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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Hunter is free to hold out and not do his job, just as his employer is free to fine him, collect a pro-rated portion of previously paid guaranteed money, and/or 'fire' him. The so-called contract is about transfer of funds and relatively meaningless from the employment angle.

The term employer is just as meaningless. The NFL business model is an atrocity. Find me another industry where every franchise greatly succeeds financially in every city every year. The business model is to take the fans money, distribute some of it to the players and keep the rest of it for themselves and then repeat. (TV money is also just the fans' money as they drive the ratings that drives the advertising revenue) Why is there even any need for owners? A ten year old could smile for the camera at media events and hire a GM and coach from a list of ten or twelve familiar names. Oh dear did they guess wrong? So do 2/3rds of the existing owners - all the time.

But god forbid a player try to act in a business manner for his own benefit. What a selfish loser that guy is! Go do your job! What? People with commensurate skills and production are making double what you make? Too bad! Now excuse me, I have forty-three dumptrucks full of cash I need to find a place for.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Depends...If Hunter is looking for a Bosa deal it will certainly drain our cap and cost us.

However, Hunter was 1st team all-pro for both 18 & 19 seasons. So I see Hunter's pov yet the neck injury and the mere fact he has 3 years left on his current deal does put the organization in a bit of a pickle. Examples were cited many pages back that most NFL teams will not enter into negotiations with a player with less than 1 year left on his existing deal. The Vikings did Theilen's with 2 years left. That appears to be the water mark for this particular team. Couple that in with an injury that has ended or really hindered other players it all kind of points to Hunter needing to come back to the team and prove you still got it and you'll get your cabbage before the following season.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Hunter is free to hold out and not do his job, just as his employer is free to fine him, collect a pro-rated portion of previously paid guaranteed money, and/or 'fire' him. The so-called contract is about transfer of funds and relatively meaningless from the employment angle.

The term employer is just as meaningless. The NFL business model is an atrocity. Find me another industry where every franchise greatly succeeds financially in every city every year. The business model is to take the fans money, distribute some of it to the players and keep the rest of it for themselves and then repeat. (TV money is also just the fans' money as they drive the ratings that drives the advertising revenue) Why is there even any need for owners? A ten year old could smile for the camera at media events and hire a GM and coach from a list of ten or twelve familiar names. Oh dear did they guess wrong? So do 2/3rds of the existing owners - all the time.

But god forbid a player try to act in a business manner for his own benefit. What a selfish loser that guy is! Go do your job! What? People with commensurate skills and production are making double what you make? Too bad! Now excuse me, I have forty-three dumptrucks full of cash I need to find a place for.

You tell 'em David F.!

Hunter can sit out. He can go on strike. He can wage a one man crusade against the system he is in. His choice. At some point there will be mandatory fines agreed upon by his union. Later, he will be docked game checks. Purely his decision. And if he doesn't like the NFL business model he can get out of the entire operation right now.

As stated, we don't know what his intentions are. But IF he holds out through the season opener, anyone want to wager how many weekly checks at about $1 million each he'll be ok with losing?

IMO as long as his neck really is ok, I think he will be in the lineup week 1.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Hunter is free to hold out and not do his job, just as his employer is free to fine him, collect a pro-rated portion of previously paid guaranteed money, and/or 'fire' him. The so-called contract is about transfer of funds and relatively meaningless from the employment angle.

The term employer is just as meaningless. The NFL business model is an atrocity. Find me another industry where every franchise greatly succeeds financially in every city every year. The business model is to take the fans money, distribute some of it to the players and keep the rest of it for themselves and then repeat. (TV money is also just the fans' money as they drive the ratings that drives the advertising revenue) Why is there even any need for owners? A ten year old could smile for the camera at media events and hire a GM and coach from a list of ten or twelve familiar names. Oh dear did they guess wrong? So do 2/3rds of the existing owners - all the time.

But god forbid a player try to act in a business manner for his own benefit. What a selfish loser that guy is! Go do your job! What? People with commensurate skills and production are making double what you make? Too bad! Now excuse me, I have forty-three dumptrucks full of cash I need to find a place for.

You tell 'em David F.!

Hunter can sit out. He can go on strike. He can wage a one man crusade against the system he is in. His choice. At some point there will be mandatory fines agreed upon by his union. Later, he will be docked game checks. Purely his decision. And if he doesn't like the NFL business model he can get out of the entire operation right now.

As stated, we don't know what his intentions are. But IF he holds out through the season opener, anyone want to wager how many weekly checks at about $1 million each he'll be ok with losing?

IMO as long as his neck really is ok, I think he will be in the lineup week 1.

Or the team can simply pay him what he’s worth.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Hunter is free to hold out and not do his job, just as his employer is free to fine him, collect a pro-rated portion of previously paid guaranteed money, and/or 'fire' him. The so-called contract is about transfer of funds and relatively meaningless from the employment angle.

The term employer is just as meaningless. The NFL business model is an atrocity. Find me another industry where every franchise greatly succeeds financially in every city every year. The business model is to take the fans money, distribute some of it to the players and keep the rest of it for themselves and then repeat. (TV money is also just the fans' money as they drive the ratings that drives the advertising revenue) Why is there even any need for owners? A ten year old could smile for the camera at media events and hire a GM and coach from a list of ten or twelve familiar names. Oh dear did they guess wrong? So do 2/3rds of the existing owners - all the time.

But god forbid a player try to act in a business manner for his own benefit. What a selfish loser that guy is! Go do your job! What? People with commensurate skills and production are making double what you make? Too bad! Now excuse me, I have forty-three dumptrucks full of cash I need to find a place for.

You tell 'em David F.!

Hunter can sit out. He can go on strike. He can wage a one man crusade against the system he is in. His choice. At some point there will be mandatory fines agreed upon by his union. Later, he will be docked game checks. Purely his decision. And if he doesn't like the NFL business model he can get out of the entire operation right now.

As stated, we don't know what his intentions are. But IF he holds out through the season opener, anyone want to wager how many weekly checks at about $1 million each he'll be ok with losing?

IMO as long as his neck really is ok, I think he will be in the lineup week 1.

Or the team can simply pay him what he’s worth.

Or for now he could make piece with the contract he signed.

Or he could be a leader of this team.

Or he could merely show up for his teammates and coaches like Patterson that developed him.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

In other news, the NFL announced Thursday that Packers tight end Jace Sternberger was suspended without pay for the first two games of the regular season for violating the league's policy and program on substances of abuse.

Just another outrageous instance of players succumbing to all the burdens those do-nothing owners have placed on them.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

In other news, the NFL announced Thursday that Packers tight end Jace Sternberger was suspended without pay for the first two games of the regular season for violating the league's policy and program on substances of abuse.

Just another outrageous instance of players succumbing to all the burdens those do-nothing owners have placed on them.

Maybe he can go get hand jobs from exploited sex workers with bob kraft on those weeks.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Hunter is free to hold out and not do his job, just as his employer is free to fine him, collect a pro-rated portion of previously paid guaranteed money, and/or 'fire' him. The so-called contract is about transfer of funds and relatively meaningless from the employment angle.

The term employer is just as meaningless. The NFL business model is an atrocity. Find me another industry where every franchise greatly succeeds financially in every city every year. The business model is to take the fans money, distribute some of it to the players and keep the rest of it for themselves and then repeat. (TV money is also just the fans' money as they drive the ratings that drives the advertising revenue) Why is there even any need for owners? A ten year old could smile for the camera at media events and hire a GM and coach from a list of ten or twelve familiar names. Oh dear did they guess wrong? So do 2/3rds of the existing owners - all the time.

But god forbid a player try to act in a business manner for his own benefit. What a selfish loser that guy is! Go do your job! What? People with commensurate skills and production are making double what you make? Too bad! Now excuse me, I have forty-three dumptrucks full of cash I need to find a place for.

You tell 'em David F.!

Hunter can sit out. He can go on strike. He can wage a one man crusade against the system he is in. His choice. At some point there will be mandatory fines agreed upon by his union. Later, he will be docked game checks. Purely his decision. And if he doesn't like the NFL business model he can get out of the entire operation right now.

As stated, we don't know what his intentions are. But IF he holds out through the season opener, anyone want to wager how many weekly checks at about $1 million each he'll be ok with losing?

IMO as long as his neck really is ok, I think he will be in the lineup week 1.

Or the team can simply pay him what he’s worth.

Or for now he could make piece with the contract he signed.

Or he could be a leader of this team.

Or he could merely show up for his teammates and coaches like Patterson that developed him.

Hunter only had one chance to make as much dough as he can before he’s chewed up and spit out of the league. The team, on the other hand, has all the money necessary to keep an elite player happy and keep the team as competitive as possible. Elite players get elite pay or shit goes south. What are we saving the cap space for? Just in case the next Rudolph/Barr/Cousins comes along?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

You and KG make a compelling argument. I guess we’re just on different sides. If it were me I’d pay my elite talent and be happy the player turned out to do such a good job for the team.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Depends...If Hunter is looking for a Bosa deal it will certainly drain our cap and cost us.

However, Hunter was 1st team all-pro for both 18 & 19 seasons. So I see Hunter's pov yet the neck injury and the mere fact he has 3 years left on his current deal does put the organization in a bit of a pickle. Examples were cited many pages back that most NFL teams will not enter into negotiations with a player with less than 1 year left on his existing deal. The Vikings did Theilen's with 2 years left. That appears to be the water mark for this particular team. Couple that in with an injury that has ended or really hindered other players it all kind of points to Hunter needing to come back to the team and prove you still got it and you'll get your cabbage before the following season.

While paying him $17.5 million this year.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

You and KG make a compelling argument. I guess we’re just on different sides. If it were me I’d pay my elite talent and be happy the player turned out to do such a good job for the team.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

You and KG make a compelling argument. I guess we’re just on different sides. If it were me I’d pay my elite talent and be happy the player turned out to do such a good job for the team.

Me and who?

Was just thinking you have some great points and it's time I saw the light: pay the man!

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I would hope the Vikings are at least proposing something like a restructure where they guarantee more of his next two years in the interest of showing good faith, just like they are likely asking him to be patient and they'll work out an extension after this year. That could go a long way toward building a bridge past this year, which is a difficult time to extend because of his injury and the time left on his contract. His is one of the more egregiously undervalued contracts in the league, since at the point he signed it he'd only been a starter for one year (through no fault of his own). It was clear where he was headed, but his progress had been stunted by a degree of underuse.

Why not work with him to try to pay him what he's earned, since if it were the other way around they'd have no problem cutting him.