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General Vikes Talk - Archived: 02-17-2020 - 9/3/2019 7:49:01 AM   
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Let the 2019 season begin with a faster General Vikes Talk thread.

BAAAARRROOOOOOOOO!

(carry on)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 8:20:46 AM   
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That time of the year again. I have them penciled in at 9-7.

We still have Zimmer and Spielman and should know what a Zimmer/Spielman team will generally do at this stage.

And we have Cousins, who I was initially fine with, but I've kind of come around and see the detractor's point of view on him now. So if we have a roughly .600 coach and a roughly .600 GM with one fluke playoff win and a QB who can't beat winning teams, it doesn't pay to have too lofty of expectations. They will have their work cut out for them.

Otherwise, division-wise, I am curious to see if the Bears prove themselves or regress and how Rodgers works with a new coach. I still kind of think he is getting old, and a new coach maybe won't move the needle much. We will see...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 8:42:56 AM   
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I have our over/under at 10.5...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 8:57:00 AM   
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So much depends on injuries. If our key guys stay healthy and other teams have key injuries we could be 12-4 or better. If injuries hit us hard we could be 6-10 or worse. Most likely scenario is somewhere between 9 and 11 wins. I'll split the difference and preditct 10-6.

Cousins, Diggs and Thielen need to stay healthy. Really thin there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 9:04:55 AM   
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Still no word on the roster move to bring in Doctson. Got to be in by noon right?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 9:08:34 AM   
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That time of the year again. I have them penciled in at 9-7.

We still have Zimmer and Spielman and should know what a Zimmer/Spielman team will generally do at this stage.

And we have Cousins, who I was initially fine with, but I've kind of come around and see the detractor's point of view on him now. So if we have a roughly .600 coach and a roughly .600 GM with one fluke playoff win and a QB who can't beat winning teams, it doesn't pay to have too lofty of expectations. They will have their work cut out for them.

Otherwise, division-wise, I am curious to see if the Bears prove themselves or regress and how Rodgers works with a new coach. I still kind of think he is getting old, and a new coach maybe won't move the needle much. We will see...

I have us at 12-4 because we still have Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins. Maybe 11-5 because - I expect to come out of the gate a little slow while the new offense coalesces. Once established, I can see the skill players on this team humiliating defenses. The defense will be only average for us (ie, top 5 to 10 instead of top 5) ... just dont see Rhodes burying top WRs any more... but we’ll still be pretty stout.

Special teams and Cook’s health are my initial worries.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 9:47:38 AM   
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Here's what I don't get; you have a good defense. You spent a great deal of resources building that defense. You have a coach that has been really good developing and coaching his defense. Wouldn't that be exactly the right time to let the offense fly? God forbid, maybe take some risks? 

It would be so great to unleash the offense, knowing our defense is good enough to mitigate offensive mistakes. Imagine a high flying offense, with a good defense. 

Maybe it's just me, but having a good defense should allow you to be extra aggressive on O. 

You want to play that conservative game, and keep it close? Almost every team in the NFL can move the ball down the field in the last 3 minutes of a close game. Hell, even some bad offenses can do it. It would be nice to have more than a 3 or 8 point lead. 

Take advantage of your good defense by being aggressive on offense. Put 'em away early. Make it no contest. 

Zimmer thinks losing 0-3 is a tie. I'm guessing he would also not like winning 42-35. It's 2019, sometimes you have to get 42 to win. 

If my defense was great, my offense would be wide open, aggressive, scary.

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Now that they've signed Doctson, I would love if they tried to sign Aldrick Robinson. Jettison Beebe and J.Johnson/Abdullah/Ham.

They would then have a WR lineup of Thielen, Diggs, Doctson, Robinson and Bisi.

I'd be comfortable with that tandem.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:31:14 AM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/03/pfts-2019-season-predictions/

5 out of 6 think we make the playoffs

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:32:26 AM   
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I asked Warren Ludford who is a really good writer what he thought of Doctson and I got this response.

Has talent, but wasn’t a very efficient receiver w Redskins. Only a 61 passer rating when targeted, 58% catch rate when targeted. Maybe he can improve w new scheme, team, role

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:42:33 AM   
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He seemed to have decent chemistry with Cousins.
But we have been down this road so many times.
Chris Carter ruined us.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:44:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Quote:

Original: JT2

Here's what I don't get; you have a good defense. You spent a great deal of resources building that defense. You have a coach that has been really good developing and coaching his defense. Wouldn't that be exactly the right time to let the offense fly? God forbid, maybe take some risks? 

It would be so great to unleash the offense, knowing our defense is good enough to mitigate offensive mistakes. Imagine a high flying offense, with a good defense. 

Maybe it's just me, but having a good defense should allow you to be extra aggressive on O. 

You want to play that conservative game, and keep it close? Almost every team in the NFL can move the ball down the field in the last 3 minutes of a close game. Hell, even some bad offenses can do it. It would be nice to have more than a 3 or 8 point lead. 

Take advantage of your good defense by being aggressive on offense. Put 'em away early. Make it no contest. 

Zimmer thinks losing 0-3 is a tie. I'm guessing he would also not like winning 42-35. It's 2019, sometimes you have to get 42 to win. 

If my defense was great, my offense would be wide open, aggressive, scary.

*************************************

Now that they've signed Doctson, I would love if they tried to sign Aldrick Robinson. Jettison Beebe and J.Johnson/Abdullah/Ham.

They would then have a WR lineup of Thielen, Diggs, Doctson, Robinson and Bisi.

I'd be comfortable with that tandem.


I don't think "tandem" means what you think it means.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:51:19 AM   
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....auto correct#$#!!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 10:53:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Quote:

Original: JT2

Here's what I don't get; you have a good defense. You spent a great deal of resources building that defense. You have a coach that has been really good developing and coaching his defense. Wouldn't that be exactly the right time to let the offense fly? God forbid, maybe take some risks? 

It would be so great to unleash the offense, knowing our defense is good enough to mitigate offensive mistakes. Imagine a high flying offense, with a good defense. 

Maybe it's just me, but having a good defense should allow you to be extra aggressive on O. 

You want to play that conservative game, and keep it close? Almost every team in the NFL can move the ball down the field in the last 3 minutes of a close game. Hell, even some bad offenses can do it. It would be nice to have more than a 3 or 8 point lead. 

Take advantage of your good defense by being aggressive on offense. Put 'em away early. Make it no contest. 

Zimmer thinks losing 0-3 is a tie. I'm guessing he would also not like winning 42-35. It's 2019, sometimes you have to get 42 to win. 

If my defense was great, my offense would be wide open, aggressive, scary.

*************************************

Now that they've signed Doctson, I would love if they tried to sign Aldrick Robinson. Jettison Beebe and J.Johnson/Abdullah/Ham.

They would then have a WR lineup of Thielen, Diggs, Doctson, Robinson and Bisi.

I'd be comfortable with that tandem.


I don't think "tandem" means what you think it means.


It is really weird but I think Beebe is more of the quick, possession guy and Johnson/Doctson are the deep threats (bigger, and pretty fast). We don't need Aldrick....develop the rest.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 12:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Viking Rich

Quote:

Original: JT2

Here's what I don't get; you have a good defense. You spent a great deal of resources building that defense. You have a coach that has been really good developing and coaching his defense. Wouldn't that be exactly the right time to let the offense fly? God forbid, maybe take some risks? 

It would be so great to unleash the offense, knowing our defense is good enough to mitigate offensive mistakes. Imagine a high flying offense, with a good defense. 

Maybe it's just me, but having a good defense should allow you to be extra aggressive on O. 

You want to play that conservative game, and keep it close? Almost every team in the NFL can move the ball down the field in the last 3 minutes of a close game. Hell, even some bad offenses can do it. It would be nice to have more than a 3 or 8 point lead. 

Take advantage of your good defense by being aggressive on offense. Put 'em away early. Make it no contest. 

Zimmer thinks losing 0-3 is a tie. I'm guessing he would also not like winning 42-35. It's 2019, sometimes you have to get 42 to win. 

If my defense was great, my offense would be wide open, aggressive, scary.

*************************************

Now that they've signed Doctson, I would love if they tried to sign Aldrick Robinson. Jettison Beebe and J.Johnson/Abdullah/Ham.

They would then have a WR lineup of Thielen, Diggs, Doctson, Robinson and Bisi.

I'd be comfortable with that tandem.


I don't think "tandem" means what you think it means.


It is really weird but I think Beebe is more of the quick, possession guy and Johnson/Doctson are the deep threats (bigger, and pretty fast). We don't need Aldrick....develop the rest.

Hope to be proven wrong, and in spite of reports that he's "uncoverable" in practice, but I've seen next to nothing from Beebe overall, and absolutely nothing but negatives in preseason. I'd take Aldrick over him for today; the only question is if Beebe can be developed.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 12:27:15 PM   
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/03/pfts-2019-season-predictions/

5 out of 6 think we make the playoffs

ymmv

But none have us advancing past the Wild Card round.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 12:37:31 PM   
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LOVE the swap-out of Treadwell for Doctson. Rookie 7th round pick and Chad Beebe as a WR 3/4 combo is dicey.

Here's a fairly deep dive into it--

https://vikings61.com/redskin-in-the-game-cousins-welcomes-doctson-to-minnesota/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 1:23:02 PM   
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LOVE the swap-out of Treadwell for Doctson. Rookie 7th round pick and Chad Beebe as a WR 3/4 combo is dicey.

Here's a fairly deep dive into it--

https://vikings61.com/redskin-in-the-game-cousins-welcomes-doctson-to-minnesota/


Might be worth the shot, might not. It does kind of depend on who they let go to add Doctson to the roster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 2:11:30 PM   
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The biggest problem we have with Diggs and Thielen is their amount of snaps....each are over 90% and as we know with Diggs---after about 6 games of playing so many snaps he starts having hammy issues.

We know that Kubiak likes 2 TE sets and there may not be a lot of 3 WR sets but it will be nice to swap in these backups to give our 2 stud wr a little more in-game rest.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 2:16:06 PM   
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If reports that Jay Gruden wanted to keep Josh Doctson and cut Adrian Peterson are correct, that is unsettling. He's going into a 'make-or-break' season and he's not getting to form his own roster or call his own shots? #Redskins

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 2:26:00 PM   
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If reports that Jay Gruden wanted to keep Josh Doctson and cut Adrian Peterson are correct, that is unsettling. He's going into a 'make-or-break' season and he's not getting to form his own roster or call his own shots? #Redskins

And that is why no coach will succeed there as long as Daniel Snyder is the owner.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 2:45:03 PM   
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I wonder if Doctson is a good blocker like Treadwell was. It was the one thing he did well.

One issue is that he's not really going to contribute on special teams. Usually the bottom of the roster should help out that way.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 3:22:23 PM   
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If Gruden thing is correct, he's not gonna be there after another 7-9 season this year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 4:26:53 PM   
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The #Vikings have released OL Brett Jones to make room for WR Josh Doctson.

(Purple Post on Twitter)

Shocking to me and I'm not happy.

I reckon that the Vikings are pleased with the progress of Samia and Dozier did play well towards the end of the preseason. He became more valuable because he plays two positions. Jones was one of the backups at center. I really don't like this. We don't have a player on the practice squad who plays the position, but I predict that we will soon from another team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 4:37:20 PM   
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#Vikings release C Brett Jones as the corresponding move to sign WR Josh Doctson. Jones was their highest-graded offensive player, per PFF, this preseason.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/3/2019 4:38:21 PM   
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The #Vikings have released OL Brett Jones to make room for WR Josh Doctson.

(Purple Post on Twitter)

Shocking to me and I'm not happy.

I reckon that the Vikings are pleased with the progress of Samia and Dozier did play well towards the end of the preseason. He became more valuable because he plays two positions. Jones was one of the backups at center. I really don't like this. We don't have a player on the practice squad who plays the position, but I predict that we will soon from another team.

Let me reword that ... the team must be more comfortable with Elf covering Bradbury and Dozier covering LG than Jones backing up Bradbury.

I don’t like it either.

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