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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 4:52:32 PM

Bill Jandro

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

But does Nwangwu talk about himself in the third person. That's what we really want to know.

Wasn't Bo Jackson the one that did that?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 5:03:53 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

But does Nwangwu talk about himself in the third person. That's what we really want to know.

Wasn't Bo Jackson the one that did that?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 5:12:00 PM

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Five Things to Know About New Vikings RB/KR Kene Nwangwu

#4 Nwangwu majored in mechanical engineering and was the 2020 Big 12 Scholar-Athlete of the Year.
- I suppose it's possible he might refer to himself in the 3rd person

#1 Speed to burn. Many draft experts considered Nwangwu among the fastest players in the entire 2021 draft class.

#2 A special teams star. He ranked third in the Big 12 and seventh nationally with an average at 28.9 yards per kickoff return in 2020 at Iowa State. He also recorded five returns of 30-plus yards, including two of 65 yards or longer.

#3 He's got fresh legs. Ok. He should, he was the back up running back. Huh?

#5 A Hidden gem? ... Nwangwu could surprise people in the NFL despite not having eye-popping offensive stats in college. Could.

https://www.vikings.com/news/kene-nwangwu-nfl-draft-5-things-to-know

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 6:52:28 PM

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#Vikings DT Jaylen Twyman cleared waivers, goes to reserve/non-football injury list. Out at least eight games. Not rushing recovery, per Zimmer: "Any time you’ve been shot four times, you’re going to be a little bit, what’s the word I’m looking for, maybe nervous about things."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 7:06:07 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

But does Nwangwu talk about himself in the third person. That's what we really want to know.

Wasn't Bo Jackson the one that did that?

Ricky Henderson

Rickey Henderson too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 7:30:32 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

It was a counter to the running style argument. Not implying whether Walker or Nwangwu will prove superior.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 7:31:01 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

But does Nwangwu talk about himself in the third person. That's what we really want to know.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 7:42:58 PM

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Not ready to count anyone from this draft class as can't make or can't miss. My eyebrows raised on the LB (who I'm very excited to see now) and the RB (who still causes me to raise my eyebrows) and my heart leapt at the OL and Mond (all of whom have traits/history that give great pause). I think Spielman et al did a really good job of filling holes, with the only possible void in the interior OL if none of the swings makes contact. Time will tell what we've got, but I'm excited to see.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 8:18:14 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Agree on Nwangwu. He really doesn't bring anything to the table.

Both Suratt and Dye are extremely athletic but neither will be able to play SSLB without getting swallowed up on running plays like Wilson did. IMO Barr's replacement isn't currently on the roster.

i agree with that...we're drafting a linebacker much earlier next year....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 8:23:47 PM

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Not ready to count anyone from this draft class as can't make or can't miss. My eyebrows raised on the LB (who I'm very excited to see now) and the RB (who still causes me to raise my eyebrows) and my heart leapt at the OL and Mond (all of whom have traits/history that give great pause). I think Spielman et al did a really good job of filling holes, with the only possible void in the interior OL if none of the swings makes contact. Time will tell what we've got, but I'm excited to see.

They can always move Darrisaw to G.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 8:30:46 PM

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Fun fact. Wyatt Davis' dad is the son of HOF Willie Davis and played Buster Douglas in Tyson, Bo Kimble in the Hank Gathers Story, and Joe Louis in a tv movie about Rocky Marciano.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 9:09:10 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Agree on Nwangwu. He really doesn't bring anything to the table.

Both Suratt and Dye are extremely athletic but neither will be able to play SSLB without getting swallowed up on running plays like Wilson did. IMO Barr's replacement isn't currently on the roster.

i agree with that...we're drafting a linebacker much earlier next year....

Hopefully there will be good value at the 32nd pick

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/27/2021 11:46:55 PM

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Agree on Nwangwu. He really doesn't bring anything to the table.

Both Suratt and Dye are extremely athletic but neither will be able to play SSLB without getting swallowed up on running plays like Wilson did. IMO Barr's replacement isn't currently on the roster.

i agree with that...we're drafting a linebacker much earlier next year....

The three-down/nickel LB may well be on the roster, though. The bigger LB probably should be the one that comes off the field for another DB in today's NFL. Also, I don't see drafting a LB "much earlier" than the front end of the third round.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 3:50:13 AM

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it wouldn't shock me if somehow barr ended up staying beyond this season....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 8:58:13 AM

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Twyman cleared waivers and is now on the Vikings Non Football Injury list. He's still a Viking and his NFL story will continue with us.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 8:58:57 AM

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it wouldn't shock me if somehow barr ended up staying beyond this season....

It just doesn't seem like his time here will ever come to an end.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 9:39:00 AM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 10:22:43 AM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 10:46:07 AM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

Mike Zimmer how did you get access to Sween's account and what have you done with him?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 4:19:55 PM 1 votes

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

Exactly. There ain't no stat for breaking the opposing QBs collarbone.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 4:21:13 PM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

Exactly. There ain't no stat for breaking the opposing QBs collarbone.

Actually there is. I think Barr's career stat in that category is 1.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 5:48:59 PM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

Exactly. There ain't no stat for breaking the opposing QBs collarbone.

Actually there is. I think Barr's career stat in that category is 1.

Tied with Browner then, oh wait that was multiple leg fractures.

On the NCAA side, Peterson also has 1 for the collarbone. Collegiate career ender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MErNtJF_PxA

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 8:30:07 PM

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We'll want to retain Barr when he'll be in the running for DPOTY. First team All Pro.

The problem in trying to assess Barr is that a lot of the positive things he does on the field don't show up on stat sheets. A lot of it is in what other teams don't try to do because he is out there.

Exactly. There ain't no stat for breaking the opposing QBs collarbone.

Actually there is. I think Barr's career stat in that category is 1.

Technically there is a stat for that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/28/2021 9:52:33 PM

Ricky J

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I haven't always enjoyed Patrick Reusse but I did this one on Sid's Training Camp optimism.

https://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/29/2021 4:20:09 PM

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Here's video released yesterday that first of all confirms that the Vikings would have drafted Darrisaw at 14. Right before we picked the Jets called with an offer too good to pass up. You seldom see such candid information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RanDVlM_dIE

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