quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

According to Simms, Mond is better than Fields. Just the fact that the Bears drafted Fields makes me question him as prospect.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

Look at production in the final two minutes of halves. He had the #30 QB Rating in the second half of games last season. Is that solid production during crunch time?

Nothing confusing about that.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

Look at production in the final two minutes of halves. He had the #30 QB Rating in the second half of games last season. Is that solid production during crunch time?

Nothing confusing about that.

This will be his make or break year. OLine should be better.

When teams know we have to pass, our OLine rarely held up. It held up okay when we could play action.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

Look at production in the final two minutes of halves. He had the #30 QB Rating in the second half of games last season. Is that solid production during crunch time?

Nothing confusing about that.

This will be his make or break year. OLine should be better.

When teams know we have to pass, our OLine rarely held up. It held up okay when we could play action.

Another word for prospect is suspect. Until the new guys take a snap at the NFL level, they are all prospects.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

OK guru of all things financial

The thing here is you have no links to fringe websites to hide behind so you just spout nonsense.

8-9 proven? LMAO! Yes, in your mind you have proven teams carry 8 OL on the roster. Of course you moved the goalpost to weasel out of by saying 'dress up, suit up' (maybe you have a thing for NFL players dressing, not that there is anything wrong with that!) after several posters called you out and/or said you are wrong.

Why don't you just stay in your lane instead of repeatedly getting in over your head?

Oh, and don't double/triple down on dumb.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

Look at production in the final two minutes of halves. He had the #30 QB Rating in the second half of games last season. Is that solid production during crunch time?

Nothing confusing about that.

This will be his make or break year. OLine should be better.

When teams know we have to pass, our OLine rarely held up. It held up okay when we could play action.

Another word for prospect is suspect. Until the new guys take a snap at the NFL level, they are all prospects.

Agreed in the sense there will always be excuses for Cousins. Don't dare ask the $31 million (and increasing) man to overcome some of those excuses.

Instead, extend his original 100% guaranteed contract with a 100% guaranteed extension!

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

According to Simms, Mond is better than Fields. Just the fact that the Bears drafted Fields makes me question him as prospect.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

Look at production in the final two minutes of halves. He had the #30 QB Rating in the second half of games last season. Is that solid production during crunch time?

Nothing confusing about that.

This will be his make or break year. OLine should be better.

When teams know we have to pass, our OLine rarely held up. It held up okay when we could play action.

Another word for prospect is suspect. Until the new guys take a snap at the NFL level, they are all prospects.

Agreed in the sense there will always be excuses for Cousins. Don't dare ask the $31 million (and increasing) man to overcome some of those excuses.

Instead, extend his original 100% guaranteed contract with a 100% guaranteed extension!

Who is doubling down on stupid? That was the point...the cap hit is because of the FO. What do you have for replacing Kirk instead of numbers that you don't understand.

Mond is a solution in a year or two down the road....anyone throwing Case/Sam/Teddy or any one else....better produce. Kirk has produced sorry Bill.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M
Thankful for Dana's perspective.
I don't know what it says about a person but when it's a fresh year full of fresh hope and all you want to do is beat a dead horse over something you have no control over but man its annoying.

+1
I am just happy what they did with Reiffs & Rudolph's money....still amazed by that and I remember the Teddy days of 15-18 TDs which we thought were awesome compared to Ponder and then the Bradford/Case couple of years.

I think Cousins gives us a chance to win---be nice to keep a 30 TD guy happy for at least 2 more years.

Kirk Stats
2018 30 TD 10 INT 40 times sacked
2019 26 TD 6 INT 28 times sacked
2020 35 TD 13 INT 39 times sacked

Teddy stats:
2015 14 TDs 9 INT 39 times sacked
2014 14 TDs 12 INT 44 times sacked

Case stats:
2017 22 TDs 7 INTS 22 times sacked

Bradford stats
2016 Stats 20 TDs 5 Ints 37 times sacked

I think I like what Kirk does better....I don't even want to post Ponder stats.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"but cap wise Cousins/Mannion has been cheap." Written here on 5/4/2021 by our resident financial guru.

Simply put, that doesn't mean a thing because you fail to see how the future years are completely tied in to the past. That was the purpose of the restructure!

Not to mention what he has earned with Minny isn't cheap but YMMV.

Go find out what our dead cap is if we cut Cousins AFTER June 1st, 2022 and report back.

Reread posts about cap hit versus salary versus restructures. Then look at production. Your comprehension of simple things like numbers might be the reason you are so snarky. Funny that 8-9 was proven already but something so simple continues to confuse you.

Sometimes the number of TDS and production is confusing for some posters.

OK guru of all things financial

The thing here is you have no links to fringe websites to hide behind so you just spout nonsense.

8-9 proven? LMAO! Yes, in your mind you have proven teams carry 8 OL on the roster. Of course you moved the goalpost to weasel out of by saying 'dress up, suit up' (maybe you have a thing for NFL players dressing, not that there is anything wrong with that!) after several posters called you out and/or said you are wrong.

Why don't you just stay in your lane instead of repeatedly getting in over your head?

Oh, and don't double/triple down on dumb.

You act like a hoarder with 3 used sets of tires in his garage. First post/reply with Tom said it all. You weren't involved. You can't come up with any new content.

Again you lost.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M
Thankful for Dana's perspective.
I don't know what it says about a person but when it's a fresh year full of fresh hope and all you want to do is beat a dead horse over something you have no control over but man its annoying.

+1
I am just happy what they did with Reiffs & Rudolph's money....still amazed by that and I remember the Teddy days of 15-18 TDs which we thought were awesome compared to Ponder and then the Bradford/Case couple of years.

I think Cousins gives us a chance to win---be nice to keep a 30 TD guy happy for at least 2 more years.

Kirk Stats
2018 30 TD 10 INT 40 times sacked
2019 26 TD 6 INT 28 times sacked
2020 35 TD 13 INT 39 times sacked

Teddy stats:
2015 14 TDs 9 INT 39 times sacked
2014 14 TDs 12 INT 44 times sacked

Case stats:
2017 22 TDs 7 INTS 22 times sacked

Bradford stats
2016 Stats 20 TDs 5 Ints 37 times sacked

I think I like what Kirk does better....I don't even want to post Ponder stats.

Kirk has flaws, but he is the best we've had, at least since Fran Tarkenton and I was too young to remember his glory days.

If we can give him some protection he'll do very well. Great arm.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M
Thankful for Dana's perspective.
I don't know what it says about a person but when it's a fresh year full of fresh hope and all you want to do is beat a dead horse over something you have no control over but man its annoying.

+1
I am just happy what they did with Reiffs & Rudolph's money....still amazed by that and I remember the Teddy days of 15-18 TDs which we thought were awesome compared to Ponder and then the Bradford/Case couple of years.

I think Cousins gives us a chance to win---be nice to keep a 30 TD guy happy for at least 2 more years.

Kirk Stats
2018 30 TD 10 INT 40 times sacked
2019 26 TD 6 INT 28 times sacked
2020 35 TD 13 INT 39 times sacked

Teddy stats:
2015 14 TDs 9 INT 39 times sacked
2014 14 TDs 12 INT 44 times sacked

Case stats:
2017 22 TDs 7 INTS 22 times sacked

Bradford stats
2016 Stats 20 TDs 5 Ints 37 times sacked

I think I like what Kirk does better....I don't even want to post Ponder stats.

Kirk has flaws, but he is the best we've had, at least since Fran Tarkenton and I was too young to remember his glory days.

If we can give him some protection he'll do very well. Great arm.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Best since Tarkenton?

I'll take Favre's first year here over anything Cousins has done in three years. Yeah we lost the NFCCG in overtime, but he got us there by elevating the team week after week.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Best since Tarkenton?

I'll take Favre's first year here over anything Cousins has done in three years. Yeah we lost the NFCCG in overtime, but he got us there by elevating the team week after week.

That was a good year, but you can't cherry pick one season and ignore the rest.

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

According to Simms, Mond is better than Fields. Just the fact that the Bears drafted Fields makes me question him as prospect.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Best since Tarkenton?

I'll take Favre's first year here over anything Cousins has done in three years. Yeah we lost the NFCCG in overtime, but he got us there by elevating the team week after week.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Murph

I really liked the Mond pick but wonder if we should have been more aggressive pursuing Fields?

Keep him from the Bears too.

Time will tell.

Clip below from McAfee's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPPbSvvoti4

According to Simms, Mond is better than Fields. Just the fact that the Bears drafted Fields makes me question him as prospect.

When I was doing my evaluation of QB's for this years draft class, my board went Wilson, Lawrence, Jones, Lance, Mills, Mond then Fields. I have never confessed to being the best evaluator for QB's, but although Fields is a great athlete, there are many other intangibles that I feel he lacks when compared to the others in the group. we shall see, but I was very happy when the Bears took him, he doesn't frighten me one bit.

As I mentioned in an earlier, I'm not sold on Mond being a top tier QB in the NFL, but he does have some of the traits you are looking for and the other areas of his game that are suspect are areas that can be developed, so you never know. He might just pan out, but arm strength is not a weakness for him (as mentioned in a quote from another post). Decision making is where he needs to improve, footwork and arm motion can also be refined, but he has time, do the Vikings have the coaches for this task, not sure.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Best since Tarkenton?

I'll take Favre's first year here over anything Cousins has done in three years. Yeah we lost the NFCCG in overtime, but he got us there by elevating the team week after week.

Randall Cunningham's season