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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

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ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

28-0!!

We have a long history of letting the good coaches get away.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well I don't think Everson Griffen will ever be back. He tweeted (then deleted):

@vikings Kirk cousins is ass. Thank you.

Ask Zimmer if he wanted Kirk?????

He will tell you the truth??? Who wanted Kirk cousins???? Take your guess???

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

11 organizations have won Superbowls since the Wilfs bought the team.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well I don't think Everson Griffen will ever be back. He tweeted (then deleted):

@vikings Kirk cousins is ass. Thank you.

Ask Zimmer if he wanted Kirk?????

He will tell you the truth??? Who wanted Kirk cousins???? Take your guess???

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Lost a lot of respect for Griff if he did indeed tweet that. He does have a history of going off the rails.

It's his opinion and it isn't a unique take but to go on social media and slam your former teammate like that, is simply crass. Maybe he should look at his own pedestrian season that has found him in Detroit.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

28-0!!

We have a long history of letting the good coaches get away.

Mike Tomlin with an absolute masterclass tonight. He's a good Tuesday to Saturday coach but his gameday decisions are atrocious.

Not going for 2 to make it an 11 pt game, not going for it on 4th & 1 with all the momentum behind the team, not going for it on 4th & 8 in the first half when down 28 at the Browns 40. And above all else the Steelers come out totally flat in a big game once again.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Griff never should have tweeted that.

It's ancient history, besides when was Zimmer some QB guru? I never really heard Zimmer say what he "wants" with specifics. Zimmer tends to react after the fact, hell we can read this board and many others for PHD's in Monday Morning QB (self included).

When you are looking for that last big paycheck its best to keep your trap shut.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

That's a VERY specific criteria...

How would you say it compares to a HC with 2 division championship and a SB win in 5 seasons and an overall .531 record?

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

That's a VERY specific criteria...

How would you say it compares to a HC with 2 division championship and a SB win in 5 seasons and an overall .531 record?

It's a specific criteria because it is Zimmer's criteria. If very few organization's would accept that, then there must be at least one organization that dumped their HC with a demonstrably similar "mediocrity" criteria.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cower is one.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Andy Reid. But he drafted speed and stud QB.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cower is one.

Who's Bill Cower?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Andy Reid. But he drafted speed and stud QB.