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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:09:16 AM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

How soon everyone has forgotten when Allen poster-ized Anthony Barr by hurdling him while putting a daggar in the Vikes at home in a game we were favored by double digits.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:10:14 AM

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How does he do in the final two minutes? It's the only stat that matters. Cousins had the #30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. You can't be that bad and have any real expectations of a deep run in the playoffs.

The final two minutes is about leadership, charisma and moxy. He has very little of it.

Like clockwork - posting the same 2020 stat over and over again. What's the p value on that n sample when compared to his season and career?

Or even more relevant - compared to final two minutes for his career?

Perhaps reposting facts bothers your narrative...

What's my narrative?

What bothers me is it's a cherry picked stat that I don't even know if it's true that Brad uses to push his agenda. He's not even a Vikings fan.

It is the irony of Bill's post.

But - my position is and has been for the last year: Cousins is a fringe top 10 QB. I think very accurate and tough. The extension was a mistake and I wanted a QB drafted. I want any position upgraded, including QB, in the hopes of winning a championship.

I don't know if Cousins is slow in read progression or holds the ball too long - I don't know the play calls. I highly doubt Cousins is given audible freedom (which QB has been given that under Zimmer)?

Cousin's contract through this year is not the main reason we have cap issues. Highest it's been is 28 or 29 M, the rest of the years it's been in the low to mid 20s. Not much different than what Keenum would have cost. Next year and the year after is where we will be hurt with his contract. Our cap issues are bad extensions like Kyle and Barr. And Rhodes/Joseph falling off a cliff. The final issue is first round draft picks from 2016 to 2019 BOMBING (hoping Bradbury changes the narrative).

Cousins is not a top tier QB, he doesn't have the pocket awareness that Tom Brady (and others have).

I like Cousins more than some on this board and less than others. Our line has been terrible, and our playcalling predictable. It's a team sport and in the last 20 years or so, only 2 QBs have elevated their team to win a SB without a top 10 D and running game (if I remember right). Cousins will definitely never do that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:10:47 AM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

How soon everyone has forgotten when Allen poster-ized Anthony Barr by hurdling him while putting a daggar in the Vikes at home in a game we were favored by double digits.

Josh Allen is a star

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:10:58 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChBMdRDy7M

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:13:41 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a punishing man child.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:13:51 AM

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Doesn't look like a guy running out of bounds or getting down before contact to me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:17:23 AM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

So your Josh Allen led Fantasy Team caused this multiple page troll job? lol, I get it now....nothing to do within reason of actual Viking talk.

Put it on the fantasy thread.

Got a feeling Brad plays Strat-O-Matic Football.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:19:10 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChBMdRDy7M

Doesn't look like a guy running out of bounds or getting down before contact to me.

Prior to that day teams on the road that were 15 point + underdogs were 4-91 and none of the four won by more than seven points. We were down 27-0. It would have been worse if Allen's receivers hadn't dropped so many balls that hit them right in the hands. I was at that game and walked away thinking the Bills found themselves something special. Cousins had a very high completion percentage though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:19:44 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:20:11 AM

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Hey folks - I've got news for you. This IS Vikings talk. It's just not the type of Vikings talk you want apparently.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:22:30 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:23:09 AM

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Hey folks - I've got news for you. This IS Vikings talk. It's just not the type of Vikings talk you want apparently.

That is fine; we can talk about Brad's Fantasy Team and Strato Matic thoughts.....I will post they non cherry picked stats.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:26:55 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

That's what happens when you have a great leader that is respected by his teammates. Everyone else around him looks better. Was Cole Beasley a great player before showing up in Buffalo? How about Dawson Knox or Devin Singletary? Are those elite guys? Ever heard of Jon Feliciano, Dion Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse or Daryl Williams (BTW, that's his offensive line)?

A great player at quarterback makes everyone a star.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:49:44 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 10:58:09 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

That's what happens when you have a great leader that is respected by his teammates. Everyone else around him looks better. Was Cole Beasley a great player before showing up in Buffalo? How about Dawson Knox or Devin Singletary? Are those elite guys? Ever heard of Jon Feliciano, Dion Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse or Daryl Williams (BTW, that's his offensive line)?

A great player at quarterback makes everyone a star.

And great players around a QB, can make that QB a Star. It goes both ways.

We need a better Oline....then Cousins will look better.

These arguments are getting a bit....well...a bit like beating a dead horse.....

Cousins IS our QB. We have to live with that for at least this year. Unless some miracle happens and we somehow acquire someone better while off loading kirk. Don't like it all you want. Cousins is here to stay. at least for now.

How can we make it so he succeeds?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:01:14 AM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

Not how it works Brad. You want to make the argument, back it up or forfeit the point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:03:32 AM

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Cousins is in the 11-15 range in terms of QBs.

QBs I 100% put ahead of him:

Rodgers
Brady
Watson
Mahomes
Dak
Josh Allen
Russel Wilson

Rodgers is currently on strike.
Brady, for a single season.
Watson, if not for the massive scandal.
Mahomes, duh.
Dak, 80%. Jerry Jones of undervalues him for.. reasons. Plus let's see how he comes back from his injury.
Allen, I'd like to see another solid season before I'd place him firmly in this group, 80%.
Russel Wilson, for sure.

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QBs I 80% sure put ahead of him:

Tannehill
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Rapeyburger

Tannehill, I dunno. Flip.
I'd consider Jackson for the 100% group, but maybe chicken out and leave him here with Dak and Allen.
Herbert? On performance, no. On promise, maybe. He's not in the solid veteran group yet.
Rapeyburger, I don't trust him this much. Seems like he's teetering on the career-ending cliff. Flip at best.

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QBs I 60% sure put ahead of him:

Derek Carr
Matt Ryan
Kyler Murray

Drew Brees would have been in the 100% category but not in 2020.

Well, since Brees retired, it's hard to rank him higher than anyone.

Matt Ryan makes me shrug like Tannehill.
Derek Carr, push. I'd reluctantly include him in the solid veteran group with Tannehill, Ryan, and Cousins, I guess.
Kyler Murry, I'm tempted to go 80%. But that's maybe overweighting promise. So I guess 60%.

Stafford? I'd consider Stafford ahead of Cousins, at least the 60% group. The guy has had a solid career despite playing for Detroit!

Mayfield? He could improve markedly.

So I dunno. Cousins is in a cluster that maybe tops out around #10. But 3-4 of the top QBs him have major question marks. I wouldn't be surprised if his 2021 performance were rated anywhere from #6 to #14. Depends on who gets hot, injuries, coaching, and teammates.

I like your take on the take.

Ryan - Carr - Stafford - Cousins is a nice grouping outside of the top 10.

This should be a perfect post to end the back and forth..

Seems about right until one of them either steps forward or backward.

It was in my book ha!

Cousins turnovers are disconcerting. The fumbles. The wide lead in the number of picks to end halves.

He is what he is. The NFL is littered with good arm stat guys. Marino, Bledsoe, Jeff George, Moon, and on and on. But they are not leaders. Once in a great while a team with a Dilfer wins it all, but it's because the team had one or more overwhelming traits.

Cousins give the team a chance to be in the playoffs along with damn near half the league, but only if most all the other positions are hitting. Otherwise, close up shop early. And he will put butts in seats. That's about it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:04:39 AM

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Thru Week 10 last year:
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-worst-quarterbacks-situation-through-week-10-2020-season

Before the 2020 season:
5th best playaction QB

Kirk actually had 3 GW drives last year....same as TB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:08:36 AM

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And while the OL has been bad, he has had WRs that routinely bail out a QB. Diggs, Theilen, Jefferson are all top notch. Rudolph wasn't much but was a good safety valve and end zone guy. Cook is one of the league's best RBs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:08:58 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChBMdRDy7M

Doesn't look like a guy running out of bounds or getting down before contact to me.

Okay, that's one run 3 years ago. What about the 299 attempts? Just another cherry pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:11:58 AM

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How many fumbles actually occurred on rushing attempts? Otherwise, you're just combining 2 unrelated stats.

They are not unrelated at all. For some quarterbacks, the reward of running the football is worth the risk. If Cousins had the ability to run, he would. It's just another deficiency in his game. He can't run and he can't make plays in the final two minutes of halves.

Tom Brady can't run either. He had one lost fumble.
Philip Rivers, one.
Ben Roethlisberger, zero.

Why? Because they take care of the ball.

Unrelated and pointless. Quarterback runs end with the QB stepping out of bounds, crossing the goal line or hitting the deck before contact.

Are you saying Josh Allen, Taysom Hill, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray never got hit?

Never? No. Just not very often on running plays. QB's are trained to end the run before they get hit. Tell me how many of their fumbles came on runs.

I watched Josh Allen almost every play this season because he was my fantasy quarterback. The lion's share of his fumbles came when he was running. He doesn't duck anybody. He's a man child.

Provide the numbers for all the QB's you listed to support your argument.

No thank you. Innocent until proven guilty. You say I'm wrong. Prove it.

There is no guilt or innocence to prove here Brad. What you're saying is that you don't have enough faith in your argument to back it up. That's fine with me. You conceded the point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:15:06 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

Yep...but I will take Jefferson.

Diggs is always hot and cold. Remember the coaching philosophy change has as much to do with that as Cousins....Targets went way down, run the ball 50% of the time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:19:05 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

Yep...but I will take Jefferson.

Diggs is always hot and cold. Remember the coaching philosophy change has as much to do with that as Cousins....Targets went way down, run the ball 50% of the time.

No evidence he wanted out because of Cousins. I know it's popular refrain here, but his comments in Buffalo were complimentary of Cousins.

Easy to speculate on the lockerroom but none of us are a part of it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:19:12 AM

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It (QB fumbles while running) appears to be a difficult stat to go dig around for. And other claims are based more on the Mark 1 eyeball.

Wouldn't matter anyway because someone would claim it's another cherry picked stat.

People can claim cherry pick all they want, but when you start stringing like ones together they shouldn't ignore the picture that's painted.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 6/1/2021 11:23:46 AM

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Cherry pick a top 5 QB and think the spaghetti will stick to the wall.

Get Kirk a line first and the fumble numbers will improve. Josh Allen had a great year and when Kirk was younger he was top 5 in rushing and TDs many years but continued health now is more important. Josh Allen healthy is better than Josh Allen trying to be a man child.

There is a small window to win it all. I'll take man child for 5-7 years over a pussy for 12. If that's what helps the team win, go for it. Allen put up 45 total touchdowns last season and had his team in the AFC Championship. Not many saw that coming. Without his reckless nature, they may have never gotten that far.

Is running what is best for his future? Who am I to say? In fact, I don't give a damned. If he gets a title in Buffalo he'll be a living legend, whether he plays seven years or 12.

Buffalo had top 5-6 roster in the NFL. Not just Allen, FYI.

Part of that roster was a WR that wanted to go there - and leave ours.

Yep...but I will take Jefferson.

Diggs is always hot and cold. Remember the coaching philosophy change has as much to do with that as Cousins....Targets went way down, run the ball 50% of the time.

No evidence he wanted out because of Cousins. I know it's popular refrain here, but his comments in Buffalo were complimentary of Cousins.

Easy to speculate on the lockerroom but none of us are a part of it.

Easy to be complimentary after you've left. When Diggs was in MINNESOTA, he was critical of Cousins. Not insanely so but some. His brother was over the top. Remember those texts? Was he the spokesman for Stefon?

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