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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/24/2020 11:00:08 PM   
bohumm

 

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Have any of our franchises ever had a balls to the wall type coach? I can't think of any.

Bill Musselman was balls past the wall----way past.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/24/2020 11:08:10 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 5:09:25 AM   
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https://zonecoverage.com/2020/minnesota-vikings-news/no-anthony-harris-isnt-having-a-down-year/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 9:07:05 AM   
Brad H


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Gods of Odds split on the Vikings game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 11:42:45 AM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		A Vikings upset sounds much better than getting upset with the Vikings. I will root for the win, as if it will make any difference to the outcome of the game. There's part of me that wants better draft picks, but I don't like rooting for the Vikings to lose. If I was betting, I would totally put money on the Saints. They should have the good vibes of preparing for the post-season. The Vikings players must be wanting to put on good tape of their play, but also trying to avoid injury. As a player, it would be the worst thing to mess up your knee in a meaningless game with the season all but over.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 12:17:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Lets say Cousins is magically traded this off-season.

Who is the starter in 2021? Trade for Wentz? Trade for Darnold? Trade for Mariotta? A rookie?

IMO Cousins is overpaid and never should have been extended but an alternative isn't obvious to me.



That’s the key!

Fine and dandy to say you’re just gonna trade Cousins and his bloated contract, but who do you bring in?

Just like when we got him initially it was keep Case Keenum, take a chance that Teddy would be healthy, simply crap shoot it in the draft for a QB instead of shelling it out for Cousins?

In retrospect I would’ve stayed with Teddy (Although Teddy probably doesn’t fill the stats sheet like Cousins) I believe we would have won more simply through the vast difference in intangibles between the Teddy and Kirk.

Take your pick as I like your scenarios you mention Ron. This time around assuming you can find a willing partner to take on Cousins, I’d bring in Darnold, and perhaps still draft a QB.

We are in a rebuild regardless if anyone wants admit it.

The defense we once knew is gone. Gotta spend heavy draft capital on that not to mention OLine.

We need to build fast enough to utilize the primes of Dalvin, Hunter, Kendricks, and to a lesser extent because he’s so young JJ..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 2:01:03 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 2:13:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was never a big Teddy guy. He didn't have "It". Just a game manager, dime a dozen and only gets you a super bowl if paired with a once in a generation dominated defense. 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 10:01:12 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		There is still one more game, but the off-season has begun. The defense certainly played like the off-season has begun.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 10:48:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't let Kamara's obvious talent fool you. He never runs like this. He hadn't rushed for more than 88 yards in a game this season before Friday, when he rushed for a career-high 155.

The defensive performance was aberrant. A December Vikings collapse is not. They are 5-9 over the last three Decembers, twice missing the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/25/2020 10:58:25 PM   
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Once again I urge you to count off in your head for both QBs on pass plays. Cousins has time. Side note: The dirty Saints never punted once today. I understand we're under-manned on defense but can't a defensive genius take that squad and only give up forty-some points and maybe just four rushing TDs to Kamara? Am I to believe that a non-defensive-genius would have given up 70+ points and 8 rushing TDs to Kamara?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 5:46:57 AM   
Todd M

 

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Status: offline 		If they're the worst D Zimmer's ever had...does he realize it's still his D. Of course it would be better if all we lost weren't lost but he still had a hand in picking them. Kind of his job to coach em up. I would never respect a leader that didn't feel the buck stopped with them...always. Any of the young guys that are back are going to have to clean the tire tracks off after Zim has tossed em under the bus

It'd be time to blow it up if they didnt get stupid with the extensions. I mean, it's still time...they just won't.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 7:46:29 AM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		Anybody out there still think Cook is more valuable than Kamara?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 7:47:53 AM   
Brad H


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 7:50:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWB6d0nRp-E

Gods of Odds split on the Vikings game.

One guy absolutely nailed the Vikes game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 7:51:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody out there still think Cook is more valuable than Kamara?


Because of Kamara’s first game all season above 100 yards despite an elite oline?
So yeah Kamala outplayed Cook. He was also going against one of the worst fielded defense maybe ever put on a field
They are both very good. Cook is pretty much the second best back behind Henry
Now whether he’s worth the money vs building your team up front is another story

< Message edited by Arlowe84 -- 12/26/2020 8:00:37 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 7:58:25 AM   
Arlowe84

 

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Status: offline 		Not so sure we should just assume this team will compete next year
We have no idea how Hunter will play. How serious is his neck problem?
Lots of questions on whether Barr is worth the money to bring back
Harrison Smith may be washed. In addition to every thing else, we may need a couple of safeties. Harris was a terrible signing. Should have used that money on the dline.
Pearce and Hunter alone do not solve our defense. We still are very thin on the dline. I’m not sold on Gladney. Dantzler looks like a keeper
Cap will be tight, assuming, FA will be pretty light for this team.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:04:22 AM  1 votes
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody out there still think Cook is more valuable than Kamara?


Because of Kamara’s first game all season above 100 yards despite an elite oline?
So yeah Kamala outplayed Cook. He was also going against one of the worst fielded defense maybe ever put on a field
They are both very good. Cook is pretty much the second best back behind Henry
Now whether he’s worth the money vs building your team up front is another story

Simply pointing out that Vikings fans tend to overvalue their guys. Last week people were calling Cook the best back in the league. He's a good player. Lets leave it at that.

He's not better than Alvin Kamara. He's not better than Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey or Saquan Barkley. It's debatable whether he's better than Aaron Jones (I say they are very similar).

< Message edited by Brad H -- 12/26/2020 8:10:35 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:07:14 AM   
Brad H


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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Not so sure we should just assume this team will compete next year
We have no idea how Hunter will play. How serious is his neck problem?
Lots of questions on whether Barr is worth the money to bring back
Harrison Smith may be washed. In addition to every thing else, we may need a couple of safeties. Harris was a terrible signing. Should have used that money on the dline.
Pearce and Hunter alone do not solve our defense. We still are very thin on the dline. I’m not sold on Gladney. Dantzler looks like a keeper
Cap will be tight, assuming, FA will be pretty light for this team.

The $33-million quarterback is going to haunt this team for a couple more seasons.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:09:56 AM   
Arlowe84

 

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Status: offline 		I’m still amazed the pass people give Spielman

He went out and signed Kirk Cousins to big money on the premise that he was the missing piece
Yeah, he hit on Jefferson and has found a couple diamonds in the rough like Hunter and Dantzler
But his overall body of work has been mediocre, including many questionable extensions/contracts
Bad contracts will eat a team alive in the day and age of strict salary cap
How is not trading a second rounder for Ngouke a complete disaster
Spending a 3rd round pick on Mattison when he should have been fortifying our defense
Money for Rudy and Harris. Just terrible decisions
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:11:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Not so sure we should just assume this team will compete next year
We have no idea how Hunter will play. How serious is his neck problem?
Lots of questions on whether Barr is worth the money to bring back
Harrison Smith may be washed. In addition to every thing else, we may need a couple of safeties. Harris was a terrible signing. Should have used that money on the dline.
Pearce and Hunter alone do not solve our defense. We still are very thin on the dline. I’m not sold on Gladney. Dantzler looks like a keeper
Cap will be tight, assuming, FA will be pretty light for this team.

The $33-million quarterback is going to haunt this team for a couple more seasons.

This I agree with
Everyone like to say “Cousins isn’t the problem”. In a silo they are correct, but the issue is the return for the value
Cousins is bad ROI
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:15:55 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Status: offline 		Short answer is no we won't be competitive next season either.

Currently we are 8ml over next years cap. We will probably have to cut Reiff arguably our best olineman to just get under it. As you point out we have too many holes and will be forced to fill them all with the draft. Couple that with Pierce and his constant weight problems with a year off the only job he may be suited for is a mall Santa. Hunter coming back might be 50/50 so our whole dline could be filled with rookies and has beens. If Rieff is cut we'll need two G's and knowing Spielman he won't use any upper draft stock coupled with the scouting depts lack of good G judgement the oline could be worse.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:18:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Not so sure we should just assume this team will compete next year
We have no idea how Hunter will play. How serious is his neck problem?
Lots of questions on whether Barr is worth the money to bring back
Harrison Smith may be washed. In addition to every thing else, we may need a couple of safeties. Harris was a terrible signing. Should have used that money on the dline.
Pearce and Hunter alone do not solve our defense. We still are very thin on the dline. I’m not sold on Gladney. Dantzler looks like a keeper
Cap will be tight, assuming, FA will be pretty light for this team.

The $33-million quarterback is going to haunt this team for a couple more seasons.

This I agree with
Everyone like to say “Cousins isn’t the problem”. In a silo they are correct, but the issue is the return for the value
Cousins is bad ROI

He's a marginal quarterback making difference-maker money. He turns the ball over way too much, has ZERO pocket presence and doesn't see the field well. His decision making yesterday was awful and he was off on a lot of throws.

Prime example was on the final two drives of the first half. On one they had a third and 4-5 yards and all he had to do was hit Smith in the flat for an easy first down. Instead, he gets caught trying to look downfield and gets sacked. The final possession of the half he underthrows Smith, forcing him to go to the ground to catch it for a 13-yard gain. Should have been a 20-25-yard gain if he just hits him in stride. Then the Conklin throw with no timeouts remaining.

Second half on the PI call against New Orleans in the end zone, Smith was wide open for nearly a walk-in touchdown if he just finds him.

The guy just has ZERO ability to feel a rush, doesn't seem to understand down and distance and locks in on receivers. And, he gives you almost nothing in running skills.

He's a $15-million quarterback making $33-million.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:38:32 AM   
Bill Jandro

 

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Cousins isn't good at it that's for sure but it looks like they don't even practice it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/26/2020 8:55:53 AM   
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Our 2 minute offense is emberrassing.

Cousins isn't good at it that's for sure but it looks like they don't even practice it.


Why should they? I don't think they had two minute offenses in the 60s. Certainly didn't practice it. They get an A sticking to the 60s script.
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