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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 9:19:00 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

The great ones have the ability to create on their own and make everyone around them better on a consistent basis. Those guys win championships and earn a yellow jacket.

So you're a Hall of Famer or you suck? How much better did Mahomes make his offensive line in the Super Bowl? Or is he not good enough either?

I get it, this is your schtick, you're very Trump-like in hyping your very special mind, which is like nothing that's ever been seen. But I believe right above where you cite "the great ones," I concede Kirk is not great. Your Rain Mannish spewing is not worthy of your Beautiful Mind......

I never said he sucked. I only said he isn't a winner when it matters. Some guys have that "IT" and some don't. At $33-million a year, I need to have my guy having "IT".

And before some of you get into the nonsense about fair market value, let me stop you right there. Just because other guys are making similar money and producing similar numbers, doesn't mean it is fair market value. It only means that other franchises are also overpaying their guy (Lions, Colts, Falcons, Cowboys and Niners come to mind).

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 9:28:33 AM   
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In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 9:41:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 9:42:36 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

The great ones have the ability to create on their own and make everyone around them better on a consistent basis. Those guys win championships and earn a yellow jacket.

So you're a Hall of Famer or you suck? How much better did Mahomes make his offensive line in the Super Bowl? Or is he not good enough either?

I get it, this is your schtick, you're very Trump-like in hyping your very special mind, which is like nothing that's ever been seen. But I believe right above where you cite "the great ones," I concede Kirk is not great. Your Rain Mannish spewing is not worthy of your Beautiful Mind......

I never said he sucked. I only said he isn't a winner when it matters. Some guys have that "IT" and some don't. At $33-million a year, I need to have my guy having "IT".

And before some of you get into the nonsense about fair market value, let me stop you right there. Just because other guys are making similar money and producing similar numbers, doesn't mean it is fair market value. It only means that other franchises are also overpaying their guy (Lions, Colts, Falcons, Cowboys and Niners come to mind).

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 9:56:32 AM   
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In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:02:11 AM   
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In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

I too am excited about Surratt on further review. I have purple lenses on with Jones; he might be a pass rush specialist.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:07:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

I too am excited about Surratt on further review. I have purple lenses on with Jones; he might be a pass rush specialist.

I think between Jones and Robinson, one will be a rotational player fairly early. After all they will be working with the DL Whisperer. I'm also looking forward to seeing the year 2 version of Wonnum. Back in the mesozoic era, Bud Grant used to say that players made their biggest strides from year 1 to year 2.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:15:13 AM   
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I wonder what GM's think about Stafford....LA thinks they have super bowl contending roster except at QB. Lions never built a team around him but Stafford's career record is way worse than Kirk's and I believe he makes more money. (We could talk about Wentz, Tannehill, Ryan, Garrapolo, Dak, Carr, etc. too) QB's making the same salary but haven't performed any better or worse.

It is typical on this board though that if a GM does an outstanding job in FA and drafts to bring something up like the QB salary.

Pretty sure when Kirk came in they made a ton of promises...(Oline, etc.) to build a team around him and finally this year I think he will have a full complement of talent. I like the fast RB/WR/TE and think all three make the team easily. Even w/o Gladney Hughes is probably our 4th CB.

There is a ton of talent added to the team this year....most excited I have been about contending for something major in many years. I even think we have good depth

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:24:47 AM   
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I wonder what GM's think about Stafford....LA thinks they have super bowl contending roster except at QB. Lions never built a team around him but Stafford's career record is way worse than Kirk's and I believe he makes more money.

It is typical on this board though that if a GM does an outstanding job in FA and drafts to bring something up like the QB salary.

Pretty sure when Kirk came in they made a ton of promises...(Oline, etc.) to build a team around him and finally this year I think he will have a full complement of talent. I like the fast RB/WR/TE and think all three make the team easily. Even w/o Gladney Hughes is probably our 4th CB.

There is a ton of talent added to the team this year....most excited I have been about contending for something major in many years. I even think we have good depth


This is the only thing I worry about. We have below average depth at WR and S, and it would be nice to add another G/C before the season starts. But otherwise I agree that on paper the Vikings go into the season without any holes to their starting roster.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:45:27 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Cousins is a very good American Football player.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:47:21 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.


Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

If we hadn't lost our entire defense last year it likely would have been us winning the Super Bowl. Make no mistake we have a very talented team and with health there is no reason to think we can't win it all this season.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:49:02 AM   
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Seems to me that the only reason Cousins even puts up stats is because he’s always playing from behind in the Second Half.
Mostly prevent defense stats.

Cousins sucks.
Most of the World knows it.
Only about half of the Viking fans believe in him.

He is also no where near the best QB since Tark.

You have your right to be wrong. Cousins is very good at American Football. One of the best players in the world.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:49:11 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.


Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

If we hadn't lost our entire defense last year it likely would have been us winning the Super Bowl. Make no mistake we have a very talented team and with health there is no reason to think we can't win it all this season.


We didn't have the Oline or Dline to compete last year.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:51:16 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

Brad more or less just described Kobe Bryant with his BB analogy. Kobe shot 29% in clutch time despite being much better when the game wasn't on the line.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:53:18 AM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.


Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

If we hadn't lost our entire defense last year it likely would have been us winning the Super Bowl. Make no mistake we have a very talented team and with health there is no reason to think we can't win it all this season.


We didn't have the Oline or Dline to compete last year.

With Pierce, Hunter we would have had the D line to compete. With good health there was every chance for us winning it all despite our poor OL play.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 10:57:47 AM   
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In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

My only concern about the draft is that when things appear too good to be true they often are too good to be true. Davis is coming off an injury. If he regains his full health he was probably worthy of a first round pick. If he doesn't he might not be worth anything.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 11:11:26 AM   
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Off-season amnesia has gotten the best of this board .... just like every other off-season.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 11:38:00 AM   
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Off-season amnesia has gotten the best of this board .... just like every other off-season.

Isn't it time to watch Wapner?
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 12:01:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Off-season amnesia has gotten the best of this board .... just like every other off-season.


How is Tampa Doing this offseason?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 12:44:51 PM   
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How is KC better than Jay Cutler ?

They seem similar. Cutler had better OLs, KC has had Theilen and Jefferson, and Cook.

I think KC is a slightly more accurate thrower.

They both seem likely to get sacked, throw a pick, or get hit as they're trying to throw what is likely the play of the game against a good team.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 12:51:16 PM   
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How is KC better than Jay Cutler ?


He completes a higher % of his passes for more yards, more TD and fewer interceptions. His career rating of 97.9 is quite a bit higher than Cutlers 85.3. Other than that, yeah, they're almost identical.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 2:17:24 PM   
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The four seasons in Minnesota:

Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)

Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)

Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)

Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 2:36:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The four seasons in Minnesota:

Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)

Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)

Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)

Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)

You’re like a succubus that feeds on fan angst, what are you complaining about?
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 2:45:27 PM   
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I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Cousins is a very good American Football player.

I can’t believe my silly qb vs. businessman post sparked a reaction. Cousins and his agent have obviously played the situation perfectly, exploiting his good production to get paid like one of the league’s clutch players.

This season is going to be seminal in the careers of a lot of people. Can’t wait.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 5/6/2021 3:37:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H
The four seasons in Minnesota:
Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)
Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)
Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)
Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)


Which is why you improve the line, add speed at WR/TE/RB and rebuild the defense. So you think TB and Mahomes created magic w/o a roster?

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