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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

I don't think running awkwardly and stiff have anything to do with getting hurt. RG3 never ran awkwardly and stiff. Actually, right now I'd run very awkwardly and stiff and I think I'd be less likely to get hurt than if I was running like a deer full of confidence - no, right now I'd be pretty smart about getting my ass on the ground when I got what it could get .... running awkwardly and stiff that is

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

I don't think running awkwardly and stiff have anything to do with getting hurt. RG3 never ran awkwardly and stiff. Actually, right now I'd run very awkwardly and stiff and I think I'd be less likely to get hurt than if I was running like a deer full of confidence - no, right now I'd be pretty smart about getting my ass on the ground when I got what it could get .... running awkwardly and stiff that is

I've always found it awkward to run when stiff... especially running from an angry husband.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

You might be right, but the cap relief from cutting Reiff is very modest. I heard it speculated that he could be pressured to take a pay cut before the season begins, especially if he will not be a starter. I'm also thinking that he might be a better guard than LT, but I again I am just speculating. It's all up in the air.

I'm not a fan personally of making wholesale changes along the offensive line especially with a limited of-season. But it's not my call. Zimmer doesn't ask for my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

You might be right, but the cap relief from cutting Reiff is very modest. I heard it speculated that he could be pressured to take a pay cut before the season begins, especially if he will not be a starter. I'm also thinking that he might be a better guard than LT, but I again I am just speculating. It's all up in the air.

I'm not a fan personally of making wholesale changes along the offensive line especially with a limited of-season. But it's not my call. Zimmer doesn't ask for my opinion.

I don't consider 23M modest. I consider it substantial. Didn't you post that the cap could be cut 40M next year (because of COVID)? With Reiff gone, we'd be under even a reduced cap and in a great position to sign some very talented player(s). A team like NO would have to cut some studs. I think Reiff at guard would be an abject failure like Remmers - I have zero confidence in that move.

ONeil/Collins/Hill have been in the same system for several years, Bradbury/Samia/Udoh - this would be their second year. Only player that this would be their first is Ezra, and we have options in case he's not ready.

There's no rush to cut Reiff, we can wait until the first game of the season (I think) before his contract becomes guaranteed.

Be interesting to see it play out.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

You might be right, but the cap relief from cutting Reiff is very modest. I heard it speculated that he could be pressured to take a pay cut before the season begins, especially if he will not be a starter. I'm also thinking that he might be a better guard than LT, but I again I am just speculating. It's all up in the air.

I'm not a fan personally of making wholesale changes along the offensive line especially with a limited of-season. But it's not my call. Zimmer doesn't ask for my opinion.

I don't consider 23M modest. I consider it substantial. Didn't you post that the cap could be cut 40M next year (because of COVID)? With Reiff gone, we'd be under even a reduced cap and in a great position to sign some very talented player(s). A team like NO would have to cut some studs. I think Reiff at guard would be an abject failure like Remmers - I have zero confidence in that move.

ONeil/Collins/Hill have been in the same system for several years, Bradbury/Samia/Udoh - this would be their second year. Only player that this would be their first is Ezra, and we have options in case he's not ready.

There's no rush to cut Reiff, we can wait until the first game of the season (I think) before his contract becomes guaranteed.

Be interesting to see it play out.

I believe this year the cap savings is only 8 million something. We can still keep him this year and cut him the next which is probably the wiser option.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

You might be right, but the cap relief from cutting Reiff is very modest. I heard it speculated that he could be pressured to take a pay cut before the season begins, especially if he will not be a starter. I'm also thinking that he might be a better guard than LT, but I again I am just speculating. It's all up in the air.

I'm not a fan personally of making wholesale changes along the offensive line especially with a limited of-season. But it's not my call. Zimmer doesn't ask for my opinion.

I don't consider 23M modest. I consider it substantial. Didn't you post that the cap could be cut 40M next year (because of COVID)? With Reiff gone, we'd be under even a reduced cap and in a great position to sign some very talented player(s). A team like NO would have to cut some studs. I think Reiff at guard would be an abject failure like Remmers - I have zero confidence in that move.

ONeil/Collins/Hill have been in the same system for several years, Bradbury/Samia/Udoh - this would be their second year. Only player that this would be their first is Ezra, and we have options in case he's not ready.

There's no rush to cut Reiff, we can wait until the first game of the season (I think) before his contract becomes guaranteed.

Be interesting to see it play out.

I believe this year the cap savings is only 8 million something. We can still keep him this year and cut him the next which is probably the wiser option.

I was wrongly including his signing bonus. it would be 8.8M this year and the savings if unused would roll over to next year. Next yr would save 11.7. So 20.5M cap savings over two years. Still significant imo.

EDIT: With a Post June 1st Cut the 2020 savings would be 11M and 2021 11.8M. 22.8M for both years.

https://overthecap.com/player/riley-reiff/1068/

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think Cleveland is more pro-ready than ONeill was. ONeill was adding weight. Cleveland has been playing at 315 for a couple of years. I think Ezra will be a big improvement from day 1 in the passing game. I think he'll need to work on his run blocking but be adequate.

Unless our tackles have all taken a huge step back - there is no reason to keep Reiff. Saving 23M in cap this year and next is too important. We have at LT: Hill/ONeil/Ezra. At RT: ONeil/Udoh. In a pinch Hill can play RT and Dozier as emergency starter.

I've always advocated moving ONeil to the left side - but our IOL needs help. I'd like to see something like this:

Ezra
Collins/Samia
Bradbury
Udoh
ONeill

I think this could be a much improved group.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Pager

There are simply too many options to keep Reiff at tackle or even on the team. Even if Ezra is not ready at the start of the season, Hill is better on the left side and could start the season, transitioning like we did with ONeil. If Udoh is ready, we can move Oneil to the left side and insert Udoh.

We've been cap strapped for two years. A stagnant cap (or worse) and Cousins cap hit rising the next few years, we will need the 23M. I'm more than ok with the Tackles learning on the job. Reiff is not irreplaceable. Is average at best, and there is a risk of decline.

You might be right, but the cap relief from cutting Reiff is very modest. I heard it speculated that he could be pressured to take a pay cut before the season begins, especially if he will not be a starter. I'm also thinking that he might be a better guard than LT, but I again I am just speculating. It's all up in the air.

I'm not a fan personally of making wholesale changes along the offensive line especially with a limited of-season. But it's not my call. Zimmer doesn't ask for my opinion.

I don't consider 23M modest. I consider it substantial. Didn't you post that the cap could be cut 40M next year (because of COVID)? With Reiff gone, we'd be under even a reduced cap and in a great position to sign some very talented player(s). A team like NO would have to cut some studs. I think Reiff at guard would be an abject failure like Remmers - I have zero confidence in that move.

ONeil/Collins/Hill have been in the same system for several years, Bradbury/Samia/Udoh - this would be their second year. Only player that this would be their first is Ezra, and we have options in case he's not ready.

There's no rush to cut Reiff, we can wait until the first game of the season (I think) before his contract becomes guaranteed.

Be interesting to see it play out.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

He has 198 career carries. How many times has he been hurt?

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think Cleveland is more pro-ready than ONeill was. ONeill was adding weight. Cleveland has been playing at 315 for a couple of years. I think Ezra will be a big improvement from day 1 in the passing game. I think he'll need to work on his run blocking but be adequate.

Unless our tackles have all taken a huge step back - there is no reason to keep Reiff. Saving 23M in cap this year and next is too important. We have at LT: Hill/ONeil/Ezra. At RT: ONeil/Udoh. In a pinch Hill can play RT and Dozier as emergency starter.

I've always advocated moving ONeil to the left side - but our IOL needs help. I'd like to see something like this:

Ezra
Collins/Samia
Bradbury
Udoh
ONeill

I think this could be a much improved group.

i admit that i'd never even heard of cleveland before the draft...where i live we don't get many college games - i haven't watched one in three years...that said, i'd be more comfortable having o'neill move to the left side than a late 2nd round pick rookie starting at left-tackle....

also, i'd feel better if we had one solid vet guard on the team for the left or right side - preferably left....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

He has 198 career carries. How many times has he been hurt?

no one is ever going to convince me that encouraging cousins to run more is a good idea...i've been re-watching most of 2019 games in condensed version and cousins seems to take a hard hit almost every time he runs the ball - he's got kyle rudolph's speed and quickness, and he's an 'awkward' slider, too....

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think Cleveland is more pro-ready than ONeill was. ONeill was adding weight. Cleveland has been playing at 315 for a couple of years. I think Ezra will be a big improvement from day 1 in the passing game. I think he'll need to work on his run blocking but be adequate.

Unless our tackles have all taken a huge step back - there is no reason to keep Reiff. Saving 23M in cap this year and next is too important. We have at LT: Hill/ONeil/Ezra. At RT: ONeil/Udoh. In a pinch Hill can play RT and Dozier as emergency starter.

I've always advocated moving ONeil to the left side - but our IOL needs help. I'd like to see something like this:

Ezra
Collins/Samia
Bradbury
Udoh
ONeill

I think this could be a much improved group.

i admit that i'd never even heard of cleveland before the draft...where i live we don't get many college games - i haven't watched one in three years...that said, i'd be more comfortable having o'neill move to the left side than a late 2nd round pick rookie starting at left-tackle....

also, i'd feel better if we had one solid vet guard on the team for the left or right side - preferably left....

When watching Mattison clips when he was drafted Cleveland stood out like a sore thumb. I very much had him on my draft radar and I was very glad we got him. On the other hand the other highly rated tackle was still on the board and we passed on him. Time will tell if we chose right between the two, but I don't remember the other guys name.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

He has 198 career carries. How many times has he been hurt?

no one is ever going to convince me that encouraging cousins to run more is a good idea...i've been re-watching most of 2019 games in condensed version and cousins seems to take a hard hit almost every time he runs the ball - he's got kyle rudolph's speed and quickness, and he's an 'awkward' slider, too....

I wonder how much different the season would have ended up had Cousins ran for the first down instead of sliding against KC. IMO one of his two worst plays of the year with the end zone INT against the Pukers.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I think Cleveland is more pro-ready than ONeill was. ONeill was adding weight. Cleveland has been playing at 315 for a couple of years. I think Ezra will be a big improvement from day 1 in the passing game. I think he'll need to work on his run blocking but be adequate.

Unless our tackles have all taken a huge step back - there is no reason to keep Reiff. Saving 23M in cap this year and next is too important. We have at LT: Hill/ONeil/Ezra. At RT: ONeil/Udoh. In a pinch Hill can play RT and Dozier as emergency starter.

I've always advocated moving ONeil to the left side - but our IOL needs help. I'd like to see something like this:

Ezra
Collins/Samia
Bradbury
Udoh
ONeill

I think this could be a much improved group.

i admit that i'd never even heard of cleveland before the draft...where i live we don't get many college games - i haven't watched one in three years...that said, i'd be more comfortable having o'neill move to the left side than a late 2nd round pick rookie starting at left-tackle....

also, i'd feel better if we had one solid vet guard on the team for the left or right side - preferably left....

When watching Mattison clips when he was drafted Cleveland stood out like a sore thumb. I very much had him on my draft radar and I was very glad we got him. On the other hand the other highly rated tackle was still on the board and we passed on him. Time will tell if we chose right between the two, but I don't remember the other guys name.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

He has 198 career carries. How many times has he been hurt?

no one is ever going to convince me that encouraging cousins to run more is a good idea...i've been re-watching most of 2019 games in condensed version and cousins seems to take a hard hit almost every time he runs the ball - he's got kyle rudolph's speed and quickness, and he's an 'awkward' slider, too....

I wonder how much different the season would have ended up had Cousins ran for the first down instead of sliding against KC. IMO one of his two worst plays of the year with the end zone INT against the Pukers.

If cousins doesn’t Have a wide open space in front of him, he is completely incapable of Making the play....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here's a video showing Cousins running out of the pocket in Washington and suggesting that he do more of that as a Viking.

https://twitter.com/OstoyicKyle/status/1277116914419093504?s=20

no...i don't see him running any more than he does now...he's the type of runner that will get himself hurt...he puts himself in a position to take harder shots than he should - he can't avoid hard hits....

he runs awkwardly and stiff - it's just not natural for him....

He has 198 career carries. How many times has he been hurt?

no one is ever going to convince me that encouraging cousins to run more is a good idea...i've been re-watching most of 2019 games in condensed version and cousins seems to take a hard hit almost every time he runs the ball - he's got kyle rudolph's speed and quickness, and he's an 'awkward' slider, too....

I wonder how much different the season would have ended up had Cousins ran for the first down instead of sliding against KC. IMO one of his two worst plays of the year with the end zone INT against the Pukers.

If cousins doesn’t Have a wide open space in front of him, he is completely incapable of Making the play....

It is really weird too....when we signed Cousins he was top 5 in QB rushing yards and Rushing TDs for QBs the previous 3 years.....