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that loss in cincinnati is on zimmer and spielman...how can a gm be so incredibly phucking dumb as to watch his o-line fail season after season and do nothing productive to fix it?...how can a meat-head caveman head coach run the same failed plays over and over again...how can he think that it's okay not to dress rehearse your starting team in the preseason at least one quarter in each game?....

if managed properly, the Vikings would have beaten the bengals by 17 points last Sunday - but we're just too lost as an organization to execute that into reality....

Can't argue with this. Couple that with a perrennial brutal oline makes it tough to watch.

Most of the things this regime does make little sense. Esp signing Cousins (a qb that needs max protect) and you continue to go cheap on the oline. Paying Cousins that much money is one thing, but not protect that investment was like doubling down on stupid.

They invested 2 firsts and 2 seconds and a third in the most recent drafts....not sure I agree that they aren't investing in oline...I would say that Spielman was late to the party on investing but they have invested heavily recently on Oline.

If you draft a Bradbury #1 and he’s not working out, you don’t credit for that investment UNLESS you react to the bad pick by signing competition / someone better. If you draft a Cleveland 2nd and plug him into G where he’s struggling, you are not optimizing your draft pick. If you draft a Darrisaw #1 and he misses training camp / start of season and all you do is fall back on backups instead of signing or trading for competition / someone better [than Hill Brandel] … you have not adequately addressed the line.

You don’t get credit for spending capital - no matter how much - if the product sucks.

That isn't what was said...rapto said they went cheap on Oline. 2nd and 1st round picks aren't cheap; the new contract to O'Neal isn't cheap.

Getting Davis and Darrisaw playing asap is the key to improving the line. If Bradburry is the weak link even as a 1st rounder get rid of him but I give him somewhat of a pass until you get Davis in there and Darrisaw at LT.

Darrisaw was supposed to be healthy and soon will be...Davis will be in soon too. Long season.

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that loss in cincinnati is on zimmer and spielman...how can a gm be so incredibly phucking dumb as to watch his o-line fail season after season and do nothing productive to fix it?...how can a meat-head caveman head coach run the same failed plays over and over again...how can he think that it's okay not to dress rehearse your starting team in the preseason at least one quarter in each game?....

if managed properly, the Vikings would have beaten the bengals by 17 points last Sunday - but we're just too lost as an organization to execute that into reality....

Can't argue with this. Couple that with a perrennial brutal oline makes it tough to watch.

Most of the things this regime does make little sense. Esp signing Cousins (a qb that needs max protect) and you continue to go cheap on the oline. Paying Cousins that much money is one thing, but not protect that investment was like doubling down on stupid.

They invested 2 firsts and 2 seconds and a third in the most recent drafts....not sure I agree that they aren't investing in oline...I would say that Spielman was late to the party on investing but they have invested heavily recently on Oline.

If you draft a Bradbury #1 and he’s not working out, you don’t credit for that investment UNLESS you react to the bad pick by signing competition / someone better. If you draft a Cleveland 2nd and plug him into G where he’s struggling, you are not optimizing your draft pick. If you draft a Darrisaw #1 and he misses training camp / start of season and all you do is fall back on backups instead of signing or trading for competition / someone better [than Hill Brandel] … you have not adequately addressed the line.

You don’t get credit for spending capital - no matter how much - if the product sucks.

That isn't what was said...rapto said they went cheap on Oline. 2nd and 1st round picks aren't cheap; the new contract to O'Neal isn't cheap.

Getting Davis and Darrisaw playing asap is the key to improving the line. If Bradburry is the weak link even as a 1st rounder get rid of him but I give him somewhat of a pass until you get Davis in there and Darrisaw at LT.

Darrisaw was supposed to be healthy and soon will be...Davis will be in soon too. Long season.

Sure, nothing is written in stone / its only game one ... Bradbury can stabilize, Darrisaw get healthy AND be a player this year, Davis can look like a sure starter in waiting or even press to start. Hill, Cleveland and Udoh can settle down.

All possible but all more wishful thinking than expectation. Is that how you want your GM and coaching staff operating? Hoping things will fall into place as you go along ...

Once again with this regime ... we have gone through a full offseason and ended up with a worse OL than the bad OL from the previous season.

Our solution to last year's atrocity (as of Wed 09-15-2021) was to let Reiff walk, have Cleveland switch sides, keep Bradbury at C, and fill LT and RG with back-ups.

I addressed the main point, you just haven't grasped it yet.

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I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient.

Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key.

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I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient.

Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key.

That's pretty fair... there would be a lot less angst if EITHER Darrisaw or Davis were playing.

Personally frustrated because
1) we didn't sign a FA guard
2) Darrisaw isn't playing and the recent rumors on his timeline are not encouraging
3) I have ZERO faith Davis will get any playing time unless someone gets hurt... that just seems to be this regimes M.O.

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I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient.

Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key.

That's pretty fair... there would be a lot less angst if EITHER Darrisaw or Davis were playing.

Personally frustrated because
1) we didn't sign a FA guard
2) Darrisaw isn't playing and the recent rumors on his timeline are not encouraging
3) I have ZERO faith Davis will get any playing time unless someone gets hurt... that just seems to be this regimes M.O.

Udoh development has me pissed....clearly he was nearly equal to Dozier last year with a higher floor. Davis will happen as he looked good preseason but I believe a Guard as more assignments to learn than a tackle. Darrisaw no idea.

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that loss in cincinnati is on zimmer and spielman...how can a gm be so incredibly phucking dumb as to watch his o-line fail season after season and do nothing productive to fix it?...how can a meat-head caveman head coach run the same failed plays over and over again...how can he think that it's okay not to dress rehearse your starting team in the preseason at least one quarter in each game?....

if managed properly, the Vikings would have beaten the bengals by 17 points last Sunday - but we're just too lost as an organization to execute that into reality....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient.

Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key.

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I was hoping to see more positive posts with the Vikings in 1st place.

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I was hoping to see more positive posts with the Vikings in 1st place.

Just be glad there aren't more negative posts with the Vikings in last place...

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I was hoping to see more positive posts with the Vikings in 1st place.

Just be glad there aren't more negative posts with the Vikings in last place...

The amazing thing is, the Lions may have had the most impressive performance.

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them.

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them.

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them.

Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ...

I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron.

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reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered....

this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to....

obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead....

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them.

Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ...

I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron.

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The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won.

I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them.

Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ...

I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron.

Negative = what the product delivers. The product delivers plenty of negative fuel and two playoff wins (1 a fluke) IMO is garbage this many years in. I honestly think long term the best result is a 0 to 3 win season. Blow it up, blow it all up.

Speilman keeps overpaying linebackers and safeties in an era where you need DB's and pass rushers.

He can't figure out how to build an OLine and that's pretty important when you commit to a QB that isn't exactly Mahomes when it comes to mobility and improvisation.

None of it makes sense to me.

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reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered....

this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to....

obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead....

KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer.