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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

As of now there is a 99.99999999999999999% chance that the libertarian candidate will not win, but I still think it's better than voting for Trump or Biden.

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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

As of now there is a 99.99999999999999999% chance that the libertarian candidate will not win, but I still think it's better than voting for Trump or Biden.

Who is it?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

As of now there is a 99.99999999999999999% chance that the libertarian candidate will not win, but I still think it's better than voting for Trump or Biden.

Who is it?

I had to look it up. I'm very apolitical.
Jo Jorgensen was chosen as the party's presidential nominee, becoming the first woman to receive the Libertarian nomination, after four rounds of voting.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

As of now there is a 99.99999999999999999% chance that the libertarian candidate will not win, but I still think it's better than voting for Trump or Biden.

Who is it?

I had to look it up. I'm very apolitical.
Jo Jorgensen was chosen as the party's presidential nominee, becoming the first woman to receive the Libertarian nomination, after four rounds of voting.

Well, if we don't want to be called sexist, I guess we should vote for her.

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Get back to me in 20 years on this. In 2040, short of the owners, nobody will remember one business that got burned (maybe the Target). The good will far outweigh the bad. Not even close.

I'm sorry it saddened you. I'm sorry it was a disappointment to you. I'm sorry it stirred up emotions in you. But if you can't see the point of it all, you need to check your values. The buildings and businesses can be rebuilt. For George Floyd and many others, however, life ended as a result of ongoing corruption and lack of institutional control that has existed for over 200 years.

It was time! Enough with the fancy talk and promises by politicians. Take to the streets and let your actions be heard. It if makes people uncomfortable for a few weeks, so be it. The alternative was life as usual, which for many, was no longer an option.

2020 was a bad year for pacifists.

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Get back to me in 20 years on this. In 2040, short of the owners, nobody will remember one business that got burned (maybe the Target). The good will far outweigh the bad. Not even close.

I'm sorry it saddened you. I'm sorry it was a disappointment to you. I'm sorry it stirred up emotions in you. But if you can't see the point of it all, you need to check your values. The buildings and businesses can be rebuilt. For George Floyd and many others, however, life ended as a result of ongoing corruption and lack of institutional control that has existed for over 200 years.

It was time! Enough with the fancy talk and promises by politicians. Take to the streets and let your actions be heard. It if makes people uncomfortable for a few weeks, so be it. The alternative was life as usual, which for many, was no longer an option.

2020 was a bad year for pacifists.

Ugh!

By your 'logic', it would be OK if people burned the Hoiseth or Unome residence to the ground, and maybe one of our family members died, because the good outweighs the bad. After all, no one, outside of us or our families, will remember our burnt out home and dead family member in 20 years.

The problem with what is happening is not uncomfortable people, it is using one, or a series, of illegal actions by Police to justify additional illegal actions. This is the very reason we have laws. The Police Officers in the Floyd case are facing criminal punishment for their crimes. This is how law and order works. Law and order is not just preventing rioting and looting, law and order is preventing bad cops from getting away with murder.

To be even tacitly OK with rioting and looting, or even tacitly OK with Police killing a man in their custody is not law and order, it is being OK wioth crime because you do not care much about the victims of said crime.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: unome

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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....

I do not think that is true. I think many people will vote for the candidate this year that they think sucks less.

Do not like Trump, but think Biden is worse, many will vote for Trump.

Do not like Biden, but think Trump is worse, many will vote for Biden.


This is not my plan, but I know quite a few people that would desperately prefer another Republican to be the nominee over Trump, but who will probably still vote for Trump.

I did this in the 2004 election where I voted for the lesser of two evils and I did not like it. So, I promised myself to never vote for a candidate I did not like again. I voted Libertarian in 2016 and there is a 99+% chance I will do this again in 2020.

As of now there is a 99.99999999999999999% chance that the libertarian candidate will not win, but I still think it's better than voting for Trump or Biden.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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Get back to me in 20 years on this. In 2040, short of the owners, nobody will remember one business that got burned (maybe the Target). The good will far outweigh the bad. Not even close.

I'm sorry it saddened you. I'm sorry it was a disappointment to you. I'm sorry it stirred up emotions in you. But if you can't see the point of it all, you need to check your values. The buildings and businesses can be rebuilt. For George Floyd and many others, however, life ended as a result of ongoing corruption and lack of institutional control that has existed for over 200 years.

It was time! Enough with the fancy talk and promises by politicians. Take to the streets and let your actions be heard. It if makes people uncomfortable for a few weeks, so be it. The alternative was life as usual, which for many, was no longer an option.

2020 was a bad year for pacifists.

Ugh!

By your 'logic', it would be OK if people burned the Hoiseth or Unome residence to the ground, and maybe one of our family members died, because the good outweighs the bad. After all, no one, outside of us or our families, will remember our burnt out home and dead family member in 20 years.

The problem with what is happening is not uncomfortable people, it is using one, or a series, of illegal actions by Police to justify additional illegal actions. This is the very reason we have laws. The Police Officers in the Floyd case are facing criminal punishment for their crimes. This is how law and order works. Law and order is not just preventing rioting and looting, law and order is preventing bad cops from getting away with murder.

To be even tacitly OK with rioting and looting, or even tacitly OK with Police killing a man in their custody is not law and order, it is being OK wioth crime because you do not care much about the victims of said crime.

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Even if you are disappointed with the current fruits of the two party system, political nihilism is not the answer. Engage, assess, analyze, and vote.

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Absolutely.

Biden is another old, white guy. He's not someone to be excited about.

But, Harris is.

All 4 members of 'The Squad' winning their primaries is.

Young and/or progressive people that are more concerned with the planet and the average person instead of lining more rich people's pockets moving up the chain is.

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Also KG ... the only people talking about the ‘incredible progress’ we’ve made are the people that are either too blind or too complacent to see how far there is to go.

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.

Let's think about this with a clear mind for a second: do you think the people that need to change their mindset and becoming more open to racial equality will become more or less likely to do so after they see a group of people riot, loot and burn sections of their city down?

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ORIGINAL: unome

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.

Let's think about this with a clear mind for a second: do you think the people that need to change their mindset and becoming more open to racial equality will become more or less likely to do so after they see a group of people riot, loot and burn sections of their city down?

Absolutely correct.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.

Let's think about this with a clear mind for a second: do you think the people that need to change their mindset and becoming more open to racial equality will become more or less likely to do so after they see a group of people riot, loot and burn sections of their city down?

Absolutely correct.

Thanks, I find it a little disturbing that no one left-of-center will come in and respond to Brad's comments that can only be described as tacitly approving of rioting and looting. The bolded comment above is horrible in my opinion. Shockingly bad.

And even if one makes the argument that the ends justify the means, I have seen no evidence that there would any gain in the rioters ends.

In fact, it seems to be the opposite:

"What’s often hard for people to see is that there are these white moderates who are part of the Democratic coalition as long as they perceive there to be order, but when they perceive there to be too much disorder they shift to the party that has owned the issue of order, which is the Republican Party. For some people, the idea that there are these swing Democratic-minded voters is hard to grasp, but there is pretty strong evidence that in 2016, and in 1968, that was an important and influential niche of voters." - Omar Wasow, a professor of politics at Princeton.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-violent-protests-change-politics

In case anyone did not know, the New Yorker is a pretty left-of-center publication, so this is not Fox News saying rioting hurts Democrats.




And to the one reader that gave my above post in response to Brad one star: Dear anonymous one-star voter, can you explain to me, via PM if you prefer, where my post was in error so that I may better understand how you think rioting or looting will help the cause of racial equality? Thanks

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ORIGINAL: unome

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.

Let's think about this with a clear mind for a second: do you think the people that need to change their mindset and becoming more open to racial equality will become more or less likely to do so after they see a group of people riot, loot and burn sections of their city down?

Absolutely correct.

Thanks, I find it a little disturbing that no one left-of-center will come in and respond to Brad's comments that can only be described as tacitly approving of rioting and looting. The bolded comment above is horrible in my opinion. Shockingly bad.

And even if one makes the argument that the ends justify the means, I have seen no evidence that there would any gain in the rioters ends.

In fact, it seems to be the opposite:

"What’s often hard for people to see is that there are these white moderates who are part of the Democratic coalition as long as they perceive there to be order, but when they perceive there to be too much disorder they shift to the party that has owned the issue of order, which is the Republican Party. For some people, the idea that there are these swing Democratic-minded voters is hard to grasp, but there is pretty strong evidence that in 2016, and in 1968, that was an important and influential niche of voters." - Omar Wasow, a professor of politics at Princeton.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-violent-protests-change-politics

In case anyone did not know, the New Yorker is a pretty left-of-center publication, so this is not Fox News saying rioting hurts Democrats.




And to the one reader that gave my above post in response to Brad one star: Dear anonymous one-star voter, can you explain to me, via PM if you prefer, where my post was in error so that I may better understand how you think rioting or looting will help the cause of racial equality? Thanks

Rioting and looting will never effect positive change. Brad is sick for even suggesting that.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.

Let's think about this with a clear mind for a second: do you think the people that need to change their mindset and becoming more open to racial equality will become more or less likely to do so after they see a group of people riot, loot and burn sections of their city down?

Absolutely correct.

Thanks, I find it a little disturbing that no one left-of-center will come in and respond to Brad's comments that can only be described as tacitly approving of rioting and looting. The bolded comment above is horrible in my opinion. Shockingly bad.

And even if one makes the argument that the ends justify the means, I have seen no evidence that there would any gain in the rioters ends.

In fact, it seems to be the opposite:

"What’s often hard for people to see is that there are these white moderates who are part of the Democratic coalition as long as they perceive there to be order, but when they perceive there to be too much disorder they shift to the party that has owned the issue of order, which is the Republican Party. For some people, the idea that there are these swing Democratic-minded voters is hard to grasp, but there is pretty strong evidence that in 2016, and in 1968, that was an important and influential niche of voters." - Omar Wasow, a professor of politics at Princeton.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-violent-protests-change-politics

In case anyone did not know, the New Yorker is a pretty left-of-center publication, so this is not Fox News saying rioting hurts Democrats.




And to the one reader that gave my above post in response to Brad one star: Dear anonymous one-star voter, can you explain to me, via PM if you prefer, where my post was in error so that I may better understand how you think rioting or looting will help the cause of racial equality? Thanks

Rioting and looting will never effect positive change. Brad is sick for even suggesting that.

Boston Tea Party?

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Ugh!

By your 'logic', it would be OK if people burned the Hoiseth or Unome residence to the ground, and maybe one of our family members died, because the good outweighs the bad. After all, no one, outside of us or our families, will remember our burnt out home and dead family member in 20 years.

The problem with what is happening is not uncomfortable people, it is using one, or a series, of illegal actions by Police to justify additional illegal actions. This is the very reason we have laws. The Police Officers in the Floyd case are facing criminal punishment for their crimes. This is how law and order works. Law and order is not just preventing rioting and looting, law and order is preventing bad cops from getting away with murder.

To be even tacitly OK with rioting and looting, or even tacitly OK with Police killing a man in their custody is not law and order, it is being OK wioth crime because you do not care much about the victims of said crime.

Thank you. Every time I saw a Talking Head(Cable News) say that it is just stuff and can be replaced, I wanted to say, "Let's burn down your mansion for the cause"

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It's unfortunate, but, if it takes looting and rioting to make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition, count me in. I don't think anyone took joy in watching the events. It was upsetting. It was at times chaotic.

The riots and looting are the actions that will HARM progress, not the actions that will help create it.