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Looking at last years depth chart vs this years likely depth chart, what a difference a year makes:

2020

LDE - Ifeadi Odenigbo, Jordan Brailford
NT - Shamar Stephen, Armon Watts
DT - Jaleel Johnson, James Lynch, Hercules Mata’afa
RDE - Jalyn Holmes, DJ Wonnum

2021

LDE - Danielle Hunter, Patrick Jones II
NT - Michael Pierce, Armon Watts
DT - Dalvin Tomlinson, Sheldon Richardson, Jaylen Twyman
RDE - Stephen Weatherly, DJ Wonnum

Yep I was thinking the same thing.

Laughable (Cried all year with that mess)

When you add Robinson in the mix who supposedly has a Hunter feel also...there might not be a lineman left from last year....going to be some battles.

stephen weatherly was developed as a zimmer system player...he's got hunter measurables, too - and he ran a 4.61/40...i think that he's better than his stats....

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We're not going to have worry about playing Zimmer ball with 1-8 point leads, we're going to be comfortably be up in a lot of them.

Fire power and a stout defense. We're going to kill it this year.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

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Would you say this is the best collection of CBs that Zimmer has had in his tenure? It actually may be Dline, DB, and LB corps best of all three that he has had.

Something the Twins have done once the last 5 years....address all weaknesses in an offseason.

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Would you say this is the best collection of CBs that Zimmer has had in his tenure? It actually may be Dline, DB, and LB corps best of all three that he has had.
Something the Twins have done once the last 5 years....address all weaknesses in an offseason.

Spielman and Zimmer are looking pretty good relative to the Twins brain trust.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

Since mid-April, it's been open for everyone.

At this point, like twinsfan said, he can choose his manufacturer. And probably get a shot same day.

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I don't understand why Patterson is thought overrated on this site (and others).

Bill posted all those drafted. Obenigbo, Stephen, Weatherly were all 7 rounders who got second contracts with other teams (didn't we draft weatherly and stephen in the 7th rounds?). That's pretty phenomenal. Hunter to all pro. Griffin - I personally believe, was helped by Patterson.

Floyd was the only first or second round draft pick while Patterson's been here. True we've signed several guys, but only Joseph for relatively big money. Not other position group has gotten less $ and draft capital (without looking it up - maybe RBs?). And other than last year we've had very good DL.

I love Patterson, and I think he deserves a lot of credit for Hunter's development. I look at it from the other side, too, that says probably Hunter would just as good, give or take, anywhere he played.

Love having both.

Patterson's greatest contribution to Hunter's success with the Vikings is that he lobbied for the Vikings to draft him in the first place. Patterson is a good position coach and a good judge of pass rushing talent, but Hunter was going to be Hunter no matter where he went. Coming out of college, he was a physical freak, who was a fast learner with a great work ethic. Just too good to not succeed. He was the youngest player in the draft by far and just needed time to develop.

Great point on Patterson being key to him drafted. I also think it says a lot that Weatherly said what he did about Patterson and wanting to come back. Sheldon Richardson wanting to come back is another example.

Work ethic, talent, etc are key. But I don't think anyone (EDIT: "anyone" is a little exaggerated to make the point) makes it in the NFL without the right coaching and right situation. Zimmer has been talking about 1 thing Hunter needs to do that will make him unstoppable. I think he made those comments after or during the 2019 season. He wouldn't say what.

Think Brady is GOAT if he gets draft elsewhere? I don't.

Sure, why not? Brady's success has a lot to do with his talent and work ethic more than coaching, imo.
Somewhere up above it was said of Hunter he was going to succeed with our coaching or someone else's.
Same with Brady. We're not talking a gulf between levels of coaching ability like it's high school. There should be some pretty talented coaches just about every where in the NFL.
Since I first game on this board, following the disaster of the end of the 98 season, I've always felt like too much credit is giving to coaching (ok, maybe Sherman is a bad example ;).
The level of wanting to succeed has to be out of this world when you get to this level.

I disagree to an extent. It's the nature vs nurture argument in human development. Coaching is also about scheme which is HUGE when it comes to success in the NFL. And I've seen too many coaches not succeed in the NFL to say there's parity at the NFL coaching level.

I'm not disregarding talent/desire/etc AT ALL. But I believe its a yin and yang scenario.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

How could someone living in America not know this?

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins on if he's been vaccinated: "I choose to keep my medical history private.''

#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins on if it's a competitive advantage for a team to have more vaccinated players: "I think people need to make their own decision and make the one that's best for them and their families.''

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

Since mid-April, it's been open for everyone.

At this point, like twinsfan said, he can choose his manufacturer. And probably get a shot same day.

I'm 62 and have diabetes. I chose to get the vaccine. Mid April was when the vaccine was made available to me. Then the month wait for the second shot. Then the is it 2 weeks for full efficacy?
There appears to be a credible concern regarding the vaccination causing myocarditis in people under 30. If somebody chooses not to get the vaccine I wouldn't call them idiots. However, they have to suffer the consequences of their choice.

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It is surprising that Cousins, Thielen and Harrison Smith all appear to have chosen not to get vaccinated for COVID. Even if they think it's not needed at all IMO they should get it to avoid the hassle. The only reason I would choose not to get the vaccine is if the side effects weren't worth the benefit.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins on if he's been vaccinated: "I choose to keep my medical history private.''

#Vikings QB Kirk Cousins on if it's a competitive advantage for a team to have more vaccinated players: "I think people need to make their own decision and make the one that's best for them and their families.''

This sounds a lot like a guy that refuses to get the vaccine and doesn't want to deal with any backlash.

JMO.

And I could be wrong.

Just what it sounds like to me.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

Since mid-April, it's been open for everyone.

At this point, like twinsfan said, he can choose his manufacturer. And probably get a shot same day.

I'm 62 and have diabetes. I chose to get the vaccine. Mid April was when the vaccine was made available to me. Then the month wait for the second shot. Then the is it 2 weeks for full efficacy?
There appears to be a credible concern regarding the vaccination causing myocarditis in people under 30. If somebody chooses not to get the vaccine I wouldn't call them idiots. However, they have to suffer the consequences of their choice.

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

Since mid-April, it's been open for everyone.





At this point, like twinsfan said, he can choose his manufacturer. And probably get a shot same day.

I'm 62 and have diabetes. I chose to get the vaccine. Mid April was when the vaccine was made available to me. Then the month wait for the second shot. Then the is it 2 weeks for full efficacy?
There appears to be a credible concern regarding the vaccination causing myocarditis in people under 30. If somebody chooses not to get the vaccine I wouldn't call them idiots. However, they have to suffer the consequences of their choice.

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For young men, the myocarditis data isn't strong enough to link it to the mRNA vaccines. In that population, the background rate of myocarditis is large enough that it's hard to confirm a small signal — that it'll take more data tells you it can't be a big effect. Example: if you'd expect 200 cases, and you see 220, that addition 20 might just be statistical noise. And 95% of the reported cases are extremely mild and resolve quickly. It's not a significant concern (about the mRNA vaccines).

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Well I sure hope Adam Thielen and Harrison Smith are prepared to wear masks all season. Idiots.

Has the vaccine been made available to all Americans yet?
They're young and healthy. They are probably on the bottom of the priority list for the vaccine.

Since mid-April, it's been open for everyone.

At this point, like twinsfan said, he can choose his manufacturer. And probably get a shot same day.

I'm 62 and have diabetes. I chose to get the vaccine. Mid April was when the vaccine was made available to me. Then the month wait for the second shot. Then the is it 2 weeks for full efficacy?
There appears to be a credible concern regarding the vaccination causing myocarditis in people under 30. If somebody chooses not to get the vaccine I wouldn't call them idiots. However, they have to suffer the consequences of their choice.

Stop this nonsense or move it to the right thread. This has occurred in 275 cases as of the date this was published (June 10th). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-cdc-says-heart-inflammation-cases-in-16-to-24-year-olds-higher-than-expected-after-second-shot.html

The % of this (without knowing the exact number of vaccines with second doses for that age bracket) is probably in the realm of .00000000000000000000000001%. And this is only after the second dose.

Same with the issues with clotting and women. Something like 350 cases in millions of does.

If you're a man, get the DNA shot or stop after the first shot (surprisingly effective after even 1 dose). If you're a woman get the mRNA shot.