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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 12:11:38 PM   
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I think Everson Griffen had a great season, but I've mentioned his dropoff in the back end a few times. One way to look at it

Weeks 1-12: 5th in pressures per game
Weeks 13-17: 60th in pressures per game

(Arif on Twitter)

He didn't play week 17 right?
So 75% of his season he was incredible at getting pressure and 25% he was average. IIRC he was also quite good in the playoff game against the Saints.
My best guess is he is still pretty good and we will miss him.


I'm repeating myself, but I'm inclined to part with aging players sooner than later, especially if they want big bucks. It's a young man's game.

I do believe Griffen would benefit from being a situational player rather than a starter.

You Bruce are an ageist. In sports that's not always a bad thing to be. However, I have made a living in fantasy sports by drafting older players that slide way too far in drafts because people tend to think they are too old at least a year or two before they are too old.


Griffen got a one year contract....nothing close to the multi-year contract he wanted. He isn't a star any more but a complementary player. I would have rather kept Weatherly then Griffen. In addition we have to get younger and Joseph & Griffen were making good money.

Griffen was scheduled to make 13.9 million but it wasn't guaranteed....pretty simple reason why he left---he was a little upset he didn't get that money and he thought he could get it elsewhere. 32 now and turning 33 in December.

Mostly agree with you. Griffen was not worth the 13.9 contract and the Vikings would have cut him. He decided to opt out before that happened. However, I think Griffen is still quite good and easily better than Weatherly. I think he will turn out to be a bargain for the Cowpukes and help them make the playoffs this year.


Did we offer Grif an opportunity to renegotiate before he hit FA?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 12:59:00 PM   
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(Will Ragatz on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 1:03:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dalvin Cook says he never considered not coming to training camp. "The Vikings and my agent are working extremely hard. I'm just continuing to work my tail off and get ready. I love being in Minnesota."

Cook says he'll be fully participating in practice going forward even if he doesn't have a new deal.

Cook says he put on some more muscle this offseason to help him take contact and stay healthy.

(Three tweets from Will Ragatz)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 1:14:40 PM   
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“It’s fun to see his progression... He’s excited to be back and you can just tell that he’s confident. He knows that he’s a good football player. He knows that he can be successful in this league and it shows...

(Sean Borman on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 1:46:01 PM   
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I think Everson Griffen had a great season, but I've mentioned his dropoff in the back end a few times. One way to look at it

Weeks 1-12: 5th in pressures per game
Weeks 13-17: 60th in pressures per game

(Arif on Twitter)

He didn't play week 17 right?
So 75% of his season he was incredible at getting pressure and 25% he was average. IIRC he was also quite good in the playoff game against the Saints.
My best guess is he is still pretty good and we will miss him.


I'm repeating myself, but I'm inclined to part with aging players sooner than later, especially if they want big bucks. It's a young man's game.

I do believe Griffen would benefit from being a situational player rather than a starter.

You Bruce are an ageist. In sports that's not always a bad thing to be. However, I have made a living in fantasy sports by drafting older players that slide way too far in drafts because people tend to think they are too old at least a year or two before they are too old.


Griffen got a one year contract....nothing close to the multi-year contract he wanted. He isn't a star any more but a complementary player. I would have rather kept Weatherly then Griffen. In addition we have to get younger and Joseph & Griffen were making good money.

Griffen was scheduled to make 13.9 million but it wasn't guaranteed....pretty simple reason why he left---he was a little upset he didn't get that money and he thought he could get it elsewhere. 32 now and turning 33 in December.

We still need to find that 2nd consistent pass rusher. Whether it is another DE or DT or LB.

Candidates are Oden, Hercules, Barr, Lynch. Maybe Watts turns into a monster.

I'm interested to see what D.J. Wonnum can do, and maybe even Dye or Wilson, depending on how we use our LBs.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 1:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hunter has played 496 snaps this season, meaning he gets a sack every 58.4 defensive plays. But reserve defensive lineman Ifeadi Odenigbo has three sacks in 138 snaps, meaning he gets one every 46 plays on the field.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/11/06/vikings-loving-ifeadi-odenigbos-sacks-per-play-ratio/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 2:26:23 PM   
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He didn't play week 17 right?
So 75% of his season he was incredible at getting pressure and 25% he was average.


it was taking off week 17 that gave griffen the spark in new orleans...when he and cook are healthy and rested they're as good as anyone...but that aspect prevents them from being full-time, full-season players....

i think that griff was pissed at the vikes, and there was no way he was giving us a hometown discount - even though we've paid him $56m over his career...if his wife and kids are not living in dallas with him he could struggle a bit psychologically....

new deal: $3m roster bonus and $3m salary....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 2:44:52 PM   
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Who do you suspect will be the "Mr. Mankato"? Here are the odds:

https://www.skornorth.com/2020/08/the-official-2020-mr-mankato-odds-are-out-highlighting-under-the-radar-vikings-players/



i'm putting $10k on quartney davis at 8-1....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 2:55:20 PM   
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I think Everson Griffen had a great season, but I've mentioned his dropoff in the back end a few times. One way to look at it

Weeks 1-12: 5th in pressures per game
Weeks 13-17: 60th in pressures per game

(Arif on Twitter)

He didn't play week 17 right?
So 75% of his season he was incredible at getting pressure and 25% he was average. IIRC he was also quite good in the playoff game against the Saints.
My best guess is he is still pretty good and we will miss him.


I'm repeating myself, but I'm inclined to part with aging players sooner than later, especially if they want big bucks. It's a young man's game.

I do believe Griffen would benefit from being a situational player rather than a starter.

You Bruce are an ageist. In sports that's not always a bad thing to be. However, I have made a living in fantasy sports by drafting older players that slide way too far in drafts because people tend to think they are too old at least a year or two before they are too old.


Griffen got a one year contract....nothing close to the multi-year contract he wanted. He isn't a star any more but a complementary player. I would have rather kept Weatherly then Griffen. In addition we have to get younger and Joseph & Griffen were making good money.

Griffen was scheduled to make 13.9 million but it wasn't guaranteed....pretty simple reason why he left---he was a little upset he didn't get that money and he thought he could get it elsewhere. 32 now and turning 33 in December.

We still need to find that 2nd consistent pass rusher. Whether it is another DE or DT or LB.

Candidates are Oden, Hercules, Barr, Lynch. Maybe Watts turns into a monster.

I'm interested to see what D.J. Wonnum can do, and maybe even Dye or Wilson, depending on how we use our LBs.

With Capers on board, maybe Wilson gets more blitz chances.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 3:55:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		#Vikings are bringing in free-agent safety Jahleel Addae for a workout

(Adam Patrick on Twitter)

Addae is a seasoned vet with tons of experience under his belt. He spent his first 6 seasons with the Chargers and last season with the Texans.

(Purple Post on Twitter)

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 8/14/2020 3:59:33 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:00:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cameron Dantzler got a crack with the first-team corners with Mike Hughes kicking inside. Keep in mind, though, Jeff Gladney was inactive.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		First open Vikings practice is in the books. A couple observations:
-Dalvin Cook was here, like he said he would be, and practiced
-Aviante Collins and Dakota Dozier rotated at LG with the 1s; Pat Elflein was at RG the whole practice
-Ezra Cleveland worked w/the 2s at LG

(Courtney Cronin on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:04:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Non practice news: Minnesota has claimed former Dolphins safety Steven Parker, per the waiver wire. Miami waived him yesterday, Vikings address deep safety depth today.

(Courtney Cronin on Twitter)

At Oklahoma, Steven Parker even played a little nickel cornerback. Last year, Parker started four games for Miami and grabbed two interceptions.

(Daniel House on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:05:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		-Cam Dantzler is big. Looks bigger in person. He played outside corner w/Holton Hill on opposite sides with Hughes in the slot in nickel
-Vikings gave Tajae Sharpe Treadwell’s No. 11. That was weird to see

(Courtney Cronin)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:06:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bisi Johnson made a couple nice leaping grabs today. He lined up primarily as the WR2 opposite of Thielen.

Chad Beebe got work as the WR3. Justin Jefferson was primarily with the 2s.

(Sam Ekstrom)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:07:36 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:07:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		-No Shamar Stephen at practice. Armon Watts got work in at nose, Jaleel Johnson at 3T. Saw Hercules Mata’afa mix in at 3T as well.
-Jeff Gladney here but not practicing. Had sleeve on right leg. He had meniscus surgery post combine so it could be related to that.

(Courtney Cronin)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:08:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Vikings’ offensive line today:
1st team: Reiff-Dozier-Bradbury-Elflein-O’Neill
2nd team: Hill-Cleveland-Jones-Samia-Udoh
3rd team: Brandel-Collins-Lacina-Hinton-Aiello

(Chad Graf on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:09:31 PM   
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https://twitter.com/ChadGraff/status/1294375190932094977?s=20

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The #Vikings will need to make a roster move to accommodate safety Steven Parker on the roster after claiming him off waivers from Miami since they are at 80.

(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:12:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jalyn Holmes getting work in as a second team defensive end, instead of DT. Switched numbers from 92 to 91. Played DE at Ohio State.

Alexander Hollins, who seemingly has added a little bit of weight (college weight of 170 pounds), with a few really impressive catches today.

Normal caveats: no pads, first day of media access to camp, not against first team defense, etc.

(Arif)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 4:21:32 PM   
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-Cam Dantzler is big. Looks bigger in person. He played outside corner w/Holton Hill on opposite sides with Hughes in the slot in nickel
-Vikings gave Tajae Sharpe Treadwell’s No. 11. That was weird to see

(Courtney Cronin)

Dantzler is Tall. Last time I checked he was ridiculously skinny. They say trying to bulk up for the combine is what tanked him combine 40.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 5:25:29 PM   
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The Vikings’ offensive line today:
1st team: Reiff-Dozier-Bradbury-Elflein-O’Neill
2nd team: Hill-Cleveland-Jones-Samia-Udoh
3rd team: Brandel-Collins-Lacina-Hinton-Aiello

(Chad Graf on Twitter)

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Steven Parker



elflein on the right side...let's see if samia can push him out....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 5:33:58 PM   
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#Vikings are bringing in free-agent safety Jahleel Addae for a workout

(Adam Patrick on Twitter)

Addae is a seasoned vet with tons of experience under his belt. He spent his first 6 seasons with the Chargers and last season with the Texans.

(Purple Post on Twitter)



wow...addae, parker - zimmer must not be very happy with his slate of rookie safeties....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/14/2020 5:36:04 PM   
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Cameron Dantzler got a crack with the first-team corners with Mike Hughes kicking inside. Keep in mind, though, Jeff Gladney was inactive.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)



we are going to be very deep with solid young cb's over the next couple of seasons....

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