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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/10/2021 10:25:09 PM

thebigo

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The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

11 organizations have won Superbowls since the Wilfs bought the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:22:27 AM

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28-0!!

We have a long history of letting the good coaches get away.

Mike Tomlin with an absolute masterclass tonight. He's a good Tuesday to Saturday coach but his gameday decisions are atrocious.

Not going for 2 to make it an 11 pt game, not going for it on 4th & 1 with all the momentum behind the team, not going for it on 4th & 8 in the first half when down 28 at the Browns 40. And above all else the Steelers come out totally flat in a big game once again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:26:21 AM

Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well I don't think Everson Griffen will ever be back. He tweeted (then deleted):

@vikings Kirk cousins is ass. Thank you.

Ask Zimmer if he wanted Kirk?????

He will tell you the truth??? Who wanted Kirk cousins???? Take your guess???

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Lost a lot of respect for Griff if he did indeed tweet that. He does have a history of going off the rails.

It's his opinion and it isn't a unique take but to go on social media and slam your former teammate like that, is simply crass. Maybe he should look at his own pedestrian season that has found him in Detroit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 4:14:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

11 organizations have won Superbowls since the Wilfs bought the team.

Only one changed hands AND won a super bowl since 2005, THe KC Chiefs.
And saying they “Changed hands” ia a technicality

Most teams have been in the same family for decades.

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 1/11/2021 4:20:08 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 7:08:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well I don't think Everson Griffen will ever be back. He tweeted (then deleted):

@vikings Kirk cousins is ass. Thank you.

Ask Zimmer if he wanted Kirk?????

He will tell you the truth??? Who wanted Kirk cousins???? Take your guess???

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Lost a lot of respect for Griff if he did indeed tweet that. He does have a history of going off the rails.

It's his opinion and it isn't a unique take but to go on social media and slam your former teammate like that, is simply crass. Maybe he should look at his own pedestrian season that has found him in Detroit.

Think before you push send.

Off his meds or..don't matter that was extremely unwise and may have cost him a chance to play anywhere next season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 7:52:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

28-0!!

We have a long history of letting the good coaches get away.

Mike Tomlin with an absolute masterclass tonight. He's a good Tuesday to Saturday coach but his gameday decisions are atrocious.

Not going for 2 to make it an 11 pt game, not going for it on 4th & 1 with all the momentum behind the team, not going for it on 4th & 8 in the first half when down 28 at the Browns 40. And above all else the Steelers come out totally flat in a big game once again.

They bought into the COVID hype....thought Cleveland would just roll over. Congrats to Cleveland for not doing that after all that hit them this week.

Pretty much every organization in the playoffs showed they deserved to be there....including Washington.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 8:28:44 AM

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Griff never should have tweeted that.

It's ancient history, besides when was Zimmer some QB guru? I never really heard Zimmer say what he "wants" with specifics. Zimmer tends to react after the fact, hell we can read this board and many others for PHD's in Monday Morning QB (self included).

When you are looking for that last big paycheck its best to keep your trap shut.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 11:18:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 11:31:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 11:38:04 AM

thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Griff never should have tweeted that.

It's ancient history, besides when was Zimmer some QB guru? I never really heard Zimmer say what he "wants" with specifics. Zimmer tends to react after the fact, hell we can read this board and many others for PHD's in Monday Morning QB (self included).

When you are looking for that last big paycheck its best to keep your trap shut.

The oblivious irony (oblivious to Griff) is that Zimmer apparently wanted Cousins more than he wanted Griff.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:14:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:24:19 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

That's a VERY specific criteria...

How would you say it compares to a HC with 2 division championship and a SB win in 5 seasons and an overall .531 record?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:29:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

That's a VERY specific criteria...

How would you say it compares to a HC with 2 division championship and a SB win in 5 seasons and an overall .531 record?

It's a specific criteria because it is Zimmer's criteria. If very few organization's would accept that, then there must be at least one organization that dumped their HC with a demonstrably similar "mediocrity" criteria.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:29:59 PM

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Think we should bring him back?

Everson Griffen
@EversonGriffen
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15m
@vikings
bring me home baby. I’m here to stay I’m safe as ****. Thank you

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:30:52 PM

Phil Riewer

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I would sign him up:

Dan Graziano
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27m
Per source, Doug Pederson is out in Philadelphia.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:31:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The biggest problem with this team seems to be at the top (Wilfs>Spielman>Zimmer). The short term solution would seem to be whatever changes the top. I'd like to see the Wilfs sell, since they don't seem up to the task of delivering a Super Bowl. Since that probably won't happen soon, whatever gets Spielman and Zimmer axed comes next. I say give Zimmer what he wants and then shit-can both when that doesn't work.

Run-first and control-but-don't-attack defense doesn't work in the NFL today, IMO. We've tried it, and it delivers 7-10 wins per year with outliers, but doesn't get close to the summit.

I am seriously curious what more the owners can do?

The team is not being led by someone cheap like the previous owner and the current owners of the Twins.

They've spent to improve facilities, upgrade to the best technology etc.

Is it just that they don't have a quick trigger on firing coaches that you don't like?

I guess I can understand that. I am ready to move on from RS and Zim. But they have success and then they they don't. Sometimes when you get ownership that meddles too much it is a detriment.

Quick trigger? Where Spielman and Zimmer are concerned, you can't even see quick trigger in the rear view mirror anymore. I would have settled for not giving them yet another 3 year extension. Very few organizations would tolerate this level of mediocrity for as many years as a the Wilf's have.

Can you tell us one organization who dumped a HC with 3 division championships in 7 seasons and an overall .576 winning record?

That's a VERY specific criteria...

How would you say it compares to a HC with 2 division championship and a SB win in 5 seasons and an overall .531 record?

It's a specific criteria because it is Zimmer's criteria. If very few organization's would accept that, then there must be at least one organization that dumped their HC with a demonstrably similar "mediocrity" criteria.

Plus Zimmer probably would be fired if the Vikes had gone 4-11-1 this year. At least I hope so.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:36:29 PM

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Pedersen met with the owner on vision for future.

Guessing they were not in agreement with QB direction. Possible one of the parties didn’t like either QB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:38:19 PM

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Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:45:22 PM

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Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cower is one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:45:36 PM

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Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cowher. 14th season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:45:43 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Andy Reid. But he drafted speed and stud QB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:46:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cower is one.

Who's Bill Cower?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:47:54 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Andy Reid. But he drafted speed and stud QB.

Zim is going to have to win the SB this (current) season to match Reid...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:49:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Bill Cower is one.

Who's Bill Cower?

He's a good dude.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/11/2021 1:53:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Has any head coach been with a team as long as Zimmer without winning a Super Bowl and did eventually?

Count me in the camp of “message gets old after a while and just time to move on”.

Andy Reid. But he drafted speed and stud QB.