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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 8:34:51 AM

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trading down for a 2nd rounder....

we swap 1st rounders - they give us their 2nd rounder and then we give them -

#15 patriots...both 3rds & late 4th
#16 cardinals...early 3rd & early 4th & late 4th
#17 raiders...early 3rd & early 4th
#18 dolphins...early 3rd
#19 football team...late 3rd & late 6th
#20 bears...4th&5th&6th or late 3rd
#21 colts...4th
#22 titans...5th
#23 jets...7th
#24 steelers...nothing

Nice work rap!

I'd like dolphins or football team. I'd also trade a 4th for a 3rd next year.

Also open to a trade someone posted earler, trading some quantity for a 2nd (I think of LA Rams or SEA) since they only have 4-5 picks this year.

if a team calls us then the value chart could be thrown out the window...it could happen because so many qb's and wr's will be taken early...if micah parsons falls to us i would only trade down to new England if they're taking different player....

There seems to be a gentlemen's agreement that the new team will not take player x. However a third team could then offer NE a deal they can't refuse and the agreement is out the window.

I think the draft breaks at 12 for top tier talent, but that won't stop teams from targeting players they want:

4 QBs
4 pass receivers (3 WR, 1 TE)
1 LT
2 CBs
1 LB

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 9:46:41 AM

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Paris Ford seems like a Zimmer guy.

Is it possible the Vikes take Ford with their 1st pick ?

If they trade back a few spots, and a few OL fall, maybe the next one on their board is Ford.

Not a chance. Ford bombed his pro-day and is now projected to be a 3rd rd pick

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 11:21:22 AM

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IMO, Boogie Basham to the Vikings is the best fit in the entire class regardless of position.

he could thrive in the Everson Griffen role, add situational pressure from the inside, & should outperform his draft spot

(only talking about prospect-Vikings, not prospect-other tm)

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It's been said that I am a "proxy for my Twitter pals". I'm just sharing what I think is interesting to me and I figure if it's interesting to me it probably is for you too. That is the case, is it not?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 12:07:38 PM

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IMO, Boogie Basham to the Vikings is the best fit in the entire class regardless of position.

he could thrive in the Everson Griffen role, add situational pressure from the inside, & should outperform his draft spot

(only talking about prospect-Vikings, not prospect-other tm)

(Spencer Thompson on Twitter)

It's been said that I am a "proxy for my Twitter pals". I'm just sharing what I think is interesting to me and I figure if it's interesting to me it probably is for you too. That is the case, is it not?

Keep doing what you are doing Bruce! I enjoy when you post these, I often look up the names to get a better feel for them as a prospect.

TY for all you do for the board, much appreciated!

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 12:47:35 PM

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Speaking of Brady Christensen here. I am reading that no one has the work ethic and maturity of Brady Christensen, who is a bit older due to his already completed missionary work. Here's a quote of interest:

Pro Football Focus fell in love with his talents and production, slapping a robust 96.2 overall grade on his 2020 season—the highest ever given to a left tackle prospect. That alone should turn heads and also make them wonder why he is seen as a fringe day two prospect. PFF ranked Christensen No. 8 in their list of top 100 players of the 2020 college football season.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-report/seahawks-2021-nfl-draft-profile-brady-christensen

He is a very possible prospect for the third round by the Vikings. I see him as a guard and it looks like one of his abilities is holding up better than many to the bull rushes with his low center of gravity. We certainly could use some of that.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 12:52:54 PM

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Spencer Thompson's grade on edge rushers. Spoiler alert: he like Phillips the best.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/vfr-scouting-49600881?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=postshare

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 7:49:44 PM

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Mel Kiper Jr. just dropped an interesting note on a Zoom call he's doing with our NFL Nation group.

"I wouldn’t be shocked if 40 cornerbacks are drafted."

Vikings still have a need behind Peterson, Gladney, Dantzler and Hughes. Sounds like Day 3 could yield a lot of picks.

Courtney Cronin on Twitter

Probably Day 2 CB or early Day 3.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/5/2021 8:52:07 PM

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Mel Kiper Jr. just dropped an interesting note on a Zoom call he's doing with our NFL Nation group.

"I wouldn’t be shocked if 40 cornerbacks are drafted."

Vikings still have a need behind Peterson, Gladney, Dantzler and Hughes. Sounds like Day 3 could yield a lot of picks.

Courtney Cronin on Twitter

Probably Day 2 CB or early Day 3.

Scratch Gladney from that list... smh

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 7:59:37 AM

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This puts Caleb Farley in play if he slips to 14.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 8:17:36 AM

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This puts Caleb Farley in play if he slips to 14.

Knowing the Vikings, Zimmer will be all over Farley, Surtain, or Horn.

When the OC complains, Zimmer will tell him you've got Dozier back and we went all-out to sign Cole so shut your trap.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 8:59:15 AM

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To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice.

Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down.

Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like.

I agree; first pick has to be offense with the exception of Parsons.

No way you can pick someone with a history of assault at this point.....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 9:54:16 AM

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To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice.

Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down.

Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like.

I agree; first pick has to be offense with the exception of Parsons.

No way you can pick someone with a history of assault at this point.....

I disagree. If you have a chance at a great player you can spin it enough to make that pick just fine.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 10:29:01 AM

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To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice.

Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down.

Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like.

I agree; first pick has to be offense with the exception of Parsons.

No way you can pick someone with a history of assault at this point.....

I disagree. If you have a chance at a great player you can spin it enough to make that pick just fine.

Agreed. Overreaction is what cost us the opportunity to draft Warren Sapp. Conversely, it let Moss fall to us.

They can spin it, but do check into his character of late.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 10:58:35 AM

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To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice.

Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down.

Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like.

I agree; first pick has to be offense with the exception of Parsons.

No way you can pick someone with a history of assault at this point.....

I disagree. If you have a chance at a great player you can spin it enough to make that pick just fine.

Agreed. Overreaction is what cost us the opportunity to draft Warren Sapp. Conversely, it let Moss fall to us.

They can spin it, but do check into his character of late.

If he checks out perfect, whatever that means, then maybe.

Of course, we currently have a dramatically worse offensive line than we fielded last year, when it was horrible in pass pro. The horribles are back, we added a horrible, and got rid of our best OL from last year.

So, no, we still can't take him even if he checks out 100% (whatever that means) from a character standpoint.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/6/2021 7:31:25 PM

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Quinn Meinerz is a OC prospect in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.98 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 2 out of 494 OC from 1987 to 2021.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 4:42:27 AM

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I wonder who was number one out of 494 RAS and if he was any good in the pros.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 6:49:07 AM

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I wonder who was number one out of 494 RAS and if he was any good in the pros.

On Twitter they are saying Creed Humphrey, who apparently is not athletic, so I'm wondering what RAS means.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/creed-humphrey/32004855-4d47-3083-2500-dde1ebaa729d

According to this article it is a score rating athleticism, so I am getting contradictory information.

https://sidelionreport.com/2015/06/13/ras-relative-athletic-scores-explained/

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 9:55:57 AM

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It sounds like a linebacker from Kentucky is moving up some draft boards because of his great showing at Pro day. His name is Jarmin Davis.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 10:51:03 AM

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I'm always wary of the guy who goes flying up the draft board because of pro days or combine workouts. Troy Williamson and Dimitrius Underwood come to mind.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 10:59:34 AM

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I'm always wary of the guy who goes flying up the draft board because of pro days or combine workouts. Troy Williamson and Dimitrius Underwood come to mind.

Me, too. I think of Mike Mamula with the eagles. great athlete, but he couldn't play dead. Matt Bowen compares him to Parsons, but I can't speak about that. I've seen Parsons play a bunch and he's really good. I don't remember seeing Davis play, though.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 11:38:55 AM

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I know we need offensive linemen bad, but if Waddle is still on the board I would take him. This is a passers league. Check out this speed.

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1379803523865575426?s=20

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 2:22:24 PM

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I know we need offensive linemen bad, but if Waddle is still on the board I would take him. This is a passers league. Check out this speed.

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1379803523865575426?s=20

This is why we should be signing replacement-level OGs, so we can take a premier talent that falls. Instead, we trade down specifically because we want people who aren't worthy of a high pick, and possibly to try to make up for past mistakes (Ngakoue) or own the latter part of the third day of the draft.....again, because that's worked so well.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 7:02:24 PM

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I just read that LB Zaven Collins of Tulsa is an Anthony Barr clone, is it possible the Vikes take him with their 1st pick ?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/7/2021 7:11:42 PM

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I just read that LB Zaven Collins of Tulsa is an Anthony Barr clone, is it possible the Vikes take him with their 1st pick ?

I like him a lot, but I don't want to use my first round draft pick as a backup in year one when we have pressing needs elsewhere.

If the argument is that we should take the "best player available", I like that point, but Collins is supposed to go toward the back end of the first round. He should not be even considered unless we trade back. Even so, at the back end of the first round should be equally nice players at positions of need.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/8/2021 10:35:05 AM

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Ben Leber has done a breakdown on the top edge rushers available on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ben+leber+nfl+draft+2021

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