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The people who liked the Kellen Mond pick are on drugs. The guy has no arm and did next to nothing in college. He will also set us back a year or two in looking for a QB because as a third round pick they will give him a chance to play when the Cousins era is over. It's TJack 2.0. Yippee.

If they wanted a QB they should have gotten one in the first round. The top four QB's are all going to do well. That's why we should have targeted. How many QB's drafted after the early second round actually make it? Cousins? Brady? Wilson? If they are not good enough to be first round picks at an over-drafted position then they most likely will never amount to a hill of beans.

I'd say half the people here actually like or LOVE the Mond pick. Stupid.

That's contradictory to EVERYTHING I've read about him or seen on the tapes. Stupid.

You think a new regime is going to hitch their wagon to a 3rd round QB if he hasn't shown something? Stupid.

Forget Prescott? Stupid.

You think there will be 100% success rate of the first 4 QBs? Stupid.

Yes, they will hitch their wagon to this guy for a year or two. Just like TJack.

I did forget Prescott.

Not a 100% success rate, of course, but if you want to commit to getting a QB in the draft THAT'S where you draft them. You don't wait for the third tier guys who almost never pan out. Just look on this team the past 25 years.

Chad May
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen
John David Booty
Nate Stanley

Here are QB's taken in rounds 2-5 from 2016 going forward:

Christian Hackenberg
Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan

DeShone Kizer
Davis Webb
CJ Beathard
Joshua Dobbs
Nathan Peterman

Mason Rudolph
Kyle Lauletta
Mike White

Drew Lock
Will Grier
Ryan Finley
Jarrett Stidham
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson

Jalen Hurts
Jacob Eason
James Morgan
Jake Fromm

Other than Prescott and maybe Hurts, the rest or HORRIBLE NFL QB's. Mond = WASTED PICK.

Should have just sent a 6th round pick to Carolina and gotten Teddy back to be the backup. They could have grabbed DE Ossai instead or Brady Christensen who they supposedly loved instead of getting a backup QB in the third round.

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The people who liked the Kellen Mond pick are on drugs. The guy has no arm and did next to nothing in college. He will also set us back a year or two in looking for a QB because as a third round pick they will give him a chance to play when the Cousins era is over. It's TJack 2.0. Yippee.

If they wanted a QB they should have gotten one in the first round. The top four QB's are all going to do well. That's why we should have targeted. How many QB's drafted after the early second round actually make it? Cousins? Brady? Wilson? If they are not good enough to be first round picks at an over-drafted position then they most likely will never amount to a hill of beans.

I'd say half the people here actually like or LOVE the Mond pick. Stupid.

Shocking, you have a negative opinion... have you ever posted anything positive about anything the Vikings have ever done... in the history of history?

God forbid fans be positive in the most optimistic point in the year.

As far as "no arm"... watching his game film takes a couple of minutes to realize how wrong that is.

As far as done nothing...

"How many Texas A&M players were drafted other than Mond? Only one offensive player a guard in the 4th and two defensive players in the 4th. Despite having no major playmakers, Mond let them to a 8-1 record in the SEC"

3rd round QB is still a longshot... but the Russel Wilson/Dak Prescott qbs do happen.

Phil Simms & JT Sullivan who are 2 evaluators who have been pretty good at rating QB talent the last several years had him rated in the top 4.

It's like talking to a third grader. Mond is a wasted pick. The last time I was wrong on a Vikings QB was Culpepper's second year. Before that I believe I wanted Kramer to start over Wade Wilson in 1987. That's it. People here liked Ponder at one time (true story). Some wanted TJack to start his rookie year and stayed with him in Year 2 and Year 3 (true story). Some even hated Favre (true story). Some thought noodle arm Teddy was the answer (true story).

We have a backup QB in Mond. Period. At least he was part of the trade down so it's kind of like an Underwood bonus pick. But still...the optimism on this guy is unwarranted. Looking at past data there's a 92-96% chance this guy never does a damn thing in the NFL. But some purple goggle Bilbens look at it like, "So you're sayin there's a chance..."

Ah yes, next the insults...

You said: no arm.... I showed that as false
You said: done nothing... I showed that as false

You believe it's a wasted pick... very possible.
I think a 3rd round when you have 4 on a QB you think could develop is reasonable... it's certainly against the odds... I'm guessing Seattle and Dallas are glad they took a chance.

You are infallible(i know, i word for a 3rd grader) when it comes to predicting QB play... wanna go on record as to predicting Fields and Mac Jones future... you know, the only guys we had a shot at in the 1st round.

One thing I always worry about with Mills Fields and Davis. They played with a lot of talent. Lance and Monds didn’t. Hell Monds took Alabama and LSU (great defenses) with literally no talent at WR or TE. The Gophers have better TE and WR. A great QB does that.

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The people who liked the Kellen Mond pick are on drugs. The guy has no arm and did next to nothing in college. He will also set us back a year or two in looking for a QB because as a third round pick they will give him a chance to play when the Cousins era is over. It's TJack 2.0. Yippee.

If they wanted a QB they should have gotten one in the first round. The top four QB's are all going to do well. That's why we should have targeted. How many QB's drafted after the early second round actually make it? Cousins? Brady? Wilson? If they are not good enough to be first round picks at an over-drafted position then they most likely will never amount to a hill of beans.

I'd say half the people here actually like or LOVE the Mond pick. Stupid.

That's contradictory to EVERYTHING I've read about him or seen on the tapes. Stupid.

You think a new regime is going to hitch their wagon to a 3rd round QB if he hasn't shown something? Stupid.

Forget Prescott? Stupid.

You think there will be 100% success rate of the first 4 QBs? Stupid.

Yes, they will hitch their wagon to this guy for a year or two. Just like TJack.

I did forget Prescott.

Not a 100% success rate, of course, but if you want to commit to getting a QB in the draft THAT'S where you draft them. You don't wait for the third tier guys who almost never pan out. Just look on this team the past 25 years.

Chad May
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen
John David Booty
Nate Stanley

Here are QB's taken in rounds 2-5 from 2016 going forward:

Christian Hackenberg
Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan

DeShone Kizer
Davis Webb
CJ Beathard
Joshua Dobbs
Nathan Peterman

Mason Rudolph
Kyle Lauletta
Mike White

Drew Lock
Will Grier
Ryan Finley
Jarrett Stidham
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson

Jalen Hurts
Jacob Eason
James Morgan
Jake Fromm

Other than Prescott and maybe Hurts, the rest or HORRIBLE NFL QB's. Mond = WASTED PICK.

Should have just sent a 6th round pick to Carolina and gotten Teddy back to be the backup. They could have grabbed DE Ossai instead or Brady Christensen who they supposedly loved instead of getting a backup QB in the third round.

Coming back for a second try

Give a 6th for Teddy AND have to restructure deals cuz we'd be over the cap? Stupid.

Any other brilliant ideas?

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

I see KC picked Creed Humphries with their 2nd rder (their 1st selection).

Their org was not going to let their oline drag them down a 2nd time.

The Vikes are high on Hinton and as bad Dozier is he would be a good backup on most teams. We now have two first rounders two second rounders and a third invested in our oline. Straw man argument at Rick ignoring oline. All on coaches at this point. Zimmer mentioned he wanted two bigger lineman and two were drafted.

Look back on the good Vikings lines. They had studs but they also stayed healthy and didn’t test depth too much. Best thing u can do for depth is get rid of injury riddled lineman.

The Vikings being high on Hinton sounds like Samia the year before. We are high on every player on the roster or they wouldn't be on the roster. That doesn't mean a lot until you see them in games.

I don't think Dozier is a good back-up ... if he can't play his 'starter experience' doesn't mean a lot. Hill is a decent back-up ... didn't play well in extended time (or on the right side) ... but he has looked solid in spot duty on the left. There is vast chasm between Hill and Dozier as back-ups.

Straw man argument at Rick ignoring the line is true but the performance of the line has made that commentary forgivable. Adding draftees like adding starter experience only adds if the player can play or develop into a player. Speilman had been giving 'draft attention' to the OL four years before this offseason and the line sucked. Hopefully, Darrisaw and Davis will push the gauge from below avg to avg or above (or even above avg, you never know), we'll have to wait and see.

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The people who liked the Kellen Mond pick are on drugs. The guy has no arm and did next to nothing in college. He will also set us back a year or two in looking for a QB because as a third round pick they will give him a chance to play when the Cousins era is over. It's TJack 2.0. Yippee.

If they wanted a QB they should have gotten one in the first round. The top four QB's are all going to do well. That's why we should have targeted. How many QB's drafted after the early second round actually make it? Cousins? Brady? Wilson? If they are not good enough to be first round picks at an over-drafted position then they most likely will never amount to a hill of beans.

I'd say half the people here actually like or LOVE the Mond pick. Stupid.

That's contradictory to EVERYTHING I've read about him or seen on the tapes. Stupid.

You think a new regime is going to hitch their wagon to a 3rd round QB if he hasn't shown something? Stupid.

Forget Prescott? Stupid.

You think there will be 100% success rate of the first 4 QBs? Stupid.

Yes, they will hitch their wagon to this guy for a year or two. Just like TJack.

I did forget Prescott.

Not a 100% success rate, of course, but if you want to commit to getting a QB in the draft THAT'S where you draft them. You don't wait for the third tier guys who almost never pan out. Just look on this team the past 25 years.

Chad May
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen
John David Booty
Nate Stanley

Here are QB's taken in rounds 2-5 from 2016 going forward:

Christian Hackenberg
Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan

DeShone Kizer
Davis Webb
CJ Beathard
Joshua Dobbs
Nathan Peterman

Mason Rudolph
Kyle Lauletta
Mike White

Drew Lock
Will Grier
Ryan Finley
Jarrett Stidham
Easton Stick
Clayton Thorson

Jalen Hurts
Jacob Eason
James Morgan
Jake Fromm

Other than Prescott and maybe Hurts, the rest or HORRIBLE NFL QB's. Mond = WASTED PICK.

Should have just sent a 6th round pick to Carolina and gotten Teddy back to be the backup. They could have grabbed DE Ossai instead or Brady Christensen who they supposedly loved instead of getting a backup QB in the third round.

Coming back for a second try

Give a 6th for Teddy AND have to restructure deals cuz we'd be over the cap? Stupid.

Any other brilliant ideas?

After I read the no arm comment, it is obvious he has no idea what he’s talking about
Mond has a rocket. Maybe the strongest arm of all the QBs. Accuracy has been an issue, but that’s why he was a day 2 pick
I love the pick. It’s just the type of guy you take a chance on
He may turn out to be nothing, but great pick
Yes, both Simms think he is a really talented guy who can be a star
He was the number 2 recruit coming out of HS
Talent is not an issue here.

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I think Mond looks a lot like Kapernick talent wise. I’ll stick by that. Also Played at IMG. Big Time

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I'm not going to argue with you Phil

If you are satisfied with Udoh, Hinton, Dozier, Cole as 4 of your possible 5 backups there's nothing more to say.

I think we keep 9 Olinemen with LS as the 10th.

LT Darrisaw
LG Cleveland
C Bradbury
RG Davis
RT O'Neill

Subs

Udoh
Cole
Hill
Hinton or FA

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I'm not going to argue with you Phil

If you are satisfied with Udoh, Hinton, Dozier, Cole as 4 of your possible 5 backups there's nothing more to say.

I think we keep 9 Olinemen with LS as the 10th.

LT Darrisaw
LG Cleveland
C Bradbury
RG Davis
RT O'Neill

Subs

Udoh
Cole
Hill
Hinton or FA

Edit. Davis is a RG.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

You are forgetting about Hinton but every team has 8-9 lineman. I like our 8-9. Nobody keeps 10. Stash a couple on taxi squad that no one will snipe and call it good with maybe another FA signing but not much money left

Why do you even suggest 8 lineman? Who does that? My guess is you will repeat it to try to defend your stance on depth, i.e. the fewer OL we carry, the easier it is to say we have better depth.

I believe teams carry 10 OL FAR FAR more than 8 OL.

"Nobody keeps 10." Really?

Does the long snapper count or not? Again there is thr next round of cuts in June. Samia and Dozier are on outside looking in. Are u going with 10-11 oline make the team excluding LS to fit ur narrative?

Come back after a Laker win grumpy ass. Tom and I were fine discussing it w/o u.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

You are forgetting about Hinton but every team has 8-9 lineman. I like our 8-9. Nobody keeps 10. Stash a couple on taxi squad that no one will snipe and call it good with maybe another FA signing but not much money left

Why do you even suggest 8 lineman? Who does that? My guess is you will repeat it to try to defend your stance on depth, i.e. the fewer OL we carry, the easier it is to say we have better depth.

I believe teams carry 10 OL FAR FAR more than 8 OL.

"Nobody keeps 10." Really?

Does the long snapper count or not? Again there is thr next round of cuts in June. Samia and Dozier are on outside looking in. Are u going with 10-11 oline make the team excluding LS to fit ur narrative?

Come back after a Laker win grumpy ass. Tom and I were fine discussing it w/o u.

Fit my narrative? Geez, you even copy what I say. Why would anyone expect you to get the basics of the OL correct when you are wrong on everything else.

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What everyone seems to be dancing around, is the Vikings run a wide-zone blocking scheme, which prioritizes athleticism over bulk and power. Darrisaw may fit into that well enough, but Davis rep is more of a phone booth guy. Will there be tweaking of the scheme to fit Davis? How does that affect our incumbents? Or is Davis a better fit than advertised?

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

You are forgetting about Hinton but every team has 8-9 lineman. I like our 8-9. Nobody keeps 10. Stash a couple on taxi squad that no one will snipe and call it good with maybe another FA signing but not much money left

Why do you even suggest 8 lineman? Who does that? My guess is you will repeat it to try to defend your stance on depth, i.e. the fewer OL we carry, the easier it is to say we have better depth.

I believe teams carry 10 OL FAR FAR more than 8 OL.

"Nobody keeps 10." Really?

Does the long snapper count or not? Again there is thr next round of cuts in June. Samia and Dozier are on outside looking in. Are u going with 10-11 oline make the team excluding LS to fit ur narrative?

Come back after a Laker win grumpy ass. Tom and I were fine discussing it w/o u.

Fit my narrative? Geez, you even copy what I say. Why would anyone expect you to get the basics of the OL correct when you are wrong on everything else.

Only when the Lakers lose have you had a snarly comment...please don't post until they win again.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

You are forgetting about Hinton but every team has 8-9 lineman. I like our 8-9. Nobody keeps 10. Stash a couple on taxi squad that no one will snipe and call it good with maybe another FA signing but not much money left

Why do you even suggest 8 lineman? Who does that? My guess is you will repeat it to try to defend your stance on depth, i.e. the fewer OL we carry, the easier it is to say we have better depth.

I believe teams carry 10 OL FAR FAR more than 8 OL.

"Nobody keeps 10." Really?

Does the long snapper count or not? Again there is thr next round of cuts in June. Samia and Dozier are on outside looking in. Are u going with 10-11 oline make the team excluding LS to fit ur narrative?

Come back after a Laker win grumpy ass. Tom and I were fine discussing it w/o u.

Fit my narrative? Geez, you even copy what I say. Why would anyone expect you to get the basics of the OL correct when you are wrong on everything else.

Only when the Lakers lose have you had a snarly comment...please don't post until they win again.

You are nutso.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

You are forgetting about Hinton but every team has 8-9 lineman. I like our 8-9. Nobody keeps 10. Stash a couple on taxi squad that no one will snipe and call it good with maybe another FA signing but not much money left

Why do you even suggest 8 lineman? Who does that? My guess is you will repeat it to try to defend your stance on depth, i.e. the fewer OL we carry, the easier it is to say we have better depth.

I believe teams carry 10 OL FAR FAR more than 8 OL.

"Nobody keeps 10." Really?

Does the long snapper count or not? Again there is thr next round of cuts in June. Samia and Dozier are on outside looking in. Are u going with 10-11 oline make the team excluding LS to fit ur narrative?

Come back after a Laker win grumpy ass. Tom and I were fine discussing it w/o u.

Fit my narrative? Geez, you even copy what I say. Why would anyone expect you to get the basics of the OL correct when you are wrong on everything else.

Only when the Lakers lose have you had a snarly comment...please don't post until they win again.

You are nutso.

Re Read your last 6-10 posts there kettle. Hell you got into a battle with Sweens over Ezra Cleveland. Take a nice look in the mirror, go re check the Lakers box score, take a nap, come back, and be civil.

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Phil with his 8 OL per team league Guess he's posting about arena football!

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Phil with his 8 OL per team league Guess he's posting about arena football!