interested.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:33:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:38:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:47:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material. In 2018 that was backup material to some pretty bad starting material. 2019 TBD

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:48:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.

I think missing out on the Zietler trade was really huge.

We could have replaced the weakest link (bottom of the NFL) with an above average player.



if we had acquired zietler we would not have signed kline - we'd have the same situation, but with a better right guard at a higher price...also, we'd be tied to that contract in a way that we're not tied to griffen's deal...then there are other deals that might not have happened....

none of those things bother me, as it could have forced us to keep the checkbook closed on barr and rudolph....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 11:53:04 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.

I think missing out on the Zietler trade was really huge.

We could have replaced the weakest link (bottom of the NFL) with an above average player.



if we had acquired zietler we would not have signed kline - we'd have the same situation, but with a better right guard at a higher price...also, we'd be tied to that contract in a way that we're not tied to griffen's deal...then there are other deals that might not have happened....

none of those things bother me, as it could have forced us to keep the checkbook closed on barr and rudolph....

With Bradbury, Samia and Udoh, we finally have some guys who could be cornerstones and not just stopgaps.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 12:00:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material.

And two OL coaching staffs that consider Elflein starting material, so maybe, as the article suggests, coaches don't always make sensible decisions.

Elflein's PFF rating was 41.9 in 2018 on a large sample of 863 snaps.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 12:25:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material.

And two OL coaching staffs that consider Elflein starting material, so maybe, as the article suggests, coaches don't always make sensible decisions.

Elflein's PFF rating was 41.9 in 2018 on a large sample of 863 snaps.

Jones started in place of Elflein at the beginning of the year and he was horrible.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 12:45:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.

I think missing out on the Zietler trade was really huge.

We could have replaced the weakest link (bottom of the NFL) with an above average player.



if we had acquired zietler we would not have signed kline - we'd have the same situation, but with a better right guard at a higher price...also, we'd be tied to that contract in a way that we're not tied to griffen's deal...then there are other deals that might not have happened....

none of those things bother me, as it could have forced us to keep the checkbook closed on barr and rudolph....

With Bradbury, Samia and Udoh, we finally have some guys who could be cornerstones and not just stopgaps.


Definitely include O'neill in that list.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 1:07:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material.

And two OL coaching staffs that consider Elflein starting material, so maybe, as the article suggests, coaches don't always make sensible decisions.

Elflein's PFF rating was 41.9 in 2018 on a large sample of 863 snaps.

Jones started in place of Elflein at the beginning of the year and he was horrible.

Elflein started for most of the year, and he was worse than Jones.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 1:07:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material.

And two OL coaching staffs that consider Elflein starting material, so maybe, as the article suggests, coaches don't always make sensible decisions.

Elflein's PFF rating was 41.9 in 2018 on a large sample of 863 snaps.

Jones started in place of Elflein at the beginning of the year and he was horrible.


Disagree to an extent... I thought he played more consistent(not great) than Elf did when he got back.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 1:57:47 PM   
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“Well it was basically we felt like Sean Mannion did a nice job in the preseason. Part of its about the quarterback room - about being able to do the things that the backup quarterback needs to do - so that was it.”

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:07:16 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Question now is who's liable to get bumped off the roster first?

Dillon
Abdullah
J Johnson

We're going to need to add a vet wr. If Theilen or Diggs go down spells trouble to an already anemic offense.


Isn't there an advantage of signing a veteran after game one? Maybe something will happen next week.

I think that has something to do with the contract not being guaranteed for the full year if vet player is not on the roster week 1.


Bill must have me on block

No. Didn't see them couple posts. Guess you beat me to answering Bruce's question.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:07:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.


That guys "better performers" were performing better against 2nd and 3rd teamers, which oddly enough PFF does not seem to factor in. How did Brett Jones play when he last went up against first teamers?

Considering Jones was on the bench last year, you'd have to go back to 2017 with the Giants, where he graded very well, particularly as a pass blocker.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Brett-Jones-earned-a-nearly-perfect-pass-blocking-grade-in-2017-119204165/


2018 191 snaps 53.1 PFF rating.

That's 2 consecutive coaching staffs that consider him to be backup material.

And two OL coaching staffs that consider Elflein starting material, so maybe, as the article suggests, coaches don't always make sensible decisions.

Elflein's PFF rating was 41.9 in 2018 on a large sample of 863 snaps.

Jones started in place of Elflein at the beginning of the year and he was horrible.


Disagree to an extent... I thought he played more consistent(not great) than Elf did when he got back.


A healthy 28 year old Jones stunk against 1st teamers in 2018. 24 year old Elflein coming off an injury curtailed off-season forced to get thrown into the fire earlier in 2018 than the Vikings wanted because Jones stunk against 1st teamers, stunk against 1st teamers.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:08:38 PM   
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Mike Zimmer on the #Vikings releasing QB Kyle Sloter:

“Well it was basically we felt like Sean Mannion did a nice job in the preseason. Part of its about the quarterback room - about being able to do the things that the backup quarterback needs to do - so that was it.”

BS

Mannion was better at stroking Kirk Cousins (ego) in the QB room?

It came down to keeping Kirk comfy without a back up QB in background that fans were starting to voice their like for. Zimm hated all the questions and media hype Sloter was generating...

No one wants to see Mannion play, no matter how badly Kirk wilts or flames out in big games... Sloter was becoming an annoyance for Zimm and he stopped it all before it became an issue in season... Problem solved Zimms way... - so that was it...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:13:37 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Something to read.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/9/1/20843004/minnesota-vikings-roster-notes

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/8/31/20842695/breaking-down-the-vikings-roster

The first one, roster notes, is a good read. Rips Elflein (deservedly) and the coaches for seemingly handing Elflein the starting LG position even though Brett Jones has played noticeably better.

I think missing out on the Zietler trade was really huge.

We could have replaced the weakest link (bottom of the NFL) with an above average player.



if we had acquired zietler we would not have signed kline - we'd have the same situation, but with a better right guard at a higher price...also, we'd be tied to that contract in a way that we're not tied to griffen's deal...then there are other deals that might not have happened....

none of those things bother me, as it could have forced us to keep the checkbook closed on barr and rudolph....

I believe Zietler is a LG.

You are correct that their would have been some cap ramifications.

Zietler 10ml and then 12ml

However, he is only 29. Thought he was older than that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:16:45 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Mike Zimmer on the #Vikings releasing QB Kyle Sloter:

“Well it was basically we felt like Sean Mannion did a nice job in the preseason. Part of its about the quarterback room - about being able to do the things that the backup quarterback needs to do - so that was it.”

BS

Mannion was better at stroking Kirk Cousins (ego) in the QB room?

It came down to keeping Kirk comfy without a back up QB in background that fans were starting to voice their like for. Zimm hated all the questions and media hype Sloter was generating...

No one wants to see Mannion play, no matter how badly Kirk wilts or flames out in big games... Sloter was becoming an annoyance for Zimm and he stopped it all before it became an issue in season... Problem solved Zimms way... - so that was it...

I think there is truth in that Sloter might not have been able to do the small nuances that are very important in the grand scheme.

I also think there is some truth to your theory regarding Zim and the media regarding Sloter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:25:22 PM   
Ragnarök


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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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Mike Zimmer on the #Vikings releasing QB Kyle Sloter:

“Well it was basically we felt like Sean Mannion did a nice job in the preseason. Part of its about the quarterback room - about being able to do the things that the backup quarterback needs to do - so that was it.”

BS

Mannion was better at stroking Kirk Cousins (ego) in the QB room?

It came down to keeping Kirk comfy without a back up QB in background that fans were starting to voice their like for. Zimm hated all the questions and media hype Sloter was generating...

No one wants to see Mannion play, no matter how badly Kirk wilts or flames out in big games... Sloter was becoming an annoyance for Zimm and he stopped it all before it became an issue in season... Problem solved Zimms way... - so that was it...

I think there is truth in that Sloter might not have been able to do the small nuances that are very important in the grand scheme.

I also think there is some truth to your theory regarding Zim and the media regarding Sloter.


I will totally buy that Sloter was raw talent and had much to learn and develop as he matured at his position. That is why we invested the money and time we did into him and we all saw in his brief preseason play flashes of what he possessed...

Zimm is a lame duck coach with is entire future tied to where Kirk Cousins can take this team. There was no long term benefits to grooming Sloter for Zimm, only the headache of percieved media and fans clamoring for what a very raw a QB could do in a time where only thing the HC is worried about is getting returns out of Cousins to save his ass...

Sloter was expendable in Zimms system but was that the best move for future of the Vikings as a franchise?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2019 2:29:34 PM   
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Ragnarok 100% agree.
Cousins is fragile...period.
Needs his ego stroked at all times.
It seems to me he is not very comfortable in his own skin.
Zimmer and Slick get this year only...
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