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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:07:07 AM   
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I just heard Nacho Leber say the he thinks the Vikes should go after Leonard Fournette? I think that rb is the least of our worries! We have two very good backs and C.J.

The Jags are flat out bailing on the season to get Trevor Lawrence.


I think you're right. They are scrapping the year for him. That kid will be miserable for a while if he ends up on a team with no good parts.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:07:50 AM  1 votes
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I think I have to agree with Brad on this. I myself am a retired vet. I am not offended by people kneeling in peaceful protest. Not a Kapernick fan but I thought the players did a brilliant thing. I think change is needed and I see it happening. Lots of talk about what it means to be a good citizen. How we are supposed to behave and think in a "correct " way. To protest in a bloodless "correct" way. Find offense in behavior that doesn't jibe with what others think is right. I saw this in a movie and it has stuck with me. Advocate at the top of your voice for the right of someone else to say or do (lawfully) that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of your voice. Teach that! Internalize that! Then come back to me about the home of the brave and the land of the free. Good citizenship has got to be more than just waving a flag and blaming others for what scares you. By the way I really liked the trade today. Nobody got taken to the woodshed. Fair deal all the way around.


Good on ya Steve. I too am a retired vet who has no problem with peaceful protests nor Kapernick kneeling. I certainly don't see kneeling as an affront to military people who have fought and died. It's too bad people stretched that into their opinions. In fact, didn't they fight for the freedom to do so?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:12:35 AM  1 votes
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Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????


And Colin Kaepernick is the new Rosa Parks!

2020: the year many Americans lost their d#%n mind.


True. The right wing always needs minorities to fear and hate.


So now being against kneeling for the Anthem is racist? OK. I guess I should have seen that one coming in the current cancel culture. I like how the left responds to people that disagree with them. We are supposedly like the racists in the segregation picture. We are openly called racists. We get "how dare" you not support the free speech rights that do not even exist in a workplace anyway.

Run out of actual arguments so you insult and dehumanize your opponents. How very illiberal of all of you.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:12:37 AM   
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Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????


And Colin Kaepernick is the new Rosa Parks!

2020: the year many Americans lost their d#%n mind.


True. The right wing always needs minorities to fear and hate.


C'Mon, Bill. I'm "right wing" or conservative and I hate nobody. Even my wife is a minority. Stop the generalizations, please. That's why people don't listen to each other. Respectful dialogue is way more productive than name calling. I respect your opinion, but the grouping everyone into one big net isn't really fair.


That's true. I refer to the right that buy into all the fear mongering especially WRT race.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:16:08 AM   
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Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????


And Colin Kaepernick is the new Rosa Parks!

2020: the year many Americans lost their d#%n mind.


True. The right wing always needs minorities to fear and hate.


So now being against kneeling for the Anthem is racist? OK. I guess I should have seen that one coming in the current cancel culture. I like how the left responds to people that disagree with them. We are supposedly like the racists in the segregation picture. We are openly called racists. We get "how dare" you not support the free speech rights that do not even exist in a workplace anyway.

Run out of actual arguments so you insult and dehumanize your opponents. How very illiberal of all of you.


Hey, you are the one that compared the two minority people.

Speaking of your affectionate term "cancel culture", you want to cancel peaceful protests. Kneeling. Everybody wear t-shirts and sing kumbaya. Yeah, that will do the trick.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:18:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		By the way unome, it's anthem not Anthem. Another subtle form of hiding behind the flag, no surprise.

Oh, and that wasn't Rosa Parks. Not that I expected a degree of accuracy from you on that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:21:59 AM   
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C'Mon, Bill. I'm "right wing" or conservative and I hate nobody. Even my wife is a minority. Stop the generalizations, please. That's why people don't listen to each other. Respectful dialogue is way more productive than name calling. I respect your opinion, but the grouping everyone into one big net isn't really fair.


I have an adopted daughter with skin darker than Kaepernick's. But I am glad Bill went there because it shows his true colors.

And I am sorry this is a Vikings thread and I have been one of many posters that have veered it off the true path when we have plenty of Vikings news to talk about.

I am done with the Anthem talk. People can PM if they want to discuss anything.

Colors does matter! But those colors are purple and gold!!!


Oh, and I would still be a Vikings fan if Kaepernick was on the team.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:23:06 AM   
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Hey, you are the one that compared the two minority people.


That was Brad.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:25:03 AM   
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This was WITH troops around the area mind you. I've wondered does that screaming woman still feel that she was on the right side of history?



Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????



Then we have the designated lightweight who also fails WRT capitalization at the expense of appearing all rah-rah MAGA and "patriotic".
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:25:51 AM   
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Hey, you are the one that compared the two minority people.


That was Brad.


Except in the sentence you posted and cut out of the response.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:28:49 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:29:04 AM   
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C'Mon, Bill. I'm "right wing" or conservative and I hate nobody. Even my wife is a minority. Stop the generalizations, please. That's why people don't listen to each other. Respectful dialogue is way more productive than name calling. I respect your opinion, but the grouping everyone into one big net isn't really fair.


I have an adopted daughter with skin darker than Kaepernick's. But I am glad Bill went there because it shows his true colors.

And I am sorry this is a Vikings thread and I have been one of many posters that have veered it off the true path when we have plenty of Vikings news to talk about.

I am done with the Anthem talk. People can PM if they want to discuss anything.

Colors does matter! But those colors are purple and gold!!!


Oh, and I would still be a Vikings fan if Kaepernick was on the team.



I have an adopted son who is brown skinned. What's your point besides stoking racial flames?

And as far as "veering off", you have more non-Vikings posts in the past 24 hours that anyone here.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:31:35 AM   
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C'Mon, Bill. I'm "right wing" or conservative and I hate nobody. Even my wife is a minority. Stop the generalizations, please. That's why people don't listen to each other. Respectful dialogue is way more productive than name calling. I respect your opinion, but the grouping everyone into one big net isn't really fair.




I am done with the Anthem talk. People can PM if they want to discuss anything.


I'll pass on that tremendous opportunity. I'd rather have your comments for all to see.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:32:08 AM   
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Capitalization offended you? So fragile.



This comes from someone who is offended by just about anything said, peaceful protests, silent kneeling, you name it. Typical.

Well, wrap yourself in the "Anthem" and enjoy.

And order everyone their t-shirts!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:32:11 AM   
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https://vikingsterritory.com/2020/analysis/winners-and-losers-of-the-yannick-ngakoue-trade

Has Odenigbo as a "winner' of the Yannick trade?

And Stephen as a "loser".

He may have that all wrong.

The Vikings must not have thought Odinbigo was true starter material to do the trade.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:32:36 AM   
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Kneeling during the anthem is not disrespecting flag or nation. It is the exorcise of peaceful free speech, which is the epitome of American rights. People fought and died to guarantee that right. How dare you condemn people for exorcising it.

Didn't condemn anybody for it. Not standing respectfully for the anthem is a statement that you don't believe it is worthy of respect. That is anybody's right to do. No condemnation whatsoever. I just want people to own up to what they're doing. Kaepernik himself said it wasn't worthy of his respect.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:36:19 AM   
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Kneeling during the anthem is not disrespecting flag or nation. It is the exorcise of peaceful free speech, which is the epitome of American rights. People fought and died to guarantee that right. How dare you condemn people for exorcising it.

Didn't condemn anybody for it. Not standing respectfully for the anthem is a statement that you don't believe it is worthy of respect. That is anybody's right to do. No condemnation whatsoever. I just want people to own up to what they're doing. Kaepernik himself said it wasn't worthy of his respect.

And who are you to say it was?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:37:07 AM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		Seems the RUBY BRIDGES pic stirred some emotions.

Guess I shouldn't have expected those same people to address how bad people behaved then, and how the same animosity carries forward to now.

Instead we get a steady diet of how dare that be brought up and Kap is a meanie.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:37:49 AM   
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After reading a few pages, apparently THE best and most non-offensive form of protest the nation can undertake is we all wear t-shirts that say equality for everybody.

Kneeling in silence is too offensive.

And I guess if you can't afford the t-shirt, you're not a patriot.....
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:43:49 AM   
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Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????


And Colin Kaepernick is the new Rosa Parks!

2020: the year many Americans lost their d#%n mind.


Only the people that feel a flag is more important than actual people have lost their d#%n minds.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:44:47 AM   
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Plus, these people are employees.

And their employer said that they agree with them. In fact, they apologized for not coming to that position sooner.



Such a tired argument against kneeling. The employers allowed it.

Employers often allow political/cause free speech displays. But because some don't allow agree with this, it becomes an issue.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:45:11 AM   
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Comparing that to disrespecting our Nation, Flag and Anthem. Really??????????


And Colin Kaepernick is the new Rosa Parks!

2020: the year many Americans lost their d#%n mind.


Only the people that feel a flag is more important than actual people have lost their d#%n minds.



Exactly.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:45:41 AM   
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Kneeling during the anthem is not disrespecting flag or nation. It is the exorcise of peaceful free speech, which is the epitome of American rights. People fought and died to guarantee that right. How dare you condemn people for exorcising it.


So "HOW DARE" people here use our peaceful free speech to share our opinions?

Hypocrisy much?

Plus, these people are employees. Most people cannot go into your work and wear a highly political shirt or pin or whatever. They are employees, not protesters. They can protest or wear political shirts literally every day of the year, but they have to wear their uniforms and play football on Sunday at Noon. And if the NFL wanted to, they could require they stand for the Anthem or not choose to be present.

There is no First Amendment right to protest at your workplace. You can strike and protest outside if you would like but you will not get paid.


Protest where no one can see you?

We get it. You only want change if its easy and doesn't get in your way.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:47:01 AM   
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Only the people that feel a flag is more important than actual people have lost their d#%n minds.


If anyone actually thought or wrote that I would 100% agree with you.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2020 10:49:22 AM   
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Protest where no one can see you?

We get it. You only want change if its easy and doesn't get in your way.


Colin Kaepernick has 2.4 million Twitter followers. I am sure he can find a way to be seen without protesting at his workplace.
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