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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday season especially in this difficult time. Special thanks to the folks that have worked so hard to maintain and operate this site. Also, to all the wonderful contributors. I have been on since the Tribune days. Wow that was a long time ago! I have gone from being a college kid to a grandfather as a member of this site! I hope that at least my grandson might see the Vikings win a Super Bowl

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

I think he had about 2-3 Rhodes Closed years here that were pretty good. He looks to me like he re-dedicated himself and lost weight. He got abused last year every time he had a one on one. Coaching didn't make him become a liability here.

Gladney and Dantzler seem to be improving every week. Maybe you don't think so.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

I think he had about 2-3 Rhodes Closed years here that were pretty good. He looks to me like he re-dedicated himself and lost weight. He got abused last year every time he had a one on one. Coaching didn't make him become a liability here.

Gladney and Dantzler seem to be improving every week. Maybe you don't think so.

Trying to change the subject? That’s fine. Dantzler looks like a stud and gladney looks to be somewhere between a bust and a mild disappointment depending on how he develops. Dantzler had looked like a stud from day 1. Mike hughes’ injury allowed us to see him on the field. Hopefully they promote him to CB1 but I won’t hold my breath. At least he’s on the field.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

I think he had about 2-3 Rhodes Closed years here that were pretty good. He looks to me like he re-dedicated himself and lost weight. He got abused last year every time he had a one on one. Coaching didn't make him become a liability here.

Gladney and Dantzler seem to be improving every week. Maybe you don't think so.

Trying to change the subject? That’s fine. Dantzler looks like a stud and gladney looks to be somewhere between a bust and a mild disappointment depending on how he develops. Dantzler had looked like a stud from day 1. Mike hughes’ injury allowed us to see him on the field. Hopefully they promote him to CB1 but I won’t hold my breath. At least he’s on the field.

Didn't change any subject. Maybe you didn't read 1st four sentences.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I don't think its a fluke (or a lack of talent) that we've only had one season under Zimmer where we haven't been bottom 3rd (or much worse) at forcing fumbles. It appears to be a philosophy at every level of the defense. How often do you see our players go after the ball instead of the tackle on a ball carrier? Definitely not as much as other teams seem to.

2014: 28th
2015: 24th
2016: 21st
2017: 30st
2018: 28th
2019: 6th
2020: 23rd

Last year stands out as a clear outlier.

It is frustrating to be sure.

But I think Zimmer puts a HUGE emphasis on wrapping up the runner and making the tackle.
The second guy should be going after the ball.

Turnovers are huge.

And Zimmer doesn't seem to push much for them.

Even our DBs aren't encouraged to go after the ball much. Priority is making sure the guy doesn't get much after the catch. It doesn't seem like many passes are all that contested imho

I think that will change with Dantzler and Gladney.

Until Zim coaches INT's out of them. Not 100% sure his philosophy is 21st century

Zimmer doesn't believe in those fancy interceptions and cheap forced fumbles. He'd rather see his middle linebacker make a perfect textbook form tackle after an eight yard gain. Let them drive down the field to about our forty-yard line, then actually blitz and get the sack - a standard sack mind you, and then give up a fourth-and-17 to their best WR who beats our prevent-style zone.

Chris Jones loves this philosophy.

So do the myriad of first-round corners that have come and gone.

Rhodes and Alexander have 3 INTs between them this year. Rhodes had 5 for Zimmer one year.

We suck because our DLine sucks, LBs are injured and we have a terrible NB.

Haha Rhodes INTs by season: 0, 1, 1, 2, 5, 2, 1, 0. So far this year he has two and is playing the best football of his life even though he's past his prime. Remember when the DBs went rouge?

I think he had about 2-3 Rhodes Closed years here that were pretty good. He looks to me like he re-dedicated himself and lost weight. He got abused last year every time he had a one on one. Coaching didn't make him become a liability here.

Gladney and Dantzler seem to be improving every week. Maybe you don't think so.

Trying to change the subject? That’s fine. Dantzler looks like a stud and gladney looks to be somewhere between a bust and a mild disappointment depending on how he develops. Dantzler had looked like a stud from day 1. Mike hughes’ injury allowed us to see him on the field. Hopefully they promote him to CB1 but I won’t hold my breath. At least he’s on the field.

Didn't change any subject. Maybe you didn't read 1st four sentences.

The subject was turnovers. Merry Christmas my man.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

I hope all my TalkVikes buddies have a great Christmas and an even better New Year (it cannot be any worse than 2020, right?)

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

I hope all my TalkVikes buddies have a great Christmas and an even better New Year (it cannot be any worse than 2020, right?)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Tiki Barber on CBS just said that NFL Network reporter (forget who) is reporting that Cousins is on the move in the offseason.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Tiki Barber on CBS just said that NFL Network reporter (forget who) is reporting that Cousins is on the move in the offseason.

like he knows.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Tiki Barber on CBS just said that NFL Network reporter (forget who) is reporting that Cousins is on the move in the offseason.

like he knows.

Kiinda what my thoughts are ....

Jeff, what's he mean, "... on the move ...?" We're planning on trading him?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Tiki Barber on CBS just said that NFL Network reporter (forget who) is reporting that Cousins is on the move in the offseason.

like he knows.

Kiinda what my thoughts are ....

Jeff, what's he mean, "... on the move ...?" We're planning on trading him?

Tiki has been known to be a loose cannon