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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....

Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?

dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?

it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)

the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

The weird thing is Colquitt getting released yesterday under a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement to help the team so they could hold an open roster spot, then he was resigned this morning, then he was let go again this afternoon.

Its a business yes but that seems kind of cold to me.

the weird thing is that colquitt knew he’d be hired and fired the next day, but didn’t mind because $50k of his new deal was guaranteed and he needed to clean out his locker anyway….

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....

Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?

dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?

it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)

the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

The weird thing is Colquitt getting released yesterday under a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement to help the team so they could hold an open roster spot, then he was resigned this morning, then he was let go again this afternoon.

Its a business yes but that seems kind of cold to me.

the weird thing is that colquitt knew he’d be hired and fired the next day, but didn’t mind because $50k of his new deal was guaranteed and he needed to clean out his locker anyway….

Is this true? Source?

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.

They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.

Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.

And if Cousins goes down, instead of giving Mond valuable experience, you know Mannion will start.

The situation is survivable ... if PS Mannion is here to replace Browning as the #3 ... and maybe a desperation fall back if #2 Mond proves that he's not ready ...

Maybe that would make no difference in the losing column but at least Mond would get some exposure first.

It doesn't help that Spielman and Mannion gave eachother a nosebleed in their rush to get back together. You know, show a little dignity.

Spielman (to Mannion's agent): So so sorry, we heard Sean got cut by SEA about 5 minutes ago. What a travesty. We've been keeping an eye on the situation. Do you think he would have any interest in us?
Mannion's agent: Maybe. We are just getting off the plane here in Minneapolis. We'll call you in 5 minutes.

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....

Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
15h
A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?

dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?

it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)

the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

The weird thing is Colquitt getting released yesterday under a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement to help the team so they could hold an open roster spot, then he was resigned this morning, then he was let go again this afternoon.

Its a business yes but that seems kind of cold to me.

the weird thing is that colquitt knew he’d be hired and fired the next day, but didn’t mind because $50k of his new deal was guaranteed and he needed to clean out his locker anyway….

Is this true? Source?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.

It's been well documented that every Vikings starting quarterback through time has been or is emotionally incapable of dealing when the Vikings have a capable backup

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.

They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

Thank you. It seems like a load of mularkey to me.

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Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

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Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

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Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

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ORIGINAL: beo

Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

If you are the QB, you are the leader of the team on offense. If your QB is not taking every precaution to take care of himself and his team, they aren't showing much in the way of leadership qualities.

Does that make sense?

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ORIGINAL: beo

Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

If you are the QB, you are the leader of the team on offense. If your QB is not taking every precaution to take care of himself and his team, they aren't showing much in the way of leadership qualities.

Does that make sense?

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ORIGINAL: beo

Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

If you are the QB, you are the leader of the team on offense. If your QB is not taking every precaution to take care of himself and his team, they aren't showing much in the way of leadership qualities.

Does that make sense?

Nobody is going to dispute that a team leader or starting QB not getting vaccinated is poor leadership.

It's a poor decision, for sure.

For those whose all-consuming life work is spent tearing Cousins down to a completely flawed one-dimensional cartoon villain, its great mud to wiggle around in and enjoy.

For some of us that see human beings as complex combinations of good and bad and just want to see their team win ... its just a real poor decision that may have bad consequences ... and dam we're looking forward to seeing our new punter.

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ORIGINAL: beo

Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

If you are the QB, you are the leader of the team on offense. If your QB is not taking every precaution to take care of himself and his team, they aren't showing much in the way of leadership qualities.

Does that make sense?

Sure does.

QB A is all in on team and winning a SB

QB B is all in on me

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There is a very good reason to have good backups. Most recent example was when Teddy hurt his knee and Sean Hill was the only backup. Cost us a first rounder. Denny always had at least one and most times two good backups.

Warren Moon Brad
RC Brad Fiedler
RC Jeff George
Dante Bubby Boumann

Injuries happen. Been lucky with Kirk

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There is a very good reason to have good backups. Most recent example was when Teddy hurt his knee and Sean Hill was the only backup. Cost us a first rounder. Denny always had at least one and most times two good backups.

Warren Moon Brad
RC Brad Fiedler
RC Jeff George
Dante Bubby Boumann

Injuries happen. Been lucky with Kirk

Does anybody think having a good back up is a bad decision?

The problem is, weak-minded fans like myself want a back-up that can step in and perform adequately. Not just be an extra coach on the sidelines.

Spielman seems to prefer backups that provide a good support system for the starter ... irregardless of playing ability. IMO.

I don't think Mannion is a'heck of a player'. He might be a heck of practicer ... I wouldn't know that but sometimes I think coaches over-value their contribution to player performance – i.e., they prefer someone that trots onto the field and implements coaching to perfection more than someone with a knack for getting it done with or without 'the plan'.

Courtney Cronin
@CourtneyRCronin
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Vikings OC Klint Kubiak with a strong endorsement of Sean Mannion: "Mentally, there’s very few guys I’ve been around as bright as him. The way he sees the game, the way he communicates with the coaches, he’s an extra coach on the field on top of being a heck of a player."

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There is a very good reason to have good backups. Most recent example was when Teddy hurt his knee and Sean Hill was the only backup. Cost us a first rounder. Denny always had at least one and most times two good backups.

Warren Moon Brad
RC Brad Fiedler
RC Jeff George
Dante Bubby Boumann

Injuries happen. Been lucky with Kirk

Does anybody think having a good back up is a bad decision?

The problem is, weak-minded fans like myself want a back-up that can step in and perform adequately. Not just be an extra coach on the sidelines.

Spielman seems to prefer backups that provide a good support system for the starter ... irregardless of playing ability. IMO.

I don't think Mannion is a'heck of a player'. He might be a heck of practicer ... I wouldn't know that but sometimes I think coaches over-value their contribution to player performance – i.e., they prefer someone that trots onto the field and implements coaching to perfection more than someone with a knack for getting it done with or without 'the plan'.

Courtney Cronin
@CourtneyRCronin
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Vikings OC Klint Kubiak with a strong endorsement of Sean Mannion: "Mentally, there’s very few guys I’ve been around as bright as him. The way he sees the game, the way he communicates with the coaches, he’s an extra coach on the field on top of being a heck of a player."

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.

True, but the underlying logic for that is and I was has been that bringing in a competitive backup will make our starter nervous.

They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

Thank you. It seems like a load of mularkey to me.

Again, the current conversation was never about Cousins being able to handle competition from a decent backup.

The conversation was about the regime always choosing non-competitive backups.

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ORIGINAL: beo

Bucs 100% vaxxed... imagine that.

Think ole Tom put the word out?

Your QBs leadership seems to make a lot of difference.

100% agree.

Right!

Tom has everything to do with the Bucs getting 100% - good for them

And Kirk is the cause of the Vikings having terrible numbers.

Freekin' Kirk is such an asshole!

- heavy sigh

If you are the QB, you are the leader of the team on offense. If your QB is not taking every precaution to take care of himself and his team, they aren't showing much in the way of leadership qualities.

Does that make sense?

Nobody is going to dispute that a team leader or starting QB not getting vaccinated is poor leadership.

It's a poor decision, for sure.

For those whose all-consuming life work is spent tearing Cousins down to a completely flawed one-dimensional cartoon villain, its great mud to wiggle around in and enjoy.

For some of us that see human beings as complex combinations of good and bad and just want to see their team win ... its just a real poor decision that may have bad consequences ... and dam we're looking forward to seeing our new punter.

I come in here because I am a fan of the Vikings and this is a Vikings forum to discuss the good and bad of the team. Outside of that, I cold care less about what Cousins does with his life or how complex of a human being he is.