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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 7:44:42 PM

Ricky J

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On the challenge of the PI ....

there were 2 penalties (1) hands to the face that was declined (2) the PI

- can one assume once they declined the hands to the face that if Zimmer wins that challenge of PI that's it, incomplete pass? - why challenge it other than the distance they would have the ball would be different?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 8:03:31 PM

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YAY!!! Had to tape the game and watch it after work but super happy I had no spoilers and got to enjoy a win out of the gate. Even though there are things to clean up it is clear this is a 13 win team. Clear/confirmed to me. I can only hope our conservatism to a fault either holds up as it did today or they have a counter to it if things start to go south...which it was never in danger of today...still, hard to like it that much.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 8:22:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

YAY!!! Had to tape the game and watch it after work but super happy I had no spoilers and got to enjoy a win out of the gate. Even though there are things to clean up it is clear this is a 13 win team. Clear/confirmed to me. I can only hope our conservatism to a fault either holds up as it did today or they have a counter to it if things start to go south...which it was never in danger of today...still, hard to like it that much.

This drives me crazy too. Starts turtling with a lead. Reminds me of the Saints playoff game. Zimmer simply has no concept of stepping on an opponents neck. As you said, it's great the defense held up today, but at some point, an opponent will score and get back into a game. This puts a lot of pressure on the defense to continue to keep an opponent at bay, and can lead to injuries.

For once, I'd like to see them destroy a team early and allow some starters to rest up.

But happy with the win!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:05:24 PM

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We won 28-12
I really have a hard time being critical of being conservative with the lead we had throughout - i notice we're not talking about turnovers or losing a big lead

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:29:26 PM

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Man if we were willing to go after it like the Patriots....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:33:31 PM

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Did you see this?

Good Move to give up on Kaare Vedvik - Today? his Jets lost 17-16. He missed his only PAT and only FG try. Head case...

(VikeFans on Twitter)

And we gave up a 5th rounder for that waste of space.

It was worth the fun ...

For whatever reason Bailey became lights out as soon as we got Vedvik. He was even getting his kickoffs deep. If Bailey keeps this up and I have a hunch he will that 5th round pick for Vedvik was well worth it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:35:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

On the challenge of the PI ....

there were 2 penalties (1) hands to the face that was declined (2) the PI

- can one assume once they declined the hands to the face that if Zimmer wins that challenge of PI that's it, incomplete pass? - why challenge it other than the distance they would have the ball would be different?

I'm pretty sure the Falcons would have then been able to revert to the other penalty. That was a long pass I think the yardage difference would have been very large.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:36:29 PM

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YAY!!! Had to tape the game and watch it after work but super happy I had no spoilers and got to enjoy a win out of the gate. Even though there are things to clean up it is clear this is a 13 win or more team. Clear/confirmed to me. I can only hope our conservatism to a fault either holds up as it did today or they have a counter to it if things start to go south...which it was never in danger of today...still, hard to like it that much.

I fixed it for you.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 9:39:33 PM

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Boys, you're just going to have to accept it. It's Zimmer. It's who he is.

Goods:

Running game
Harris overall
Punter (let's face it, he's had a lot of practice coming from Cleveland)
Bailey made his kicks
A blocked punt

LB's were very active
TO's
Griff returning from the grave (it was great to see him 'back')

Bad:

Our pass blocking at times (cough/cough……Elf)
Pass offense as a whole
Questionable calls by Zimm, at times
Pass D was shaky at times. Too many guys "wide open"

All in all a good day. I freaking hate ATL as much as GB so anytime we spank them it's a good day. 98 NFCCG was the toughest moment in sports for me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 11:00:25 PM

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Boys, you're just going to have to accept it. It's Zimmer. It's who he is.

Goods:

Running game
Harris overall
Punter (let's face it, he's had a lot of practice coming from Cleveland)
Bailey made his kicks
A blocked punt
LB's were very active
TO's
Griff returning from the grave (it was great to see him 'back')

Bad:

Our pass blocking at times (cough/cough……Elf)
Pass offense as a whole
Questionable calls by Zimm, at times
Pass D was shaky at times. Too many guys "wide open"

All in all a good day. I freaking hate ATL as much as GB so anytime we spank them it's a good day. 98 NFCCG was the toughest moment in sports for me.

Atlanta threw the ball 46 times and Julio Jones only had 31 yards on receptions. It wasn't all bad. Of course any team is going to play softer with a big lead and we lost one of our corners to an injury.

Some other stats on defense that stood out to me was the quarterback rating of 45 for Matt Ryan and four sacks for 32 yards. Atlanta running backs collectively had only 49 yards.

I did a peek of a Falcon fan chat room and they were really down on their team. None of us want to be them right now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 11:08:36 PM

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Anthony Harris is the next #Vikings player who needs an extension. The elevation of his game over the past two seasons has been impressive. His coverage skills help provide flexibility for the entire scheme. He was fantastic today.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 11:14:26 PM

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Anther player that had a solid game.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1170884633052893184

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 11:15:52 PM

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Anther couple of players that had a solid game.

https://twitter.com/i/status/117088463305289318

https://twitter.com/i/status/1170873118367391747

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/8/2019 11:19:48 PM

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Check out this play. I'm glad he's on our side.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1170896918467112961

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 5:51:24 AM

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we seemed to own them when we ran the ball outside...cook was better, but it didn't seem to matter who was running...that was the one area where our o-line really thrived...when zimmer went into burn-the-clock mode, we got away from that and started to struggle a bit running up the gut...we kept forcing our defense back on the field - and then asked them to play prevent, which is beyond boring....

i wonder if zimmer didn't want to show the nfl how we could dominate running the ball on off-tackle and sweep plays...everyone seemed to look good blocking on the outside and i wondered what would happen if we stayed with that and play-action the entire game....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 6:18:45 AM

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Glad to hear the Vikes' special teams is off to a good start.

Maybe it is NOT Zimmer with kickers; maybe Priefer was the common denominator.

Cleveland drafted a very impressive looking kicker, and he missed one of his extra points. Maybe Priefer will ruin him as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 6:21:02 AM

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we seemed to own them when we ran the ball outside...cook was better, but it didn't seem to matter who was running...that was the one area where our o-line really thrived...when zimmer went into burn-the-clock mode, we got away from that and started to struggle a bit running up the gut...we kept forcing our defense back on the field - and then asked them to play prevent, which is beyond boring....

i wonder if zimmer didn't want to show the nfl how we could dominate running the ball on off-tackle and sweep plays...everyone seemed to look good blocking on the outside and i wondered what would happen if we stayed with that and play-action the entire game....

Nicely stated. I saw it that way as well, but hadn't thought about not wanting to show off the dominant outside runs. Seemed like night and day when they switched to running inside. Maybe that says something about the interior o line as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 6:24:48 AM

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A couple of videos with reactions to yesterday's game.

https://youtu.be/a_XaGYa6hdQ

https://youtu.be/MyqVgCHG81A

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 6:40:36 AM

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Nice laugher of a game. We haven't had one of those in a while. It was so in the bag, I fell asleep, which is good, because today I'm going on about two hour sleep, so the nap helped me bank a bit.

But if there is one thing the Vikings taught me, it is not to let my expectations get too out of hand. We got one in the win column. Now we can see about getting another in the win column. For all we know, Atlanta might well and truly suck. We were also helped big-time by turnovers.

Dalvin Cook looked good, though. Hopefully, that is sustainable, even if turnovers are not.

Now onto the Packers. Nice to get to play in Lambeau right away before the deep freeze sets in. I am leaning toward a win. Hopefully, it comes to fruition.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 7:57:46 AM

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On the challenge of the PI ....

there were 2 penalties (1) hands to the face that was declined (2) the PI

- can one assume once they declined the hands to the face that if Zimmer wins that challenge of PI that's it, incomplete pass? - why challenge it other than the distance they would have the ball would be different?

No, the other penalty would've been applied. Big difference in field position.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 8:03:30 AM

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Hope all on here are well and have had a great summer!

My $0.02 on the game:

Winning in the the NFL is tough. I am always happy with a win. Especially in Week 1 - weird stuff happens.

A win at home and a conference win. Both good things.

The run blocking looked good and Cook was running tough. Oneill stood out to me.

Elf struggled in pass protection at times.

The TD by AT was sweet. Dude is so tough.

Harris was a BALLER!!

Great ST team. Punt coverage could be a bit better, but solid game.

The PI call on Waynes was crap.

Too many penalties. And the offsides drive me crazy. Gave atnaltA (copyright JB Schaefer) 3 first downs on those alone.

I would have preferred we work on our passing game a bit more, and generally don't like when Zimmer goes into prevent-offense mode, but it made sense yesterday.

Cousins does not have great pocket-awareness/sixth-sense like the great ones do. That is a weakness in his game, IMHO.

A win and we looked solid. I'll take it. Keep getting better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 8:11:08 AM

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I feel like we got the Barr we've been wanting to see for a while. Hunter and Griff looked good too. Hard to feel better about anyone than Harris though...that guy is going to get paid soon and you gotta love a guy come up from nothing and earn it. We got a few of those.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 8:14:45 AM

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Glad to hear the Vikes' special teams is off to a good start.

Maybe it is NOT Zimmer with kickers; maybe Priefer was the common denominator.

Cleveland drafted a very impressive looking kicker, and he missed one of his extra points. Maybe Priefer will ruin him as well.

We picked up a better punter who is also a top holder....that is the key.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 8:24:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

YAY!!! Had to tape the game and watch it after work but super happy I had no spoilers and got to enjoy a win out of the gate. Even though there are things to clean up it is clear this is a 13 win team. Clear/confirmed to me. I can only hope our conservatism to a fault either holds up as it did today or they have a counter to it if things start to go south...which it was never in danger of today...still, hard to like it that much.

This drives me crazy too. Starts turtling with a lead. Reminds me of the Saints playoff game. Zimmer simply has no concept of stepping on an opponents neck. As you said, it's great the defense held up today, but at some point, an opponent will score and get back into a game. This puts a lot of pressure on the defense to continue to keep an opponent at bay, and can lead to injuries.

For once, I'd like to see them destroy a team early and allow some starters to rest up.

But happy with the win!

Wasn’t really bothered by the soft defense yesterday ... when you have Boyd and Fields covering Julio Jones or Sanu or Riddley - with some other def. reserves in the game - you are simply going to play the averages. Not about Zimmer’s cajones.

I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

Most importantly, we were physically great on defense early and didn’t get out strategized / adjusted at halftime. And on offense, using a zone scheme instead of a power scheme, we still tore them a new one.

I’m tired of hearing how cerebral Barr is ... its a different defense when he makes plays vs. using his stupid big brain in subtle tactical ways.

ST coverage was iffy but Malouf’s penchant for blocked kicks was great to see here.

Its only game one which is not even a predictor of long term success. But its a fun start.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2019 8:24:44 AM

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For those of you were unhappy with the cut of Jones you have good news.

https://twitter.com/vikingsspin/status/1170935303605030912?s=09

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