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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't care who wins the Super Bowl as long as it's not the Patriots. So the Patriots will probably win it. Sigh. I take these losses really hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we get the 17 pick in the draft each round.

Or the Bears, or the Eagles, or the Saints.
I could maybe handle the Rams?

I'm going AFC no matter who gets in there. Preferably KC or Houston.

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't care who wins the Super Bowl as long as it's not the Patriots. So the Patriots will probably win it. Sigh. I take these losses really hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we get the 17 pick in the draft each round.

Or the Bears, or the Eagles, or the Saints.
I could maybe handle the Rams?

I'm going AFC no matter who gets in there. Preferably KC or Houston.

Screw the Chiefs. I'm still bitter about 1970.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Offer John Harbaugh GM/Coach with complete control.

If that fails, find a GM who can get Oklahoma coach in here.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Offer John Harbaugh GM/Coach with complete control.

If that fails, find a GM who can get Oklahoma coach in here.

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't care who wins the Super Bowl as long as it's not the Patriots. So the Patriots will probably win it. Sigh. I take these losses really hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we get the 17 pick in the draft each round.

Or the Bears, or the Eagles, or the Saints.
I could maybe handle the Rams?

I'm going AFC no matter who gets in there. Preferably KC or Houston.

Screw the Chiefs. I'm still bitter about 1970.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't care who wins the Super Bowl as long as it's not the Patriots. So the Patriots will probably win it. Sigh. I take these losses really hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we get the 17 pick in the draft each round.

Or the Bears, or the Eagles, or the Saints.
I could maybe handle the Rams?

I'm going AFC no matter who gets in there. Preferably KC or Houston.

Screw the Chiefs. I'm still bitter about 1970.

I was 3.

But the Hank Stram smugness on NFL Films makes me see where you are coming from.

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ORIGINAL: odin

A lot of the players looked like "learned helplessness" has set in. They know they can't overcome Zimmer being so severely outcoached in big games and just went through the motions while they were still technically in the game. I didn't see any"reckless abandon" out there.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: odin

A lot of the players looked like "learned helplessness" has set in. They know they can't overcome Zimmer being so severely outcoached in big games and just went through the motions while they were still technically in the game. I didn't see any"reckless abandon" out there.

I saw learned helplessness. Rieff, Remmers, Compton. Although I would call it being weaker and less athletic than your opponent.

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ORIGINAL: bgdavis

The loss in last year's NFCCG really hurt, and I don't think I ever fully got over it. I was hopeful that they'd finally get to the next level this year, but after the tie to GB and then the debacle against Buffalo, it seemed fairly obvious that this team did have it. As the losses mounted, I reached a point where I stopped watching games, and frankly, I found I was enjoying those days a lot more as a result.

This team is stuck in a rut, and I don't see it moving forward until there are several major changes. Spielman, Zimmer, and most of the other coaches seem likable, but this isn't a popularity contest. We need a group of creative and win-thirsty managers and coaches from the top down who won't put up with losing games like this; ones that are pro-active in devising plays and schemes that can continuously keep opponents off balance, ones who aren't afraid to make aggressive game plans that can utterly demoralize the competition from the first possession on; ones that make opponents absolutely afraid to even face this team. Spielman, Zimmer and the rest have had their chance. It's time to move on. I hope the Wilf's realize this before they waste any more seasons going nowhere.

If not, I might be done watching this team until they finally do.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game

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ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game

They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Zimmer is kinda going the Tice route for me ... really like the dude on a certain level - seemed the antithesis no-nonesense guy compared to the previous HC ... but just doesnt have it as a HC.

We have cut Zimmer a lot of slack because the defense has been real good but even that is frustrating as hell at times, namely big games.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game

They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team.

It's not even worth caring about who this team picks up until we have a staff in place that can get something out of them. Hopefully the Wilfs see it too.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G.

Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer.

I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G.

Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer.

I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway.

That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G.

Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer.

I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway.

That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door.

What does the oline have to do with a defense that continually gave up the score when our offense finally did something? The defense sucked when it mattered all season. Feels to me like players aren't buying in anymore.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G.

Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer.

I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway.

That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door.

What does the oline have to do with a defense that continually gave up the score when our offense finally did something? The defense sucked when it mattered all season. Feels to me like players aren't buying in anymore.

I think the defense had a tough time keeping their intensity up throughout the game as they watched the ineptitude of the offense. Sure, we scored one TD, but it felt like luck that we even got that TD. The loss if Kendricks and Rhodes really showed as well. We've all seen defenses feed off of offenses and vice versa. The same is true when one unit looks completely inept. The D was underwhelming today, but the offense was truly awful. Awffense?