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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 5:46:42 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 5:54:21 PM   
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Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21

Training camp "highlights" will show we nailed the draft. Whoo Hoo!

And the hamster wheel keeps turning.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 6:33:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21

So ... you think Udoh might possibly someways maybe somehow by one means or another have a chance of miraculously ... starting next year?

Based on what?

More baseless than widespread election fraud.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 6:57:04 PM   
Bill Jandro

 

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21

So ... you think Udoh might possibly someways maybe somehow by one means or another have a chance of miraculously ... starting next year?

Based on what?

More baseless than widespread election fraud.

About it. i got nothing

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 8:19:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21

So ... you think Udoh might possibly someways maybe somehow by one means or another have a chance of miraculously ... starting next year?

Based on what?

More baseless than widespread election fraud.

About it. i got nothing

After re-reading my post, not my most tactfull ...

I’m glad it was taken personally. More of a vent on my part connected to my raw nerve and the absurdities of the day.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/6/2021 11:49:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21


That's worst case scenario. You need more than two, even if nobody goes down.

Our roster is clearly built by Zimmer. Why would you need more than two quality WR's when our offensive philosophy is to run first?

The game favors passing offense like never before. Hardest job in football is coverage CB. Tax the defense with more than two quality pass catchers.
Dalvin Cook could be even better if we did that, and not take the crazy beating.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 3:29:40 AM   
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i don't want us to use young offensive tackles as guards...sign/trade for a solid 2nd tier guard in fa - then draft one within the first 50 picks....

we have three each of 4th and 5th round picks and will most likely end up with another 4th via trae waynes...i think we can make some upgrade trades for safety, guard, dt...others, that have workable contracts presently with teams in a rebuild that are looking for draft picks....

rework barr, harrison, thielen - cut reiff, rudolph, stephen....

i don't think there's any way we can field a playoff team with 2021 draft picks alone....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 7:43:47 AM   
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i don't want us to use young offensive tackles as guards...sign/trade for a solid 2nd tier guard in fa - then draft one within the first 50 picks....

we have three each of 4th and 5th round picks and will most likely end up with another 4th via trae waynes...i think we can make some upgrade trades for safety, guard, dt...others, that have workable contracts presently with teams in a rebuild that are looking for draft picks....

rework barr, harrison, thielen - cut reiff, rudolph, stephen....

i don't think there's any way we can field a playoff team with 2021 draft picks alone....


We will never fix OG or OT by using the Klines of the world w/o trying to develop guards in season. Kline who was 29-30 came in and played a good handful of games but then another concussion and fall off at position and the whole oline.

Our problem is that they seem hesitant to just play a young guy. It seemed like pulling teeth to let Ezra play guard until we had some injuries but he was clearly a better option than Elf, Dozier, etc. They need to be better than that because the goal is to get better as the season goes on and depending on the 29-35 year old olineman with any injury history at all (which puts them in our salary range) is a problem. Need not only depth for the oline but solid young depth that improves over the season.

The problem this FO has is it poorly plans for after the first 5-8 games when it comes to the roster. Specifically 2020 (Elf, Dozier and a backup plan of Collins, Jones, Ezra at OG) That is some crap capital outside of Ezra.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 1/7/2021 7:56:06 AM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 10:46:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

We have multiple holes

-Both G spots assuming Rieff walks and move Ezra to LT. We can mitigate this to one G if we move O'Neal to LT and put Udoh at RT

-One DE assuming Hunter returns healthy. We simply don't have an every down player opposite Hunter. (Wonnum not ready)

-3T No one currently on the roster has stepped up

-S probably two because we have little to no depth here.

-CB again no depth and could use a starter on the outside opposite Dantsler. Gladney to slot.

-K knowing Rick he'll have multiple 6th rd picks so use one on a kicker barring Zim is to have zero interaction with him.



Good post.

Or Udoh at a guard and keep Oneil at RT. But at least 1 guard.

Agree on DE. Wonnum has shown some potential but so did Ifeadi. For every Hunter and Griffith that develops, a lot more are going to turn into Weatherly's.

I'm really curious for someone to do a dive on Watts. It seemed to me he was playing NT after playing 3T last year. He doesn't get wiped out like Jaleel Johnson. And at NT has to take on two blockers a lot. I wonder if he would be better at 3T. Second year guy could still take another step forward. But if he's playing NT and rotating with Pierce next year then we def need a 3T.

I would draft a S and try and get Smith to take a pay cut and extension. Add 1 year making it a 2 year 16M deal, add some guarantee money and then off to retirement for him in 2022? Let Harris walk unless there is no market for him and we can get him at a big discount.

Agree on CB. Need a starter and depth.

Also put WR on that list somewhere. We don't have any developmental guys and Thielan is not getting any younger.

We need another 2015 or 2020 draft. We have a 2016 draft and this team will drop off a cliff, imo.

Yeah forgot about WR. Not much talent if JJ or AT go down.

What's weird about G is that almost scouting reports place Cleveland as a T due to his slight frame and higher center of gravity. Yet they put him at G vs the beastly built Udoh. Who is much better equipped to handle big DT's.

Your right about this draft. We have to nail it if we plan to be competitive in 21


That's worst case scenario. You need more than two, even if nobody goes down.

Our roster is clearly built by Zimmer. Why would you need more than two quality WR's when our offensive philosophy is to run first?

The game favors passing offense like never before. Hardest job in football is coverage CB. Tax the defense with more than two quality pass catchers.
Dalvin Cook could be even better if we did that, and not take the crazy beating.




Don't be ridiculous. Be a MAN. 2 TE's and a fullback. If you can't out muscle that 16 body pileup 2 yards in your backfield you deserve to lose.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 11:14:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i don't want us to use young offensive tackles as guards...sign/trade for a solid 2nd tier guard in fa - then draft one within the first 50 picks....

we have three each of 4th and 5th round picks and will most likely end up with another 4th via trae waynes...i think we can make some upgrade trades for safety, guard, dt...others, that have workable contracts presently with teams in a rebuild that are looking for draft picks....

rework barr, harrison, thielen - cut reiff, rudolph, stephen....

i don't think there's any way we can field a playoff team with 2021 draft picks alone....


We will never fix OG or OT by using the Klines of the world w/o trying to develop guards in season. Kline who was 29-30 came in and played a good handful of games but then another concussion and fall off at position and the whole oline.

Our problem is that they seem hesitant to just play a young guy. It seemed like pulling teeth to let Ezra play guard until we had some injuries but he was clearly a better option than Elf, Dozier, etc. They need to be better than that because the goal is to get better as the season goes on and depending on the 29-35 year old olineman with any injury history at all (which puts them in our salary range) is a problem. Need not only depth for the oline but solid young depth that improves over the season.

The problem this FO has is it poorly plans for after the first 5-8 games when it comes to the roster. Specifically 2020 (Elf, Dozier and a backup plan of Collins, Jones, Ezra at OG) That is some crap capital outside of Ezra.


they tried samia and cleveland - young guys....

cleveland is our future left tackle - i don't want to ruin him at guard....

is it such a novel concept to get a proven nfl guard to play guard for the Minnesota Vikings?....

i would be okay with creating the cap space and paying a scherff or thuney, and in addition drafting a guard within one of our first two picks in this year's draft....

why does our front office hate guards so much?...they're just not sexy...when we were kids, guards were the last ones chosen in the sandlot - and spielman has that mentality....

we're good at tackle
o'neill
cleveland
hill
udoh

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 2:11:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i don't want us to use young offensive tackles as guards...sign/trade for a solid 2nd tier guard in fa - then draft one within the first 50 picks....

we have three each of 4th and 5th round picks and will most likely end up with another 4th via trae waynes...i think we can make some upgrade trades for safety, guard, dt...others, that have workable contracts presently with teams in a rebuild that are looking for draft picks....

rework barr, harrison, thielen - cut reiff, rudolph, stephen....

i don't think there's any way we can field a playoff team with 2021 draft picks alone....


We will never fix OG or OT by using the Klines of the world w/o trying to develop guards in season. Kline who was 29-30 came in and played a good handful of games but then another concussion and fall off at position and the whole oline.

Our problem is that they seem hesitant to just play a young guy. It seemed like pulling teeth to let Ezra play guard until we had some injuries but he was clearly a better option than Elf, Dozier, etc. They need to be better than that because the goal is to get better as the season goes on and depending on the 29-35 year old olineman with any injury history at all (which puts them in our salary range) is a problem. Need not only depth for the oline but solid young depth that improves over the season.

The problem this FO has is it poorly plans for after the first 5-8 games when it comes to the roster. Specifically 2020 (Elf, Dozier and a backup plan of Collins, Jones, Ezra at OG) That is some crap capital outside of Ezra.


they tried samia and cleveland - young guys....

cleveland is our future left tackle - i don't want to ruin him at guard....

is it such a novel concept to get a proven nfl guard to play guard for the Minnesota Vikings?....

i would be okay with creating the cap space and paying a scherff or thuney, and in addition drafting a guard within one of our first two picks in this year's draft....

why does our front office hate guards so much?...they're just not sexy...when we were kids, guards were the last ones chosen in the sandlot - and spielman has that mentality....

we're good at tackle
o'neill
cleveland
hill
udoh


I think Rick is still of the mindset that anyone can be coached up to be a good interior lineman. But, left guard is almost as much a skill position as left tackle nowadays. You have to start with a quality player first, and coach them up second.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/7/2021 2:28:10 PM   
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I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/11/2021 6:26:59 PM   
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I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.


Have you been watching Purple FTW videos? You are saying what he is saying too. He says we need bigger players at the guard spots because they are being pushed around.

This was the especially interesting one of his podcasts, though. Wow did he ever go after Jaleel Johnson. He showed no mercy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpcAc7WA4MY

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/11/2021 7:35:52 PM   
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Alabama 4th and Goal dials up a run moving Leatherwood from LT to RG. Harris followed him into the EZ.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/11/2021 8:40:49 PM   
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I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

That's the first time I've heard Dave Dixon referred to as mobile

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/11/2021 9:15:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

That's the first time I've heard Dave Dixon referred to as mobile

I think everyone would rather have big and mobile over small and mobile....they might be harder to find.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/11/2021 9:49:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

That's the first time I've heard Dave Dixon referred to as mobile

I think everyone would rather have big and mobile over small and mobile....they might be harder to find.

Them guys go early.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/17/2021 9:24:43 PM   
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I've looked at a couple of draft sites and they have us taking Barmore in the first round of 2021. I like him and Pierce at the tackle spots, if it works out that way.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 7:15:28 AM   
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I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

That's the first time I've heard Dave Dixon referred to as mobile


He was very mobile for 340-350. Played rugby and was from Austrailia/New Zealand when younger and was a pulling guard for the Vikes (RG).

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 1/18/2021 7:16:28 AM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 11:11:27 AM   
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What could the Vikings get for Dalvin Cook? The Jets could be willing to play ball.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 11:11:50 AM   
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I'm not making any hard preferences yet, but I like the OT from Virginia Tech. He's big and mobile. Sounds like he is just what we need.

https://withthefirstpick.com/2020/11/11/2021-nfl-draft-christian-darrisaw-report/

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 11:15:34 AM   
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Trade up by using Dalvin Cook as leverage. Draft the best available quarterback (with running ability) and be honest with the fan base by telling them you are in rebuild mode. It's time to move away from 1970's football and join the rest of the party.

Leading rushers from the four remaining teams:

Devin Singletary, 687 yards
Ronald Jones, 978 yards
Aaron Jones, 1,104 yards
Clyde Edwards-Helaire, 803 yards


Dalvin Cook, 1,557 yards. My recommendation is to quit trying to have one of the better running games in the league and start trying to win championships. The Adrian Peterson's and Dalvin Cook's of the world have zero rings.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 12:15:58 PM   
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What could the Vikings get for Dalvin Cook? The Jets could be willing to play ball.

Trade hm Kirk Cousins and a draft pick to Houston for Deshaun Watson...

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 12:18:02 PM   
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What could the Vikings get for Dalvin Cook? The Jets could be willing to play ball.

Trade hm Kirk Cousins and a draft pick to Houston for Deshaun Watson...


And hire Bieniemy as HC to make Watson happy.

(Sadly, Houston would never take that...)
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 1/18/2021 12:18:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I don't understand why we have 6'2 -6'3 small mobile Guards instead of trying to get the big mobile guys.....I remember molding Dave Dixon types instead of picking up concussed Kline, reguritated Dozier types......I don't understand.

We even grabbed Ryan Harris off of the FA market until his mystery injury and he was doing well.

That's the first time I've heard Dave Dixon referred to as mobile


He was very mobile for 340-350. Played rugby and was from Austrailia/New Zealand when younger and was a pulling guard for the Vikes (RG).


I would think a mobile 350 lb guard in the mid 90's to mid 2000's would have earned at least one pro bowl nod?
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