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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

I'm curious if those who feel this way will be boycotting the season, assuming it happens? Why support an organization whose actions are expected to endanger the public?

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

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People, people, let's try and get along.

I think we can all agree that you guys are both right and that both Lakers AND Clippers fans suck.

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In a Facebook post, Houston defensive lineman Sedrick Williams said he’s had complications with his heart after testing positive for COVID-19 in early July. “I really don’t know the outcome or what’s in store for me in the future.”

(Joseph Duarte on Twitter)

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

Every NFL season there is some permanent damage to some players. Just stop. Nobody is advocating permanent damage to anybody. Will it happen. Almost for sure, but more likely from football than COVID19. If you are so against us playing football don't watch and don't participate on these message boards waiting for somebody to get sick so you can say I TOLD YOU SO. Wouldn't it be a bummer if none of the players or their family members suffered permanent damage so you couldn't brag about being right.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

It's possible. How likely is it?

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In a Facebook post, Houston defensive lineman Sedrick Williams said he’s had complications with his heart after testing positive for COVID-19 in early July. “I really don’t know the outcome or what’s in store for me in the future.”

(Joseph Duarte on Twitter)

Was he fully symptomatic, mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic?

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

It's possible. How likely is it?

About a third die. From the Mayo Clinic:

Many people who develop ARDS don't survive. The risk of death increases with age and severity of illness. Of the people who do survive ARDS, some recover completely while others experience lasting damage to their lungs.

Thanks to improved treatments, more people are surviving ARDS. However, many survivors end up with potentially serious and sometimes lasting effects:

Breathing problems. Many people with ARDS recover most of their lung function within several months to two years, but others may have breathing problems for the rest of their lives. Even people who do well usually have shortness of breath and fatigue and may need supplemental oxygen at home for a few months.
Depression. Most ARDS survivors also report going through a period of depression, which is treatable.
Problems with memory and thinking clearly. Sedatives and low levels of oxygen in the blood can lead to memory loss and cognitive problems after ARDS. In some cases, the effects may lessen over time, but in others, the damage may be permanent.
Tiredness and muscle weakness. Being in the hospital and on a ventilator can cause your muscles to weaken. You also may feel very tired following treatment.

This is specifically about people with ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome), which is the lungs' version of organ failure. COVID patients who end up on a ventilator almost always have ARDS.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

Every NFL season there is some permanent damage to some players. Just stop. Nobody is advocating permanent damage to anybody. Will it happen. Almost for sure, but more likely from football than COVID19. If you are so against us playing football don't watch and don't participate on these message boards waiting for somebody to get sick so you can say I TOLD YOU SO. Wouldn't it be a bummer if none of the players or their family members suffered permanent damage so you couldn't brag about being right.

What's wrong with you?

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Ron Johnson is saying that Jaleel Johnson is weighing 320 now. He might be the favorite for now to be the guy at nose on first and second downs.

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Apparently NFL players have to wear some sort of tracking device


The notice, a copy of which PFT has obtained, applies to all Tier 1 and Tier 2 personnel.

First, non-players in Tier 1 and Tier 2 can be fined or suspended for committing any of the following violations of the COVID-19 protocols: (1) refusing to submit to COVID-19 testing; (2) refusing to wear a mask or other required personal protection equipment; (3) refusing to wear the tracking device; and (4) refusing to maintain physical distancing in the team facility or while traveling with the team.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/05/prohibited-pandemic-conduct-for-players-applies-to-all-tier-1-and-tier-2-personnel/

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Apparently NFL players have to wear some sort of tracking device


The notice, a copy of which PFT has obtained, applies to all Tier 1 and Tier 2 personnel.

First, non-players in Tier 1 and Tier 2 can be fined or suspended for committing any of the following violations of the COVID-19 protocols: (1) refusing to submit to COVID-19 testing; (2) refusing to wear a mask or other required personal protection equipment; (3) refusing to wear the tracking device; and (4) refusing to maintain physical distancing in the team facility or while traveling with the team.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/05/prohibited-pandemic-conduct-for-players-applies-to-all-tier-1-and-tier-2-personnel/

It says that is for non-players. The article says the non-players have to follow things like the players, but doesn't specifically say players will wear tracking devices although it sounds like it.

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NFL GM tells me he believes it’s a forgone conclusion the NFL will play regularly on Saturdays if no CFB.