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Lawd!


Last year's special teams were dismal, ranking average, at best, in key categories like:
kick return average (16th),
punt return average (last),
punt coverage (23rd),
kick coverage (24th),
field goal percentage (last), and
extra-point percentage (29th).

Only direction one can go from here is UP!

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-training-camp-position-preview-special-teams/600081285/

In many cases your best special teams guys are also your backups I think we had more than our share that got pushed into regular duty which meant that lesser guys manned their spots on special teams

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Arif Hasan, off-season edition Palm tree @ArifHasanNFL 37m

It's ****ed up how cool this is. Truly disturbing

https://twitter.com/ArifHasanNFL/status/1419318477391896580?s=20

If you've got Twitter you need to check out this link

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Legally I doubt they can.

But they can make it extremely difficult on people who don't.

Its like here in Vegas. If you're a card dealer or a stripper you don't HAVE to get a vaccination. But if you don't, you need to be tested before every shift. And that's on your dime.

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Legally I doubt they can.

But they can make it extremely difficult on people who don't.

Its like here in Vegas. If you're a card dealer or a stripper you don't HAVE to get a vaccination. But if you don't, you need to be tested before every shift. And that's on your dime.

What if I’m both?

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

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I doubt this firing will have much (if any) negative effect on the Vikings performance this season. Heck there's probably an OK chance that it HELPS a bit. In 2020 the dude was like 'Let's start Dozier and Elflien. Elf's hurt? Put Samia in.'

Another Donald Trump casualty.

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Vikings and OL coach Rick Dennison have reached an agreement that allows him to remain with the team, per source.

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Vikings and OL coach Rick Dennison have reached an agreement that allows him to remain with the team, per source.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
ICYMI: The Vikings placed rookie kicker Riley Patterson on the PUP list yesterday. That leaves Greg Joseph as the only kicker when Minnesota opens camp Wednesday. Given these circumstances and the inexperience among Patterson (rookie)/Joseph (last kicked in a game in '19), it seems reasonable to think the Vikings will aim to bring in a veteran with more experience to create a kicking competition in the coming weeks. We haven't had one of those in Minnesota since training camp in 2019.

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Aaron Rodgers has arrived at Lambeau Field.

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

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Vikings and OL coach Rick Dennison have reached an agreement that allows him to remain with the team, per source.

DAMN! I was hoping his vaccine stupidity would force the Vikings to do what they should have done over his gross incompetence.

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i have to say, watching highlights of Westbrook and smith-marsette - ihmir looks like the better product...more confident, aggressive, willing, faster - better at every level...i think we needed another receiver so i'm happy with the pick up of Westbrook for the price, but ihmir is the man....

no way beebe makes the final 53...keep johnson, and chisena if we really need his st play....

kene nwangwu was a wasted pick - he'll never be an nfl rb and he won't translate into a top nfl kick returner...Abdullah is much more valuable as a 3rd down option and we don't need four rb's....

pierce, Tomlinson, richardson and watts at dt...weatherly moves inside on passing downs...everyone else goes....

surratt or dye might work as barr's replacement next year, but eric wilson was a better athlete than both of those guys, but like Wilson they can't get off blocks to play the run...we need a physical presence as our 'base' linebacker - vigil stays and connelly goes to the practice squad to replace vigil if needed....

Nwangwu has measurables similar to Jerrick McKinnon. Maybe he develops, maybe not, but they can watch him for a couple years.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kene-nwangwu

A faster Jerrick McKinnon. I don't get what convinces Rat that he won't be good at returning kicks. I'm expecting him to be good at it.

to me, nwangwu doesn't look like a natural football runner - he runs too upright and doesn't have the shiftiness to make tacklers miss...runs through big holes and uses his straight-line speed for big plays...doesn't set up special team tacklers and/or manipulate them the way a cordarrelle patterson does on kickoffs returns....

mckinnon is not as fast, but more shifty...also, nwangwu only had 744 total rushing yards and 7 receptions over four years in college - and he played in games every year....

i don't see nwangwu with any upside - he's not a mckinnon type....

Rat thanks for responding. He didn't get a lot of carries, but he averaged 5.7 YPC IIRC. Herschel Walker had almost no shiftiness and ran upright, but used his straight line speed and was a very good kick returner. I think Nwangwu will be good time will tell.

Ay Caramba!

That's your argument? 'Hershel Walker good ... therefore ... Nwangwu good too.'

But does Nwangwu talk about himself in the third person. That's what we really want to know.