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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

630X worse in terms of death probability for an 85+ year old to catch covid than for a 18-29 year old. Cases per million ignores that. Deaths per million does not. States with a poor deaths per million stat did a poor job of protecting the most vulnerable.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

630X worse in terms of death probability for an 85+ year old to catch covid than for a 18-29 year old. Cases per million ignores that. Deaths per million does not. States with a poor deaths per million stat did a poor job of protecting the most vulnerable.

It's hard to protect the vulnerable when 40% of the country thinks it's okay not to wear a mask.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

630X worse in terms of death probability for an 85+ year old to catch covid than for a 18-29 year old. Cases per million ignores that. Deaths per million does not. States with a poor deaths per million stat did a poor job of protecting the most vulnerable.

It's hard to protect the vulnerable when 40% of the country thinks it's okay not to wear a mask.

Cuomo must have thought it wasn't contagious. Too busy soaking up all the future President talk to protect the Nursing Homes.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

630X worse in terms of death probability for an 85+ year old to catch covid than for a 18-29 year old. Cases per million ignores that. Deaths per million does not. States with a poor deaths per million stat did a poor job of protecting the most vulnerable.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

We’ve gotten better at treating Covid as the pandemic has progressed. Using deaths per capita is a poor measure of a state’s quality of response to the pandemic. The earlier you were hit the higher percentage of deaths you had. That’s a factor that is out of any state’s control. Taking measures to reduce infection IS within a states control and that’s why I look at cases per capita. I think you know this too but for some reason you’re using the less telling statistic because it helps your argument. This makes this part of the discussion tedious but whatever.

630X worse in terms of death probability for an 85+ year old to catch covid than for a 18-29 year old. Cases per million ignores that. Deaths per million does not. States with a poor deaths per million stat did a poor job of protecting the most vulnerable.

You mean states like New York that MANDATED COVID patients be allowed back into the LTC faciilities?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Pandemic deaths?..

COVID infections?..

Superspreader events?..

But. But ..but in March, Cuomo....

Benghazi!!!!

I don’t call them reptilliantards for nothing..

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

It's amazing how the response to a 10 month clusterf*ck by the Trump administration is to point out that Cuomo made some mistakes in the early going. Here is the thing, Cuomo at least learned from early mistakes and made major changes.

Trump has spent the entire spring, summer and fall doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on stupid, but hey ... remember back in March when Cuomo made nursing homes accept patients with covid.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

It's amazing how the response to a 10 month clusterf*ck by the Trump administration is to point out that Cuomo made some mistakes in the early going. Here is the thing, Cuomo at least learned from early mistakes and made major changes.

Trump has spent the entire spring, summer and fall doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on stupid, but hey ... remember back in March when Cuomo made nursing homes accept patients with covid.

There are literally thousands of critical Trump posts on talkvikes. No one should be taken aback by a few posts criticizing Cuomo.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

It's amazing how the response to a 10 month clusterf*ck by the Trump administration is to point out that Cuomo made some mistakes in the early going. Here is the thing, Cuomo at least learned from early mistakes and made major changes.

Trump has spent the entire spring, summer and fall doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on stupid, but hey ... remember back in March when Cuomo made nursing homes accept patients with covid.

There are literally thousands of critical Trump posts on talkvikes. No one should be taken aback by a few posts criticizing Cuomo.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

It's amazing how the response to a 10 month clusterf*ck by the Trump administration is to point out that Cuomo made some mistakes in the early going. Here is the thing, Cuomo at least learned from early mistakes and made major changes.

Trump has spent the entire spring, summer and fall doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on stupid, but hey ... remember back in March when Cuomo made nursing homes accept patients with covid.

There are literally thousands of critical Trump posts on talkvikes. No one should be taken aback by a few posts criticizing Cuomo.

That seems like that is all the Trumpers have to fall back on.

"oh yeah? Well remember when Cuomo ****ed up early on?"


Seriously look at his actions since then. He admits he made mistakes. He corrected them and moved on.

Tim Walz here in MN is very much the same. Made mistakes, corrected and moved on, knowing his actions aren't necessarly popular but are necessary.

Meanwhile Trump keeps doubling down as Sweeney says.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Top 13 states for virus cases-per-million people:

1. Louisiana
2. Mississippi
3. Florida
4. North Dakota
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Arizona
8. Tennessee
9. Iowa
10. South Carolina
11. South Dakota
12. Arkansas
13. Texas

Idaho is coming on strong and soon will make it the top 14 states in virus cases (per-million). Utah also making a charge.

All voted for Trump in 2016. And people say leadership (or lack thereof) doesn't matter.

Deaths per million:

1. New Jersey, 182 deaths per million, Democratic governor
2. New York, 171, Democratic
3. Massachusetts, 139, Republican
4. Connecticut, 127, Democratic
5. Louisiana, 121, Democratic
6. Rhode Island, 106, Democratic
7. Mississippi, 103, Republican
8. District of Columbia, 90, Democratic mayor
9. Arizona, 79, Republican
10T. Illinois, 72, Democratic
10T. Michigan, 72, Democratic

States that required nursing homes to admit covid patients to their vulnerable populations:

New York, Democratic governor
New Jersey, Democratic governor
Pennsylvania, Democratic governor
Michigan, Democratic governor

On March 25, 2020, New York ordered: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to a nursing home solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. Nursing homes are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”

China had reported in mid-February that covid was especially lethal among the elderly.

Come on, Jbusse.

Everyone knows that these states have high death rates because of the dumb azz GOP states next to them. Billy Bob and Cletus going into the big cities and spitting on everyone.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE. IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The lockdown isn't designed to be some kind of permanent situation. It's designed to put a screeching halt to the rampant spread of the very contagious virus. A city/state that doesn't lockdown at all is going to have a huge spike and many deaths. A city/state that locks down for a 4-6 week period is going to reduce both to a trickle. At that point things can re-open in a carefully considered manner.

Our problem is that, without any leadership at the top, we never took a hard stance at the beginning, which allowed the virus to spread out of control.

If we wanted to cut the deaths in half, it would have to have been a permanent situation until a vaccine is available.

Then we are looking at probably 40% unemployment and a Great Depression. Unless we printed up another 5-7 Trillion dollars.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The lockdown isn't designed to be some kind of permanent situation. It's designed to put a screeching halt to the rampant spread of the very contagious virus. A city/state that doesn't lockdown at all is going to have a huge spike and many deaths. A city/state that locks down for a 4-6 week period is going to reduce both to a trickle. At that point things can re-open in a carefully considered manner.

Our problem is that, without any leadership at the top, we never took a hard stance at the beginning, which allowed the virus to spread out of control.

If we wanted to cut the deaths in half, it would have to have been a permanent situation until a vaccine is available.

Then we are looking at probably 40% unemployment and a Great Depression. Unless we printed up another 5-7 Trillion dollars.

The lockdown's purpose was to buy time for our healthcare system to reconfigure itself to deal with the pandemic. Post-lockdown we needed energetic and purposeful leadership to push masks, distancing, and hand washing - EVEN IF THAT MEANT DOING SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T POLITICALLY POPULAR. That's a test of leadership - am I willing to do something for the good of the people even if that means I get some blowback from it. We all see what we got. Failure.

I'm guessing you would say Minnesota did all these things you are talking about.

What did it get them? Higher death per capita rates than a neighboring state that did little of those things.

We shut down too early so it was ineffective.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Pandemic deaths?..

COVID infections?..

Superspreader events?..

But. But ..but in March, Cuomo....

Benghazi!!!!

I don’t call them reptilliantards for nothing..

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Pandemic deaths?..

COVID infections?..

Superspreader events?..

But. But ..but in March, Cuomo....

Benghazi!!!!

I don’t call them reptilliantards for nothing..

So we go back 10 months for Trump but no one else?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Most infected states:

1. Louisiana
2. North Dakota
3. Mississippi
4. Florida
5. Alabama
6. South Dakota
7. Tennessee
8. Iowa
9. Georgia
10. Arizona
11. Arkansas
12. South Carolina
13. Texas

Coming on strong is Nebraska (15), Idaho (16) and Utah (17).

What do they all have in common?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Most infected states:

1. Louisiana
2. North Dakota
3. Mississippi
4. Florida
5. Alabama
6. South Dakota
7. Tennessee
8. Iowa
9. Georgia
10. Arizona
11. Arkansas
12. South Carolina
13. Texas

Coming on strong is Nebraska (15), Idaho (16) and Utah (17).

What do they all have in common?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Most infected states:

1. Louisiana
2. North Dakota
3. Mississippi
4. Florida
5. Alabama
6. South Dakota
7. Tennessee
8. Iowa
9. Georgia
10. Arizona
11. Arkansas
12. South Carolina
13. Texas

Coming on strong is Nebraska (15), Idaho (16) and Utah (17).

What do they all have in common?

I'm surprised Wisconsin is not on that list. Their hospitals are at capacity. Minnesota always gets screwed by this. We are surrounded by morons.