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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 1:15:32 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 1:25:21 PM   
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It could be said that Kirk was motivated by the talented, but unhealthy RGIII.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 1:30:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 1:40:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 1:54:19 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.


And if Cousins goes down, instead of giving Mond valuable experience, you know Mannion will start.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:07:31 PM   
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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:16:19 PM   
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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
15h
A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:16:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.

Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.

And if Cousins goes down, instead of giving Mond valuable experience, you know Mannion will start.

Exactly. There is no logic to it on any level.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:20:28 PM   
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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
15h
A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)


Yup.

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Vikings are expected to sign former Steelers’ punter Jordan Berry, per sources. They cannot officially make the move until later this afternoon.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:29:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
15h
A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)


Yup.

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Vikings are expected to sign former Steelers’ punter Jordan Berry, per sources. They cannot officially make the move until later this afternoon.

Not sure why we didn't look at Thomas Morestead. We just held an NFL free agent kicking combine at our school about 3 weeks ago and the guy looked amazing. Bomb after Bomb. The guy has averaged 46.5 for his career.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:33:58 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:45:56 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.


And if Cousins goes down, instead of giving Mond valuable experience, you know Mannion will start.

The situation is survivable ... if PS Mannion is here to replace Browning as the #3 ... and maybe a desperation fall back if #2 Mond proves that he's not ready ...

Maybe that would make no difference in the losing column but at least Mond would get some exposure first.

It doesn't help that Spielman and Mannion gave eachother a nosebleed in their rush to get back together. You know, show a little dignity.

Spielman (to Mannion's agent): So so sorry, we heard Sean got cut by SEA about 5 minutes ago. What a travesty. We've been keeping an eye on the situation. Do you think he would have any interest in us?
Mannion's agent: Maybe. We are just getting off the plane here in Minneapolis. We'll call you in 5 minutes.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:50:07 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

This has nothing to do with Cousins.

It has been spelled out emphatically in black and white ... by multiple posters ... the issue is with Spielman's approach to the position.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:54:57 PM   
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I'm assuming Mannion is vaccinated(since they signed him).

So, if Mannion comes down with Covid during the week, Mond(even though unvaccinated) should be clear to do whatever since he has the natural antibodies of the Delta variant.

Cousins (even if testing negative) would again be put on a Covid list that prevents him from playing the next Sunday.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 2:59:48 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

This has nothing to do with Cousins.

It has been spelled out emphatically in black and white ... by multiple posters ... the issue is with Spielman's approach to the position.

Speilman's approach to the position has been pretty aggressive(Bradford trade, Keenum, Cousins trade, Mond pick).

People just don't like the players he picked up.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 3:16:33 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

This has nothing to do with Cousins.

It has been spelled out emphatically in black and white ... by multiple posters ... the issue is with Spielman's approach to the position.

Speilman's approach to the position has been pretty aggressive(Bradford trade, Keenum, Cousins trade, Mond pick).

People just don't like the players he picked up.


Aggressive for his starter.

But was Keenum the last semi-viable back-up we've had?

And even then, Keenum had never really done anything and signed with us for 2M with only half of that being guaranteed.

If I had to guess, I'd say its a lot less about Cousins ego and a lot more about Zimmer not wanting to deal with any kind of QB controversy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 3:19:04 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

This has nothing to do with Cousins.

It has been spelled out emphatically in black and white ... by multiple posters ... the issue is with Spielman's approach to the position.

Speilman's approach to the position has been pretty aggressive(Bradford trade, Keenum, Cousins trade, Mond pick).

People just don't like the players he picked up.

The Back-up position. The conversation has simply been been about back-ups. Not Bradford Cousins or any other starter, not Mond or any other draft pick.

And really, directed at why Spielman would re-employ Mannion.

Keenum would be the exception to the back-up rule although he far exceeded all expectations – including the regime's (if you believe Zimmer).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 3:24:08 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).

Where did this narrative come from that Cousins would get his panties in a bunch if the Vikings ever had a good backup QB. He has never given any inkling of this and was very supportive of the Vikings drafting Mond.



They are attributing something associated with Christian Ponder to Kirk Cousins. remember how they didn't want to bring in competition for Ponder because he couldn't handle it?

I haven't seen a thing about Cousins needing shit behind him to remain confident.

To me if he does have a problem with competition for his job, then he shouldn't be in the NFL

This has nothing to do with Cousins.

It has been spelled out emphatically in black and white ... by multiple posters ... the issue is with Spielman's approach to the position.

Speilman's approach to the position has been pretty aggressive(Bradford trade, Keenum, Cousins trade, Mond pick).

People just don't like the players he picked up.

The Back-up position. The conversation has simply been been about back-ups. Not Bradford Cousins or any other starter, not Mond or any other draft pick.

And really, directed at why Spielman would re-employ Mannion.

Keenum would be the exception to the back-up rule although he far exceeded all expectations – including the regime's (if you believe Zimmer).

Okay.

I agree. Mannion shouldn't be on any roster. Maybe one of those Indoor leagues.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 5:38:36 PM   
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Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)



the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 5:49:43 PM   
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At least we put Mannion on Practice Squad.

Mond will be backup on Game Day. Unless there is a Covid deal or Cousins is out with a long term injury. Then we have to activate Mannion to 53.

I believe Mond will fall under vaccinated protocols for 90 days dating back to when he recovered from Covid at the begining of TC.

Edit: Nvrmd I see you covered that in a following post.

< Message edited by Bill Jandro -- 9/2/2021 5:55:45 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 5:51:30 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.

Or as the janitor.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 5:56:20 PM   
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The second coming of Sean Mannion. Fool me once …

As Levine has pointed out, its just Spielman’s MO … to put the most non-threatening person possible behind the QB starter. Its a declaration of negative nincompoopism - Cousins looking over his shoulder is much worse than forfeiting the season should he go down. Fortunately, Cousins has this weird nerdy elasticism going on like Gumby … so that probably won’t happen.

For any other season, its a no-ballsy trade-off … with a non-vaxxer starter, its almost begging for, at the least, a four game slide (or whatever the Covid protocols demand for possible exposure).


Mannion is the ultimate Spielman/Zimmer back-up QB.

1. Completely non-threatening to Cousins because he's not an NFL caliber player.
2. Bad enough that even if Cousins struggles, the fans won't call for him.
3. Because he's older and been around the league (including with us), Zimmer has an irrational level of confidence in him if we need him.

They say he's good in the QB room -- maybe he's a Windex wizard and can keep Kirk's plexiglass clean.


Then hire him as an assistant coach.

I can't imagine a more pointless signing. If Cousins goes down, he isn't going to lead the Vikings to anything, except offensive futility.


And if Cousins goes down, instead of giving Mond valuable experience, you know Mannion will start.

The situation is survivable ... if PS Mannion is here to replace Browning as the #3 ... and maybe a desperation fall back if #2 Mond proves that he's not ready ...

Maybe that would make no difference in the losing column but at least Mond would get some exposure first.

It doesn't help that Spielman and Mannion gave eachother a nosebleed in their rush to get back together. You know, show a little dignity.

Spielman (to Mannion's agent): So so sorry, we heard Sean got cut by SEA about 5 minutes ago. What a travesty. We've been keeping an eye on the situation. Do you think he would have any interest in us?
Mannion's agent: Maybe. We are just getting off the plane here in Minneapolis. We'll call you in 5 minutes.



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 5:56:22 PM   
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Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)



the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

The weird thing is Colquitt getting released yesterday under a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement to help the team so they could hold an open roster spot, then he was resigned this morning, then he was let go again this afternoon.

Its a business yes but that seems kind of cold to me.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 6:33:18 PM   
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Never mind: Vikings punter Britton Colquitt was at practice today and was on an updated roster (I had an old version from yesterday). His re-signing was just not announced by the team.


i think that spielman managed to squeeze a couple hundred grand of cap space out of colquitt's original deal with an overnight cut and resign...every dollar counts....


Its possible we saved money, but it was really about the roster spot:

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
15h
A savvy reader explained Britton Colquitt move #Vikings had to clear roster spot for Herndon by 3 pm today They couldn't put guys on 3-game IR til 3:01 pm So they release Colquitt for spot & he'll re-sign Thurs Then after 3:01 IRs of Smith Nwangwu Chisena they ink Griffen DePaola

Did we have to absorb the 1.7 million dead cap hit to do this?


dead cap $700k - new deal $1m....

Thanks, but this is still confusing to me. Did doing this cost us salary cap, save us salary cap or was it a wash?


it looks like a wash...originally colquitt's breakdown for 2021 was $1m salary and $700k signing bonus...after spielman cut and rehired colquitt it became $1m salary and the $700k disappeared from the signing bonus column and moved to the dead cap part of the ledger....

the weird thing is that before spielman cut colquitt there was $2.5m in the dead cap column - that now reads $1m....

The weird thing is we are signing the Steelers former punter this afternoon so Colquitt gone.. (Jordan Berry)



the weird thing is spielman...in an alternate life rick spielman was the dude playing the shell game on a folding table in front of the nightclub at closing time....

The weird thing is Colquitt getting released yesterday under a wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement to help the team so they could hold an open roster spot, then he was resigned this morning, then he was let go again this afternoon.

Its a business yes but that seems kind of cold to me.



the weird thing is that colquitt knew he’d be hired and fired the next day, but didn’t mind because $50k of his new deal was guaranteed and he needed to clean out his locker anyway….

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/2/2021 6:56:41 PM   
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Has any player been cut twice in consecutive days by the same team?

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